Who's the most important villian in the Valiant universe?

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:39 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:I always thought Harada was a perfect villain. He had his own goals that he believed in, and he was willing to get his hands messy to achieve them, but he wasn't bad just for the sake of being bad. His goals and methods were just counter to the Valiant heroes goals and methods, and that's where he got into conflicts. He was really machiavellian, which I can understand and appreciate.

Just a thought: Everyone keeps mentioning how Erica was gone after Unity, but that was the Erica from 4001. If DNV starts up in the modern age continuing from the old Valiant continuity, or post-Unity continuity, whatever, The Erica of 2007 will be alive and well, in hiding with Albert. She could easily be a covert villain in DNV.

Just when I thought no one would mention this little detail. Good oberservation!

Erica is easily the most important "villain". She was after all, present from the beginning as Phil's first adversary. Her action against him was the catalyst for the end of A&O.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:00 pm

Massarsky

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:02 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:Massarsky

That's a great response, bro!

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:03 pm

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:07 pm

Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.

If the job is done, can greg or daniel close the thread?

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:09 pm

Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.

Fortunately, Massarsky is gone from Valiant for good,

so he's not eligible for a vote.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:15 pm

comicmark wrote:
Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.
Fortunately, Massarsky is gone from Valiant for good, so he's not eligible for a vote.

Maybe he can be written in...

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:15 pm

comicmark wrote:Just wondering who people think is the most important Valiant villian: Harada, Master D'arque, or someone else?

The most important is Erica, simply because of Unity. But the villains that were the continual thorn in the heroes side were Harada and Darque.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:21 pm

Lightning Strike wrote:
comicmark wrote:Just wondering who people think is the most important Valiant villian: Harada, Master D'arque, or someone else?
The most important is Erica, simply because of Unity.

Please - explain further.

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:23 pm

comicmark wrote:
Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.
Fortunately, Massarsky is gone from Valiant for good, so he's not eligible for a vote.

Don't speak too soon. I'm not saying he is part of DNV, but he has been seen with one of the owners. Now, to what value we should place on just seeing the two of them together is up to our own judgement and deductive reasoning.

-slym

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:25 pm

slym2none wrote:
comicmark wrote:
Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.
Fortunately, Massarsky is gone from Valiant for good, so he's not eligible for a vote.
Don't speak too soon. I'm not saying he is part of DNV, but he has been seen with one of the owners. Now, to what value we should place on just seeing the two of them together is up to our own judgement and deductive reasoning.

Wow. Did not know that.
Not the first time I've spoken too soon, if indeed I did.

-slym

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:49 pm

*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.

I'd spank her. Particularly with her hair grown out like in 4001.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:10 pm

Chiclo wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.
I'd spank her. Particularly with her hair grown out like in 4001.

And with the wispy clothes she liked to wear, you wouldn't have to pull the pants down to spank her.

I would anyway, but one wouldn't have to.....

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:19 pm

Umm...

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:20 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Umm...

Yeah, ummm.
So who do you think is the most important Valiant villian??

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:23 pm

Harada... definitely Harada.

-slym

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:23 pm

Looks like Master D'arque is staying within striking distance in the voting.

That's my guy!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:08 pm

No love for Mme Noir?

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:06 pm

One thing I liked about the early Valaints was that most of our "heroes" had enough problems with out major villians messing up their game.

Aric = adjusting to the modern world
Solar = to what he had done and what he had become
Jack = what was happening to him at night
Harby kids = just trying to be kids

But as for the question.... Harada most important, Darque, much more cooler!

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:35 pm

I think that's a good point you make about the heroes having other problems instead of many major villians to deal with, and that seems to be a trait of Shooter's concept for a comic universe.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:12 pm

ya I wonder where dc got the idea from in the last few years ???
big V

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:17 pm

I wonder where Jimmy got the idea?

Oh, yeah. Stan Lee.

[said with respect to both of them]

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:11 am

comicmark wrote:
slym2none wrote:
comicmark wrote:
Second_Death wrote:

Discussion is now over. We have our answer.
Fortunately, Massarsky is gone from Valiant for good, so he's not eligible for a vote.
Don't speak too soon. I'm not saying he is part of DNV, but he has been seen with one of the owners. Now, to what value we should place on just seeing the two of them together is up to our own judgement and deductive reasoning.

-slym
Wow. Did not know that.
Not the first time I've spoken too soon, if indeed I did.

Anyone got anything further on this?

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:38 am

Leon - IMO, the sighting of Massarsky and J. Kothari in NYC together was probably just that. Massarsky is a lawyer, and he could have been using that angle to help DNV get along, but (again, IMO) there is no direct involvement, i.e., S.M. having a position in DNV.

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:25 am

Let's just hope that back stabber has no other involvement this time around other than signing over some paper work.

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