README FIRST: The Re-Reading Valiant Project

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:43 pm

The suit was designed to make the wearer of the control ring the dominant force. So even if Shanhara could absorb another alien essence to make it stronger as Ian suggests, then Aric would still be in control and rule the suit.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:46 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:The suit was designed to make the wearer of the control ring the dominant force. So even if Shanhara could absorb another alien essence to make it stronger as Ian suggests, then Aric would still be in control and rule the suit.

This discussion reminds me of how much I hated the VH 2 version, heh.

Anyway...

But there's nothing in the concept to suggest that the suit could absorb its wearer's essence.

The only thing that was established was that the wearer's psyche could affect the suit (i.e. Randy's guilt/self-hatred, whatever it was).

Unless you want to consider Darque's infection of the X-O suit as meaning that the armor could absorb his essence.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:11 pm

I didn't care much for the VH2 version either, but mainly because Aric should be the one in the suit IMO. The "barbarian in a can" aspect set it apart from the other countless armored hero books out there. I would still like to see them save parts/characters of the VH2 X-O though. Maybe VEI could combine Donovan Wylie with a new Armorines premise and have him develop the suits.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:22 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I didn't care much for the VH2 version either, but mainly because Aric should be the one in the suit IMO. The "barbarian in a can" aspect set it apart from the other countless armored hero books out there. I would still like to see them save parts/characters of the VH2 X-O though. Maybe VEI could combine Donovan Wylie with a new Armorines premise and have him develop the suits.

Maybe.

I think that Donovan the video game developer can work within the context of the original VALIANT Universe, and he could be integrated into Aric's story if he's the one that rescues him from Doug's virtual reality scenario.

I also like the idea of someone named DOUG being Aric's worst enemy, it's so... simple, a no brainer.

GiladtheOne · Post by **GiladtheOne** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:37 pm

That's awesome.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:53 pm

So hold on a second !!

You trying to tell me that Punx isnt something that fits right in with the sound continuity.

How dare you.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:28 pm

Draco wrote:So hold on a second !!

You trying to tell me that Punx isnt something that fits right in with the sound continuity.

How dare you.

Stop being Troublemakers!

-slym

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:42 am

Draco wrote:So hold on a second !!

You trying to tell me that Punx isnt something that fits right in with the sound continuity.

How dare you.

Has the new Only the Valiant come out?

Shouldn't this be in that thread?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:05 pm

Robbstrd wrote:Another question:

Are there any indications that PunX or the Outcast occur in the *VALIANT (1991-1996)* universe?

Other opinions to the contrary, PunX featured appearances by Harada and Tank, from Secret Weapons. Yes, it was a humor book and yes, it was satirical, but it also was set in in the VH-1 universe.

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:32 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
Robbstrd wrote:Another question:

Are there any indications that PunX or the Outcast occur in the *VALIANT (1991-1996)* universe?
Other opinions to the contrary, PunX featured appearances by Harada and Tank, from Secret Weapons. Yes, it was a humor book and yes, it was satirical, but it also was set in in the VH-1 universe.

..and was yet ANOTHER Giffen P.O.S...IMO of course...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:12 pm

That would be my opinion as well, Myron.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:12 pm

Can't recall where it was discussed recently, but what do you all prefer..... release order or continuity?

I'm getting closer to re-reading the early stuff. Looking at MOTA's list makes me not want to read the books so I'm thinking I'll go with release order.

Plan is to read in release order and quit reading individual titles as they start to suck. I've got a feeling that I'm going to end up quitting right where I quit back in the day. Harby shortly after 25, A&A after BWS, Rai 8, x-o after 15, Hard Corps and Psi Lords 1, etc. I'd like to be able to say that I've read it all, but I can't subject myself to stuff I don't like just to do it.

dave · Post by **dave** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:30 pm

400yrs wrote: Plan is to read in release order and quit reading individual titles as they start to suck. I've got a feeling that I'm going to end up quitting right where I quit back in the day. Harby shortly after 25, A&A after BWS, Rai 8, x-o after 15, Hard Corps and Psi Lords 1, etc. I'd like to be able to say that I've read it all, but I can't subject myself to stuff I don't like just to do it.

Rai 9-through the end of the Malev war didn't really suck, but you said "when they start to suck" I don't know, you own 'em, you might as well read 'em. That's how I look at it.

Consider it penance.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:35 pm

dave wrote: Rai 9-through the end of the Malev war didn't really suck, but you said "when they start to suck"

Yeah, I might ask around to see if there's any good stuff later in a run. I didn't really care for Rai much back in the day. I re-read the pre-unity stuff a few years ago and it was just so-so for me. Not something I get too interested in.....

dave wrote: I don't know, you own 'em, you might as well read 'em. That's how I look at it.

Consider it penance.

I definitely get that, but I own tons and tons of other good comics that I still haven't read yet. I'm kind of using a trim the collection of the bad stuff as I go approach. Valiants are no exception.

SirStack · Post by **SirStack** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:34 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:Magnus Robot Fighter/Nexus Preview (Advance Comics)
Magnus Robot Fighter/Nexus #1

Whoa, what, is the Preview original material or is it just a couple of pages from issue 1 in black & white?

