VIP ASHCAN AT SDCC! Prepare to be SHOCKED.

[superman-prime]

now thats funny , did i pass u on the freeway yesterday lol lol

[jmpet]

>It's the "I techincally own Solar" comment -- it just . . . I really don't know how to describe what reading that did to my poor little brain.<

Well I technically DO own Solar. More than Voyager, Gold Key, VEI or VIP. Because I sold a Solar-related creation of mine way back in 2000. Believe me- I didn't give my lawyer several thousand in vain- I still have the right to reasonably sue- more than anyone else does- VEI and VIP included.

Of course I can never sue, simply because my patent is in conflict with existing copyrights- this is why VIP's ashcan is so crappy/ this is why Valiant is one giant question mark. The moment my Solar looks like Solar, Jim Shooter and Matt Murphy have justifiable cause to sue.

Of course I'd need some kinda lawyer to present my argument- and we're talking Johnny Cochraine. I'd need some slick-backed New York City-type to represent me, which is exactly what VIP already has, WHICH IS MY POINT: VIP has nothing more than the technical, feasable, possible rights to characters that were summaristically dumped by the patent holders and the bottom line is whoever puts out a real Valiant comic will win.

[X-O HoboJoe]

*edit*

[X-O HoboJoe]

now thats funny , did i pass u on the freeway yesterday lol lol

Next time I'll wave with ALL my fingers.

[cobra_commander]

It has to be said though this isn't only a place where people come to have a laugh (not that there's anything wrong with that). This is a great place to get info on VALIANT, the re launch, the old books, whatever. And Greg has done a great job here. So no dissin' VF.com please.

[superman-prime]

thats cool long as u dont work for vip its all good

[X-O HoboJoe]

It has to be said though this isn't only a place where people come to have a laugh (not that there's anything wrong with that). This is a great place to get info on VALIANT, the re launch, the old books, whatever. And Greg has done a great job here. So no dissin' VF.com please.

*edit*

[X-O HoboJoe]

Christ. I'm starting to sound like Joe Collector on the CGC boards . . .

[cobra_commander]

It has to be said though this isn't only a place where people come to have a laugh (not that there's anything wrong with that). This is a great place to get info on VALIANT, the re launch, the old books, whatever. And Greg has done a great job here. So no dissin' VF.com please.

He's going to simply out-smart us all into submission and take over Valiant.

How many times will the stereotypical "comic-guy" show up on a board, pull this "I'm smarter that you and you're too stupid to understand it" bit before we find a cure for social *SQUEE*?

Can't outsmart me I'm banging both Olsen twins in my head right now. Can't get smarter than that

[schi0249]

Man, being Megat... I mean Cobra Commander must just rock. Where can I sign up for Cobra?

[jmpet]

>First, I think that what many people want to know is if you and ZWH have resolved everything to your mutual satisfaction.<

As I understand it, we're 80% done. He got "the pick of the litter" from my remaining Valiant collection (those eBay auctions), plus he also got "the goodies" (the beer, the voyuers). All he hasn't got was $250-worth of Valiants from his want list of which I have 80% of, as Greg will attest to. Simply put, a CEAR and a Unity 2000 set brings us 80% towards that $250 goal.

Furthermore, he got all of this regardless of his ranting and raving and carrying on- the kind of carrying on that on a CGC board is enough to make you hang yourself. Yes- in spite of all of this, Zephyr will get what he deserves.

And he will- both me and Greg will attest to this statement. Regardless of whether he's a member of this forum or not, he will get his due.

>I think that many people on this board made decisions about your character based on how that was handled, and that is going to have a big influence on how people respond to you on this board.<

In all honesty, I do not care. Here's something Greg's known about for a month. There is someone else I "screwed over" so many years ago- another member of this forum. Did they over-dramatize every little thing? No- they asked humbly and sincerely and in a PM. And that is why that person was/is finally satisfied- not because they whined until they got what was due to them, but because they came to me man-to-man. I sent this person about $1,000-worth of stuff. And when they got it, I asked if that was enough to make them happy. And that person said yes it was. And then our business transaction was completed to our mutual satisfaction.

