VIP ASHCAN AT SDCC! Prepare to be SHOCKED.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:50 pm

greg wrote:

honest opinions not welcome. got it. feel free to delete this post and my other on the third page.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:55 pm

400yrs wrote:
greg wrote:

honest opinions not welcome. got it. feel free to delete this post and my other on the third page.

I don't know what you mean. You gave one, I gave one.

DarqueArcher · Post by **DarqueArcher** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:00 pm

greg wrote:
Brother J wrote:Any info on how these were distributed? Did VIP have a booth of some kind?
No booth. VIP still doesn't exist. They are a paper corporation only.
Michael Lovitz is the only known person, and the "company" is just a Delaware registration.

The book doesn't say when, where, how, who, or why about the "future publication".

It would be like putting up a flyer for your band that says
"We SUCK, so we don't want to tell you who we are or where we're playing!"

Word is that Michael Lovitz brought a couple copies (supposedly all numbered out of 100)
to different booths around the convention, asking if dealers would put them on their tables
and sell them for $40 each.

I'm guessing he only attempted this with people who knew him...
so I don't know how many "locations" had a copy in the convention.

Brother J wrote:I can tell Greg's pretty fired up about it!
As a Valiant fan (of the highest order ), I'm quite *SQUEE* that this trash
has the word 'Valiant' on it, and Valiant labels in it.

It's like putting the Rolls Royce emblem on a rusted Ford Pinto.

I'm EMBARRASSED to know that people at the convention could have picked
one of these up and thumbed through it.

Imagine telling someone that you're a Valiant fan, and then having something
like that sitting there with the word "Valiant" on the cover.

Imagine comic collectors seeing that... and thinking...
"That's what Valiant looks like now?!? Puke!"

It was one thing when VIP was just an electronic shell in the US Patent & Trademark database...
but having them put out this piece of crap with Valiant on it is completely new hatred.

Crap in hand is always stinkier than electronic crap in a database...
and VIP just took a dump at the largest convention on the planet.

Greg has trouble expressing himself I see, Don't hold back bro tell us how you truly feel don't hold anything back please

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:11 pm

Sometimes weird stuff like this is actually good advertising. Even though it's hogwash and looks to be the work of second graders, it (the controversy, not the pathetic ash can) could help publicize the relaunch.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:16 pm

I agree.. this is actually good publicity. I hope this hits all the media outlets.. about this huge legal battle for characters that at one time outsold the big 3.

I know the drama can be an energy drainer BUT if you can hold out and keep to the high road it will all pay off in the end.

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:18 pm

Article was not up as of today...I think my editor is getting quotes from VE before running it.

Sorry Ryan. You're wrong.
Valiant Entertainment has already responded many, many hours ago. Your "editor" is waiting on Mr. Lovitz.

-TWT

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:23 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. this is actually good publicity. I hope this hits all the media outlets.. about this huge legal battle for characters that at one time outsold the big 3.

I know the drama can be an energy drainer BUT if you can hold out and keep to the high road it will all pay off in the end.

It's not really about the characters, cause Dino & Co. bought those in the Acclaim auction, it's some of the names that VIP are trying to make away with.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:23 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. this is actually good publicity. I hope this hits all the media outlets.. about this huge legal battle for characters that at one time outsold the big 3.

I know the drama can be an energy drainer BUT if you can hold out and keep to the high road it will all pay off in the end.

Yep. These mediocre misfits may help spread the word about the real Valiant characters coming back.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:26 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. this is actually good publicity. I hope this hits all the media outlets.. about this huge legal battle for characters that at one time outsold the big 3.

I know the drama can be an energy drainer BUT if you can hold out and keep to the high road it will all pay off in the end.
It's not really about the characters, cause Dino & Co. bought those in the Acclaim auction, it's some of the names that VIP are trying to make away with.

The act of trying to make off with the names of these characters is going to draw attention to the relaunch. I'm not saying what they're doing is 'cool' or credible, but the publicity may well draw attention to the new and legitimate product.