ManofTheAtom wrote:Extras that can be read in any order:
X-O Database (inserted with the X-O Manowar TP)

Reading the database too early spoils quite a few things, such as Aric's sword attachment and Ken's betrayal & arm addition.

SwiftMann · Post by **SwiftMann** » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:20 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:This is the chronological list that shows in what continuity order to read VALIANT.

Anyone actually read it this way? I'm Magnus #0 away from completing VH1 and want to read it in story order (vs release order). Does it play out well?

SwiftMann · Post by **SwiftMann** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:54 pm

SwiftMann wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:This is the chronological list that shows in what continuity order to read VALIANT.
Anyone actually read it this way? I'm Magnus #0 away from completing VH1 and want to read it in story order (vs release order). Does it play out well?

Anyone on this?

I (hopefully) have a Magnus #0 on its way and want to make this my next big reading project.

Leaning towards reading it in release order the first time and down the road a good bit trying it this way.

SwiftMann · Post by **SwiftMann** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:10 pm

I have finally started reading the universe from the beginning. I am somewhat following MotA's list, but now double-checking books as there are some definite inaccuracies. Also, I skipped all the Gold Key reprints for now. I plan to read those pre-Unity to see if there's really anything relevant to the VH1 issues or not. I'm about three months of books away from Unity #0. I plan to put up a thread about the pre-Unity read once I'm done.

I get alternating Solar and Magnus to start as we are building along both timelines, but it seems like the list on page 1 becomes a hybrid of some VH1 history and mostly just using cover date. Almost as if avoiding reading two issues of the same title despite story continuity. For instance, this sequence just doesn't work as Solar, X-O, and the Renegades plots start to intertwine after everyone has their Spider Alien introductions. [Removing Magnus and Rai to focus on the 1990s story dates]

Solar Man of The Atom #4 - 10/1/90 and takes place over a period of months
Harbinger #0: 1/30 - 5/10/91
Solar Man of The Atom #5: 3/25 - 3/26/91
Harbinger #1: 6/2 - 6/6/91
X-O Manowar #0: 11/3/91 [X-O's arrival date]
Solar Man of The Atom #6: 5/26/91
Harbinger #2: 6/6 - 6/9/91
X-O Manowar #1: 11/3 - 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #7: unspecified time between 3/26/91 & 1/8/92
Harbinger #3: 7/6/91
X-O Manowar #2: 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #8: 1/8 - 1/9/92
Harbinger #4: 12/21 - 12/25/91
X-O Manowar #3: unspecified time between 1/9 - 3/1/92
Solar Man of The Atom #9: 3/30/92
Harbinger #5: 3/5/92
X-O Manowar #4: 3/1/92
Shadowman #1: unspecified time around 3/1/92
The VALIANT Era Companion #1: 1967 - 3/31/92
Solar Man of The Atom #10: 2/19/85 - 3/31/92
Harbinger #6: 3/6/92
X-O Manowar #5: 3/26 - 3/27/92
Shadowman #2: 3/13 - 3/22/92

So, my version would be this:

Solar Man of The Atom #4: 10/1/90 and takes place over a period of months
Solar Man of The Atom #5: 3/25 - 3/26/91
Solar Man of The Atom #6: 3/26/91
Solar Man of The Atom #7: unspecified time between 3/26/91 & 1/8/92
Harbinger #0: 1/30 - 5/10/91
Harbinger #1: 6/2 - 6/6/91
Harbinger #2: 6/6 - 6/9/91
Harbinger #3: 7/6/91
X-O Manowar #0: 11/3/91 [X-O's arrival date]
Harbinger #4: 12/21 - 12/25/91
X-O Manowar #1: 11/3 - 12/31/91
X-O Manowar #2: 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #8: 1/8 - 1/9/92
X-O Manowar #3: unspecified time between 1/9 - 3/1/92
X-O Manowar #4: 3/1/92
Shadowman #1: unspecified time around 3/1/92
Harbinger #5: 3/5/92
Harbinger #6: 3/6/92
Shadowman #2: 3/13 - 3/22/92
X-O Manowar #5: 3/26 - 3/27/92
Solar Man of The Atom #9: 3/30/92
The VALIANT Era Companion #1: 1967 - 3/31/92
Solar Man of The Atom #10: 2/19/85 - 3/31/92

Hopefully I got all my cut & pastes right.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:56 pm

Hi Gang! Well, it's been a long time since Ive posted here. Im helping a friend read through VH1 in release order by week.. but I only see what Greg has posted by month. Anyone have a weekly release, or issue by issue by release date?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:46 pm

SwiftMann wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:10 pm I have finally started reading the universe from the beginning. I am somewhat following MotA's list, but now double-checking books as there are some definite inaccuracies. Also, I skipped all the Gold Key reprints for now. I plan to read those pre-Unity to see if there's really anything relevant to the VH1 issues or not. I'm about three months of books away from Unity #0. I plan to put up a thread about the pre-Unity read once I'm done.