That is how business gets done- one on one. Not in a public forum, not with every little comment dissected and made into a joke. Zephyr wanted it both ways- he wanted his just desserts and he wanted to eat it while you all watched. And I mean YOU ALL, not just me: the only power Zephyr ever had was the power you folks gave him. Proof of this is the here and now: Zephyr is no longer here yet ValiantComics.com goes on.

As far as my character goes, I defer to Magnus Ramstrom. Magnus? Tell them about my character.

Questioning my intent is like second guessing Jim Shooter. I know it's vain of me to say but I consider myself a Valiant fan foremost- I lived in NYC when Valiant was in their heyday. And I bore the brunt of MANY a joke when comics crashed. Yet I took it- because I knew I was right regardless... I knew that regardless of everything, Valiants are not crap. And I still believe that. I have several thousand dollars-worth of worthless "comics crash" era Valiant to prove it and in all honesty, I STILL don't regret the fact that I have over 400 copies of Rai #14.

I never sold Valiant out, not ever.

Well, if you agree with that sentiment, then you agree with me. And everything else is window dressing.

I am a Valiant fan. Like you. I like Valiant comics. But real Valiant comics- not sellout BS Valiant comics.

>I am sure that people will be quick to change attitudes, for the better, once it becomes known that this was resolved. This is a reality of the current situation, and I don't think people are going to pretend that this reality doesn't exist.<

It will be resolved, I assure you. Just as I assured all my eBayers- and thanks for taking me from an 8 to a 34 with no negatives.

What you don't understand is that the hardest part of resolving a seven year-long transaction is the injuree admitting damages which I from day one onwards did on this very site. Me admitting I was wrong and promising to make it right in and of itself is the crux of resolving ANYTHING, me actually doing it is the gravy.

Well considering I have kept my end of the bargain up, and considering I will regardless of the fact Zephyr no longer posts here outta tell you something. And if it dosen't, then lay off the Zoloft.

As far as my frankness goes, I offer little in apology. If someone ripped me off for $1000, I'd be at their doorstep two weeks later demanding reparations, not waiting seven years then whining until it becomes a chorus. And you all agree with me, it's just uncool to say so here because Zephyr used to post here. Well RIP Zephyr- you got your just desserts, now let's move on with it. shall we? He names the terms and I am fufilling them, case closed.

I was wrong. I *SQUEE* up. But I admit it and I will make it right. If that ain't good enough for you folks, then I suggest you all invest in a mirror.

>Second, yes, we screw around a lot on this board. That is because there is a big sense of community here, and we have gotten to know and befriend each other here. Friends mess around with each other to have fun.<

Yes. But to an outsider, it's all Dutch.

Once again I am sorry if I an frank but it is for simple reasons: Valiant is publishable material, they just haven't figured out how to do it yet. And why? Because none of them were there. I was there, I know what makes a Valiant comic a Valiant. And most of you here do too. That should be the thrust of this discussion.

Are we here to talk Valiant or not?

I picked my avatar for good reason, folks...

[jmpet]

Dear HoboJoe-

I do apologize. I did not realize I was not playing with someone a few cards short of a full deck. I never realized that to you everything boils down to a yes/no, black and white answer that requires no thought to complete. I apologize for having original thoughts. Feel free to give me the finger all you want. People like you are the reason we curse the French, after all.

"If there were more people like you, there would be less people like you."
Hawkeye Pierce, MASH

[Dr. Solar]

I am glad, very glad, to hear that things are being resolved.

...
>Second, yes, we screw around a lot on this board. That is because there is a big sense of community here, and we have gotten to know and befriend each other here. Friends mess around with each other to have fun.<

Yes. But to an outsider, it's all Dutch.
...

It doesn't take much to become and "insider". Just stick around.

[jmpet]

>Here we go: A long self-righteous rant about how stupid we all are for not following jmpet's vision of how the world should be.

So basically, every time you post up your hour-long crafted Deep-Thoughts-by-Jack-Handy BS-fests, you loose what tiny shred of credibility you might have left.

So, go right ahead. You damage only yourself and that impacts this board not at all and me personally even less.<

While I agree my thoughts are self-righteous, I still defend my position. What is your position, apart from "cheap shots to pick apart everyone else's comments"- I have yet to see them. Me? My thoughts are laid bare. You are nothing but a sad punchline to a bad joke; you are ultimately irrelevant.

