VIP ASHCAN AT SDCC! Prepare to be SHOCKED.

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:12 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote: 2 slim nuns . . . the thing on the crotch is an eyepatch.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:50 pm

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:52 pm

greg wrote:

Need to sew his ears up so he can't have the stories read to him.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:54 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
greg wrote:
Need to sew his ears up so he can't have the stories read to him.

His $40 will buy a "Sneak Peak", but it doesn't contain any stories.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:56 pm

greg wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
greg wrote:
Need to sew his ears up so he can't have the stories read to him.
His $40 will buy a "Sneak Peak", but it doesn't contain any stories.

You're only getting his hopes up.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:03 pm

Brother J wrote:actually, I personally don't think the art is as horrid as some of you do, I've seen stuff published that's 10 times worse.

Sure, the art isn't that bad but it certainly is a lot of fun making fun of it. Unfortunately, the criminals behind VIP will likely never present themselves to any of us physically so that we can provide them with a well deserved kick-to-the-groin. Bashing the trash they dare to present to the public will have to satisfy our bloodlust for now.

The whole idea about trying to hijack the Valiant name and names of characters is what burns my balls the most. I mean, do they really think anyone is so stupid that they would accept this stuff as the real VALIANT? It just seems to me they are fighting a battle for something that's not going to be of value to them even if they would somehow win, anyway. The only way I can see them making out on the deal is if they could use the trademarks to extort money from VEI.

Extortion is probably as accurate a way as there is to describe VIP's intent.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:05 pm

Brother J wrote:actually, I personally don't think the art is as horrid as some of you do, I've seen stuff published that's 10 times worse.

Do you now or have you ever worked for VIP?

This guy's a mole... burn him!!!

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:22 pm

Brother J wrote:actually, I personally don't think the art is as horrid as some of you do, I've seen stuff published that's 10 times worse.

I would agree. I actually think the Deathmate drawing is pretty good. I wonder who did these? Probably just some schmuck looking for work where he can get it.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:31 pm

Has it been confirmed that VIP actually sold any of these? I have a hard time believing anyone would part with $5 for one of these much less $40.
.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:36 pm

Second_Death wrote:Has it been confirmed that VIP actually sold any of these? I have a hard time believing anyone would part with $5 for one of these much less $40.
.

Yeah, they may as well have asked for 400 bucks cause no one is going to buy it anyway.

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:42 pm

Man are we being a little harsh. Granted, the drawings are not great. But, its not like they are finished comics. I'm assuming these are only sketches. The lack of detail leads me to hope they are not the finished product. They were kind of dumb to try selling the thing. They should have given them away, thats all a rough sketch from an unknown is worth to me.

I too think many of the drawings are familiar. Other than people mentioned, I saw a resemblances to Cable as well. From an outside perspective, I'm sure you could develope interesting comics ideas with those TM's. Our collective "problem", is that we view the TM's and the IP as one in the same. We grew up reading Harbinger, Magnus, and all. Personally, if VIP had made an effort at aquiring the IP, I wouldn't be some angry. The fact is, it seems like they thought no one serious would show up for the auction.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:43 pm

schi0249 wrote:The fact is, it seems like they thought no one serious would show up for the auction.

Then they were wrong.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:47 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
schi0249 wrote:The fact is, it seems like they thought no one serious would show up for the auction.
Then they were wrong.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:48 pm

Second_Death wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
schi0249 wrote:The fact is, it seems like they thought no one serious would show up for the auction.
Then they were wrong.

You tell 'em, pilgrim!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:52 pm

They seem to be terrible business people that's for sure. Alienate the fan base, put out a 40 dollar piece of trash preview.....yeah that's gonna take 'em real far. ..

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:55 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base

Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.

If VE tries to win the war by using the same tactic then all we'll get is Birthquake and VH 2.

In the end the only ones that loose are the readers.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:57 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base
Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.

Big names might draw people in, but it won't keep them.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:57 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base
Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.

Too true. Even if those creator's are "mailing it in" fan's will buy on the name alone.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base
Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.
Big names might draw people in, but it won't keep them.

Keep is such a relative term in comics.

If VIP does one shots or minis then they only need to "keep them" for a month or two.

Publishers want to keep readers for more long term projects, like ongoing series.

VIP may only be interested in doing a one shot for each one of the concepts they have.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base
Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.
Big names might draw people in, but it won't keep them.

How long would it have to suck before the average reader drops the title?

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:They seem to be terrible business people that's for sure. Alienate the fan base, put out a 40 dollar piece of trash preview.....yeah that's gonna take 'em real far. ..

Trying this one on for size...

The VIP "Sneak Peak" at $40 each, limited to 100 copies.

Assuming they all (eventually) sell, which is a reasonable "goal", then the total is $4,000.

Let's say it costs $1.50 each to print them, because if the small quantity,
so that cuts $150 off the $4,000 profit, leaving $3,850.

The cost to ATTEMPT to register 11 trademarks is $350 each, for a total of $3,850.

Now, when VIP finally loses their trademark cases, and ends up with nothing...
they can IMAGINE a "no loss" scenario by pointing out they paid $4,000 to make $4,000.

The end. R.I.P.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:02 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Alienate the fan base
Are we their fanbase?

No, we're not.

The sad fact is this:

The war between VIP and VE won't be a war of concepts, it'll be a war of credit boxes.

If VIP gets Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, Neil Gaiman, Frank Miller, or some other big names from comics to work on their titles while all VE can do is get Joe Smoe, John Doe, and Jane Smith, then VIP's fake VALIANT comics will outsell VE's real VALIANT comics.
Big names might draw people in, but it won't keep them.
How long would it have to suck before the average reader drops the title?

I would say within the first couple of issues for some. Maybe 6 or 8 before the rest give it up.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:20 pm

Second_Death wrote:Has it been confirmed that VIP actually sold any of these? I have a hard time believing anyone would part with $5 for one of these much less $40.
.

A copy was purchased for the sake of bringing the scans here.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:25 pm

Zero wrote:
Second_Death wrote:Has it been confirmed that VIP actually sold any of these? I have a hard time believing anyone would part with $5 for one of these much less $40.
.
A copy was purchased for the sake of bringing the scans here.

...for educational purposes, industry review, and satiric response.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:26 pm

greg wrote:
Zero wrote:
Second_Death wrote:Has it been confirmed that VIP actually sold any of these? I have a hard time believing anyone would part with $5 for one of these much less $40.
.
A copy was purchased for the sake of bringing the scans here.

...for educational purposes, industry review, and satiric response.

You always say it better than I.