Bringing down VIP

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:20 am

ThrillKillWill wrote:I know it is late when all the posts turn to *SQUEE*

No - you know it's late when the board clock says 4:20 EST, and that's not adjusted for DST!!!

-slym

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:20 am

ThrillKillWill wrote:I know it is late when all the posts turn to *SQUEE*

As I have been known to say before, it is early here...!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:21 am

leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:We-ell... more like a variation of "10 pounds of *SQUEE* in a five-pound sack."

Maybe that and yours together, now that I think about it.....

-slym
A-ha! Breakthrough. You know with our combined <ahem> intellectual powers, this world could be ours!

Can I have somewhere sunny in my bit...?

"Pinky...? Are you pondering what I am pondering???"

-slym (will gladly trade Southern USA's heat for somewhere cooler)

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:24 am

slym2none wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:We-ell... more like a variation of "10 pounds of *SQUEE* in a five-pound sack."

Maybe that and yours together, now that I think about it.....

-slym
A-ha! Breakthrough. You know with our combined <ahem> intellectual powers, this world could be ours!

Can I have somewhere sunny in my bit...?
"Pinky...? Are you pondering what I am pondering???"

-slym (will gladly trade Southern USA's heat for somewhere cooler)

I'll trade all of the UK below the Midlands for a nice dry (not humidly) hot Southern (or West Coast) US state. Fair?

Now I wish I knew a Pinky comeback quote for the Brain...

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:26 am

leonmallett wrote:Now I wish I knew a Pinky comeback quote for the Brain...

"Well, I fink so, Brain... but how will we ever get the tu-tu on the monkey? ZORT!"

-slym

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:30 am

leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:We-ell... more like a variation of "10 pounds of *SQUEE* in a five-pound sack."

Maybe that and yours together, now that I think about it.....

-slym
A-ha! Breakthrough. You know with our combined <ahem> intellectual powers, this world could be ours!

Can I have somewhere sunny in my bit...?
"Pinky...? Are you pondering what I am pondering???"

-slym (will gladly trade Southern USA's heat for somewhere cooler)
I'll trade all of the UK below the Midlands for a nice dry (not humidly) hot Southern (or West Coast) US state. Fair?

Now I wish I knew a Pinky comeback quote for the Brain...

Arizona is dry, all I ask is that you leave Texas alone. Well, you can have East Texas, the only thing good that came out of their was the Geto Boys.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:37 am

kyanther wrote:So, its a new age for us comic fans, right? The internet has become such a great tool we can use. So what can we, as valiant fans, do to keep this other company from destroying the characters we have all come to love and know? Honestly, I don't have the answer myself, but I'm starting this topic so we can brainstorm a little bit. We all know we could simply not buy their products, but can we keep them from releasing any to start with? Here's all I've found so far that might be of some use to us.

Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC
P. O. Box 2207
Wilmington, DE 19899
United States
Phone Number: 302-658-9141
Fax Number: 302-658-5614

And their attorney's info:
MICHAEL L. LOVITZ, ESQ.
CONNOLLY BOVE LODGE & HUTZ LLP
PO BOX 2207
WILMINGTON, DE 19899-2207
Phone Number: 302-658-9141
Fax Number: 302-658-5614

remember,have fun, ART IS RESISTANCE!!

mlovitz@cblh.com

Not saying to do anything with it mind you...

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:44 am

Some known entity in the comic world set up VIP just for this trademark case. They are hiding their identity currently.

The only way to hurt their business is to find out who's behind it & boycott them. There have been rumors that Dynamic Forces, among others, is actually VIP. Those rumors may be true or they may be false. The point is that boycotting the entity behind VIP will go much further than anything else.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:07 am

No wonder they're hiding their identity.
They're making enemies, and I can think of no enemy as staunch as an enemy who's a member of this board.
You mess with Valiant, you mess with ValiantComics.com!
By the way, that's quite a rumor about VIP being Dynamic Forces. If that were true, that would boggle the mind.
I gotta go. I feel my mind boggling already.