I lived Valiant Comics for several years, way back in the 90's back when Valiant was relevant. I was privy to the daily goings on over at Valiant-land, back when the future was uncertain; I had a small say in what happened, you did not.

I have AN AWFUL LOT to tell you folks about Valiant and almost all of it is unknown and all of it is juicy.

As far as my Jack Handyesque comments go- this is a forum for people to read; it is an archive of successive thoughts leading to a point. And yes- I actually read a whole lot of your posts and apart from :0, there really is no substance. And in that regard, you fail.

So keep giving me the finger right up to the point of where you become irrelevant to this forum- be my guest.

:0

[cobra_commander]

jmpet - seriously. you're barking up the wrong tree with this hobo-bashing. lay off it for awhile yeah?

[leonmallett]

>Here we go: A long self-righteous rant about how stupid we all are for not following jmpet's vision of how the world should be.

Every time I read one of your condescending, snide posts about what a great person you are, I

So basically, every time you post up your hour-long crafted Deep-Thoughts-by-Jack-Handy BS-fests, you loose what tiny shred of credibility you might have left.

So, go right ahead. You damage only yourself and that impacts this board not at all and me personally even less.<

While I agree my thoughts are self-righteous, I still defend my position. What is your position, apart from "cheap shots to pick apart everyone else's comments"- I have yet to see them. Me? My thoughts are laid bare. You are nothing but a sad punchline to a bad joke; you are ultimately irrelevant.

I lived Valiant Comics for several years, way back in the 90's back when Valiant was relevant. I was privy to the daily goings on over at Valiant-land, back when the future was uncertain; I had a small say in what happened, you did not.

I have AN AWFUL LOT to tell you folks about Valiant and almost all of it is unknown and all of it is juicy.

As far as my Jack Handyesque comments go- this is a forum for people to read; it is an archive of successive thoughts leading to a point. And yes- I actually read a whole lot of your posts and apart from :0, there really is no substance. And in that regard, you fail.

So keep giving me the finger right up to the point of where you become irrelevant to this forum- be my guest.

:0

Mr Petrilak, I have read a few of your posts over the last couple of pages and a few things seem to shine through:

1. Your thinly veiled disdain for the sense of community here. There is an awful strong sense of community. Not everyone likes everyone else, which is okay, but a lot of good things have been done through this place.

2. Your disdain for the tone of the place. I was an 'outsider', and so was everyone who came later to the party. So what? If you don't like it you don't have to participate.

3. Your disdain for individual posters. Nice. Insulting them is the way to feel a part of the community. See above. (that is a roll of the eyes, by the way).

4. Your high moral ground tone over a deal you took seven and a half years to make right after seemingly making wrong is not going to fly.

5. Your "juicy" VALIANT stories because you were there? I don't care at this moment, because right now you are not coming off very well. Each member will decide for themselves how interested they are depending on how you interact. You seem (to me at least) to be quietly saying something to the effect of: "Love me please, I was there, ain't I cool!"

6. You seem to arrogantly say that only you and your friend know how to re-do VALIANT right. Of course! What were VEI thinking? Damn, but they should have contacted you instead of Shooter, Hall and Layton.


PS. Please use the quote function, it helps reading your posts.

[jmpet]

And to everyone else- I apologize. Case in point is this latest batch of long boxes of comics I drove to NYC to retrieve, to make Zephyr happy:

Looking through those boxes of books I haven't looked at in years only reinforces my point: the point of Valiant Comics is the belief that Valiant Comics are cool in the first place.

While I curse myself for being so stupid as to buy out every single dealer of their Valiant comics when Valiant comics tanked, I also applaud myself for the fortitude of standing up for Valiant while everything else was crumbling around me. Ultimately my dollars spent are my point, and I have many, many long boxes full of worthless comics to prove my point.

And HoboJoe- I know there is a simple, three second emoticon to express this thought but fact remains- the only reason I had three copies of Unity 2000 #3 for sale on eBay was because I believed in Valiant right up to the end of Valiant.

And in all honesty, I never read the damn book. I inspired Shooter to write it after all, why should I?