I get alternating Solar and Magnus to start as we are building along both timelines, but it seems like the list on page 1 becomes a hybrid of some VH1 history and mostly just using cover date. Almost as if avoiding reading two issues of the same title despite story continuity. For instance, this sequence just doesn't work as Solar, X-O, and the Renegades plots start to intertwine after everyone has their Spider Alien introductions. [Removing Magnus and Rai to focus on the 1990s story dates]

Solar Man of The Atom #4 - 10/1/90 and takes place over a period of months
Harbinger #0: 1/30 - 5/10/91
Solar Man of The Atom #5: 3/25 - 3/26/91
Harbinger #1: 6/2 - 6/6/91
X-O Manowar #0: 11/3/91 [X-O's arrival date]
Solar Man of The Atom #6: 5/26/91
Harbinger #2: 6/6 - 6/9/91
X-O Manowar #1: 11/3 - 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #7: unspecified time between 3/26/91 & 1/8/92
Harbinger #3: 7/6/91
X-O Manowar #2: 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #8: 1/8 - 1/9/92
Harbinger #4: 12/21 - 12/25/91
X-O Manowar #3: unspecified time between 1/9 - 3/1/92
Solar Man of The Atom #9: 3/30/92
Harbinger #5: 3/5/92
X-O Manowar #4: 3/1/92
Shadowman #1: unspecified time around 3/1/92
The VALIANT Era Companion #1: 1967 - 3/31/92
Solar Man of The Atom #10: 2/19/85 - 3/31/92
Harbinger #6: 3/6/92
X-O Manowar #5: 3/26 - 3/27/92
Shadowman #2: 3/13 - 3/22/92

So, my version would be this:

Solar Man of The Atom #4: 10/1/90 and takes place over a period of months
Solar Man of The Atom #5: 3/25 - 3/26/91
Solar Man of The Atom #6: 3/26/91
Solar Man of The Atom #7: unspecified time between 3/26/91 & 1/8/92
Harbinger #0: 1/30 - 5/10/91
Harbinger #1: 6/2 - 6/6/91
Harbinger #2: 6/6 - 6/9/91
Harbinger #3: 7/6/91
X-O Manowar #0: 11/3/91 [X-O's arrival date]
Harbinger #4: 12/21 - 12/25/91
X-O Manowar #1: 11/3 - 12/31/91
X-O Manowar #2: 12/31/91
Solar Man of The Atom #8: 1/8 - 1/9/92
X-O Manowar #3: unspecified time between 1/9 - 3/1/92
X-O Manowar #4: 3/1/92
Shadowman #1: unspecified time around 3/1/92
Harbinger #5: 3/5/92
Harbinger #6: 3/6/92
Shadowman #2: 3/13 - 3/22/92
X-O Manowar #5: 3/26 - 3/27/92
Solar Man of The Atom #9: 3/30/92
The VALIANT Era Companion #1: 1967 - 3/31/92
Solar Man of The Atom #10: 2/19/85 - 3/31/92

Hopefully I got all my cut & pastes right.

Nice.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:46 pm

IanAlexavier wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:56 pm Hi Gang! Well, it's been a long time since Ive posted here. Im helping a friend read through VH1 in release order by week.. but I only see what Greg has posted by month. Anyone have a weekly release, or issue by issue by release date?

That would be interesting.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm

IanAlexavier wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:56 pm Hi Gang! Well, it's been a long time since Ive posted here. Im helping a friend read through VH1 in release order by week.. but I only see what Greg has posted by month. Anyone have a weekly release, or issue by issue by release date?

Nice, I prefer publication order as well. Week by week as they came out would be cool.

The best place I know for that info is Mike's Amazing World

Even though they are grouped by month, if you look at a specific issue or series it gives the exact release date.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:21 pm

Ryan wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm
IanAlexavier wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:56 pm Hi Gang! Well, it's been a long time since Ive posted here. Im helping a friend read through VH1 in release order by week.. but I only see what Greg has posted by month. Anyone have a weekly release, or issue by issue by release date?
Nice, I prefer publication order as well. Week by week as they came out would be cool.

The best place I know for that info is Mike's Amazing World

Even though they are grouped by month, if you look at a specific issue or series it gives the exact release date.

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Nice.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:07 pm

Ryan wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:47 pm
IanAlexavier wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:56 pm Hi Gang! Well, it's been a long time since Ive posted here. Im helping a friend read through VH1 in release order by week.. but I only see what Greg has posted by month. Anyone have a weekly release, or issue by issue by release date?
Nice, I prefer publication order as well. Week by week as they came out would be cool.

The best place I know for that info is Mike's Amazing World

Even though they are grouped by month, if you look at a specific issue or series it gives the exact release date.

Screenshot 2024-03-05 194203.png

Thanks, Ryan! I hope you're doing well! I'm hoping to recreate the journey that we all went through the first time around for my friend who just started reading

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:59 pm

IanAlexavier wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:07 pm
Thanks, Ryan! I hope you're doing well! I'm hoping to recreate the journey that we all went through the first time around for my friend who just started reading

Thanks Ian, you too! Keep us updated on how it goes. If you put a list together with all the issues by release date make sure to share it on here, I'm sure that might tempt others to join in on the re-read

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