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:59 am

Idea #2

Go to kinkos and make copies of the Sneak Peak ashcan to distribute on the boards for cost there by ensuring the book stays worthless and infringing on VIPs tms and copyrights

okay im just kidding...or maybe im not

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:14 am

I think this VIP stuff is best ignored. What threat does VIP (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) really pose? I guarantee they're not going to come out with a line of comics with those characters we've seen on the 'trashcan.'
The only threat I see from them is if VEI (Valiant Entertainment, the real Valiant) ties up valuable monies in court over this.
I think perhaps VEI should just go about their business and focus on whatever their game plan is. They don't have to go to court over this.
I understand seeing great Valiant characters trampled on by a Mickey Mouse organization like VIP hurts, but the best thing we can do is go back to focusing on Valiant like we were before this 'trash can' of a comic came out.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:19 am

comicmark wrote:I think this VIP stuff is best ignored. What threat does VIP (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) really pose? I guarantee they're not going to come out with a line of comics with those characters we've seen on the 'trashcan.'
The only threat I see from them is if VEI (Valiant Entertainment, the real Valiant) ties up valuable monies in court over this.
I think perhaps VEI should just go about their business and focus on whatever their game plan is. They don't have to go to court over this.
I understand seeing great Valiant characters trampled on by a Mickey Mouse organization like VIP hurts, but the best thing we can do is go back to focusing on Valiant like we were before this 'trash can' of a comic came out.

This matter has already been tied up in court for a very long time. I, for one, was hoping the Harbinger HC signified that the legal battle was over & that it was time for VEI to focus on publishing. This VIP garbage burst that bubble. I have faith VEI will end up with all the important TMs that go with the copyrights they bought though. It's just a matter of how long it takes...

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:23 am

Zero wrote:
comicmark wrote:I think this VIP stuff is best ignored. What threat does VIP (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) really pose? I guarantee they're not going to come out with a line of comics with those characters we've seen on the 'trashcan.'
The only threat I see from them is if VEI (Valiant Entertainment, the real Valiant) ties up valuable monies in court over this.
I think perhaps VEI should just go about their business and focus on whatever their game plan is. They don't have to go to court over this.
I understand seeing great Valiant characters trampled on by a Mickey Mouse organization like VIP hurts, but the best thing we can do is go back to focusing on Valiant like we were before this 'trash can' of a comic came out.
This matter has already been tied up in court for a very long time. I, for one, was hoping the Harbinger HC signified that the legal battle was over & that it was time for VEI to focus on publishing. This VIP garbage burst that bubble. I have faith VEI will end up with all the important TMs that go with the copyrights they bought though. It's just a matter of how long it takes...

Thanks for the info. Shows I haven't read up on the matter.
Do we know exactly who's behind VIP?

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:35 am

comicmark wrote:
Zero wrote:
comicmark wrote:I think this VIP stuff is best ignored. What threat does VIP (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) really pose? I guarantee they're not going to come out with a line of comics with those characters we've seen on the 'trashcan.'
The only threat I see from them is if VEI (Valiant Entertainment, the real Valiant) ties up valuable monies in court over this.
I think perhaps VEI should just go about their business and focus on whatever their game plan is. They don't have to go to court over this.
I understand seeing great Valiant characters trampled on by a Mickey Mouse organization like VIP hurts, but the best thing we can do is go back to focusing on Valiant like we were before this 'trash can' of a comic came out.
This matter has already been tied up in court for a very long time. I, for one, was hoping the Harbinger HC signified that the legal battle was over & that it was time for VEI to focus on publishing. This VIP garbage burst that bubble. I have faith VEI will end up with all the important TMs that go with the copyrights they bought though. It's just a matter of how long it takes...
Thanks for the info. Shows I haven't read up on the matter.
Do we know exactly who's behind VIP?