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:33 pm

Well that's... underwhelming.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:33 pm

comicmark wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. this is actually good publicity. I hope this hits all the media outlets.. about this huge legal battle for characters that at one time outsold the big 3.

I know the drama can be an energy drainer BUT if you can hold out and keep to the high road it will all pay off in the end.
It's not really about the characters, cause Dino & Co. bought those in the Acclaim auction, it's some of the names that VIP are trying to make away with.
The act of trying to make off with the names of these characters is going to draw attention to the relaunch. I'm not saying what they're doing is 'cool' or credible, but the publicity may well draw attention to the new and legitimate product.

No problem, I knew what you meant. Just wanted to clarify the bit about the characters vs the names for the new members here.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:44 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:No problem, I knew what you meant. Just wanted to clarify the bit about the characters vs the names for the new members here.

I didn't catch that!
Thanks!

thePike · Post by **thePike** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:49 pm

TimeWillTell wrote:
Article was not up as of today...I think my editor is getting quotes from VE before running it.
Sorry Ryan. You're wrong.
Valiant Entertainment has already responded many, many hours ago. Your "editor" is waiting on Mr. Lovitz.

-TWT

I get a kick out of TimeWillTell...

First, he doesn't speak much, but when he does, he says A LOT.

Second, given all the hypothesizing/postulating/theorizing/arguing/speculating/bickering/polling/and just general head scratching that goes on around here - he's the only one that really knows anything (and therefore you can relate to point #1)

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:26 am

putz wrote:the girl has pubs so long she needs to trim them.

In the Ashcan this girls is there "new" Ninjak character......

-Brian

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:29 am

betterthanezra wrote:
putz wrote:the girl has pubs so long she needs to trim them.
In the Ashcan this girls is there "new" Ninjak character......

-Brian

Change the name, call it something else, and we might be on to something.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:30 am

X-O HoboJoe wrote:

Nice work.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:07 am

actually, I personally don't think the art is as horrid as some of you do, I've seen stuff published that's 10 times worse. The whole idea about trying to hijack the Valiant name and names of characters is what burns my balls the most. I mean, do they really think anyone is so stupid that they would accept this stuff as the real VALIANT? It just seems to me they are fighting a battle for something that's not going to be of value to them even if they would somehow win, anyway. The only way I can see them making out on the deal is if they could use the trademarks to extort money from VEI.

Nice work on the X-Men #141 homage, Stu!

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:36 am

Brother J wrote:actually, I personally don't think the art is as horrid as some of you do, I've seen stuff published that's 10 times worse. The whole idea about trying to hijack the Valiant name and names of characters is what burns my balls the most. I mean, do they really think anyone is so stupid that they would accept this stuff as the real VALIANT? It just seems to me they are fighting a battle for something that's not going to be of value to them even if they would somehow win, anyway. The only way I can see them making out on the deal is if they could use the trademarks to extort money from VEI.

Nice work on the X-Men #141 homage, Stu!

I knew there was something familiar about that...

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:06 am

betterthanezra wrote:
putz wrote:the girl has pubs so long she needs to trim them.
In the Ashcan this girls is there "new" Ninjak character......

-Brian

I suppose that she would be "ninjil"...

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:16 am

Can anyone post the newsarama article link?

Also, an alternate posting of these so-called "ashcans"? I can't see the originals in the first post

Thanks

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:47 pm

this has never been more true than right now...

TTIWWOP

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:04 pm

DawgPhan wrote:this has never been more true than right now...

TTIWWOP

SIAFI??

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:17 pm

ckb wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:this has never been more true than right now...

TTIWWOP
SIAFI??

WTF?

kyanther · Post by **kyanther** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:01 pm

*sigh* I'm officially confused now. I thought I understood what was going on, but I no longer feel that I do. I just wish the real valiant would just say something about whats going on. This is taking forever

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:10 pm

yardstick wrote:Can anyone post the newsarama article link?

Also, an alternate posting of these so-called "ashcans"? I can't see the originals in the first post

Thanks

I dont think the article is online yet.

I cant view the pictures either. Did anyone save them>