[leonmallett]

jmpet - seriously. you're barking up the wrong tree with this hobo-bashing. lay off it for awhile yeah?

I was typing my rant as you posted.

[cobra_commander]

Man, being Megat... I mean Cobra Commander must just rock. Where can I sign up for Cobra?

There'll be a join-up thread in a few weeks.

[leonmallett]

Man, being Megat... I mean Cobra Commander must just rock. Where can I sign up for Cobra?

There'll be a join-up thread in a few weeks.

Thinking about it, would the blue hood be a possible disguise for Megatron? Is he really leading two nefarious organisations? Okay, in one is he like thirty feet tall, but I can imagine, can't I?

[jmpet]

>jmpet - seriously. you're barking up the wrong tree with this hobo-bashing. lay off it for awhile yeah?<

Absolutely. Yes.

I am not bashing HoboJoe as much as bashing one liners instead of forwarding a discussion. This is where the Dutch comes in- I simply do not understand the bulk of the postings on this site. Posting is not an appropriate response to a well thought posting- that is my point.

simply dosen't cut it anymore.

[magnusr]

It's the "I techincally own Solar" comment

Out of the four trademarks for "Solar Man of the Atom", that have been live in the USPTO database, Joe's is the most recent. As Joe is saying, copyright is a separate issue.

/Magnus

[leonmallett]

>jmpet - seriously. you're barking up the wrong tree with this hobo-bashing. lay off it for awhile yeah?<

Absolutely. Yes.

I am not bashing HoboJoe as much as bashing one liners instead of forwarding a discussion. This is where the Dutch comes in- I simply do not understand the bulk of the postings on this site. Posting is not an appropriate response to a well thought posting- that is my point.

simply dosen't cut it anymore.

So an emote isn't a valid response? Is that not like saying 'one word is never enough'?

[magnusr]

As far as my character goes, I defer to Magnus Ramstrom. Magnus? Tell them about my character.

It is my experience that once the mob has picked a target, there is not much anyone can say to change them. Whatever is said just provides a new opportunity to attack.

People, listen, you can not even begin to understand how much good Joe has done for the Valiant community. These boards have developed their own life beyond being a Valiant community. These boards now form a community of their own, which is cool, but in the end, it is the love for Valiant that brought us here in the first place. That is what binds us together, and that is what Joe is about. Joe's character is simply to put Valiant before himself.

I would really hope that noone uses this as a means of further attacks.

/Magnus

[magnusr]

1. Your thinly veiled disdain for the sense of community here. There is an awful strong sense of community. Not everyone likes everyone else, which is okay, but a lot of good things have been done through this place.

And a lot of bad.

2. Your disdain for the tone of the place. I was an 'outsider', and so was everyone who came later to the party. So what? If you don't like it you don't have to participate.

I came before most people here and also dislike the tone. It has been suggested often that I should leave this place and I have often been tempted to do so. Anyway, the tone has changed many times and will go on doing so, mainly because people say what they feel.

3. Your disdain for individual posters. Nice. Insulting them is the way to feel a part of the community. See above. (that is a roll of the eyes, by the way).

It's obvious that Stu and Joe has gotten of to a bad start. That really saddens me. Still, sorry to have to say this Stu, but that photo was over the top.

4. Your high moral ground tone over a deal you took seven and a half years to make right after seemingly making wrong is not going to fly.

If it makes no difference in the public eye whether Joe makes good or not, then why should he? Joe's done wrong and now he's doing more than right, with interest. There should be always be forgivness.

5. Your "juicy" VALIANT stories because you were there? I don't care at this moment, because right now you are not coming off very well. Each member will decide for themselves how interested they are depending on how you interact. You seem (to me at least) to be quietly saying something to the effect of: "Love me please, I was there, ain't I cool!"

One of the best things ever said on these boards is that we should be able to listen to a message, whatever we think about the messenger.

6. You seem to arrogantly say that only you and your friend know how to re-do VALIANT right. Of course! What were VEI thinking? Damn, but they should have contacted you instead of Shooter, Hall and Layton.

If that is your interpretation, it's great that you share it. That is what discussion is all about.

PS. Please use the quote function, it helps reading your posts.

Totally agrees

/Magnus