No. There have been rumors that it's Dynamic Forces, but it's very possible that it's someone else. There are several possibilities that have been discussed from large comic store chains to former Acclaim employees. Honestly, no one knows for sure other than VIP themselves, Lovitz, & possibly VEI. It would be nice to know who they are so I can properly direct my ire. They appear to be afraid to disclose their identity.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:40 am

BTW, I thought this was worth a bump for some of the newer members:

http://www.valiantentertainment.com/

This is VEI's official site. Head there & join the mailing list so you can be ready when they have news for us.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:52 am

kyanther wrote:And in further digging, which may already be known to some of you, I've come across this:

"A year and a half ago, Newsarama reported that Lovitz had claimed the trademarks for several properties originally owned by Valiant Comics: Rai and the Future Force, Deathmate, Harbinger, and others. The applicant for these trademarks was "Valiant Intellectual Properties", having the same Delaware P.O. Box address as "Savage Tales Entertainment". Lovitz declined to give Newsarama any information about Valiant Intellectual Properties at the time. Not more is known about them, save that a year and half ago they approached Christopher Priest and Mark Bright in order to revive "Quantum and Woody", and that Priest described them as "people that we [Priest and Bright]'ve worked with before"."

source:http://rodrigobaeza.blog-city.com/

Coincidence?

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96145

Yes, this is one of the big reasons DF has had fingers pointed at them.

The big problem right now is that there is no definite connection between the title "Savage Tales" & the TM "Savage Tales Entertainment" that was applied for. They may well be connected, but it is not definitive.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:57 am

Zero wrote:
kyanther wrote:And in further digging, which may already be known to some of you, I've come across this:

"A year and a half ago, Newsarama reported that Lovitz had claimed the trademarks for several properties originally owned by Valiant Comics: Rai and the Future Force, Deathmate, Harbinger, and others. The applicant for these trademarks was "Valiant Intellectual Properties", having the same Delaware P.O. Box address as "Savage Tales Entertainment". Lovitz declined to give Newsarama any information about Valiant Intellectual Properties at the time. Not more is known about them, save that a year and half ago they approached Christopher Priest and Mark Bright in order to revive "Quantum and Woody", and that Priest described them as "people that we [Priest and Bright]'ve worked with before"."

I'm glad for guys like you who can keep guys like me up on what's going on with all this.
Thanks.

source:http://rodrigobaeza.blog-city.com/

Coincidence?
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=96145

Yes, this is one of the big reasons DF has had fingers pointed at them.

The big problem right now is that there is no definite connection between the title "Savage Tales" & the TM "Savage Tales Entertainment" that was applied for. They may well be connected, but it is not definitive.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:59 am

Can anyone settle this... What does the indicia say?

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:23 pm

Zero wrote:Can anyone settle this... What does the indicia say?

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html

It says "Savage Tales TM and c Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC"...

case closed, I guess...

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:26 pm

Brother J wrote:
Zero wrote:Can anyone settle this... What does the indicia say?

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html
It says TM and c by Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC...

case closed, I guess...

Where does it say that? I can't find the words entertainment or LLC anywhere on that page...

Is it really paranoia if we're actually being watched?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:28 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Zero wrote:Can anyone settle this... What does the indicia say?

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html
It says TM and c by Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC...

case closed, I guess...
Where does it say that? I can't find the words entertainment or LLC anywhere on that page...

Is it really paranoia if we're actually being watched?

Not on that page at all, my friend. Zero was asking for someone to check the indicia of a copy of the Savage Tales comic. Since I happen to have a copy of #1, that's where I checked.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:29 pm

Brother J wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Zero wrote:Can anyone settle this... What does the indicia say?

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html
It says TM and c by Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC...

case closed, I guess...
Where does it say that? I can't find the words entertainment or LLC anywhere on that page...

Is it really paranoia if we're actually being watched?
Not on that page at all, my friend. Zero was asking for someone to check the indicia of a copy of the Savage Tales comic. Since I happen to have a copy of #1, that's where I checked.

Ah, ok

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:34 pm

as requested (from Savage Tales #1):

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