Who's the most important villian in the Valiant universe?

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:53 pm

Just wondering who people think is the most important Valiant villian: Harada, Master D'arque, or someone else?

thePike · Post by **thePike** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:59 pm

Hard to say really, but when in doubt, always suspect the villain who is more behind the scenes. Besides, according to Rai #0, Harada is around causing problems a lot longer than Darque is...

Darques_Emporium · Post by **Darques_Emporium** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:31 pm

Darque caused the kind of trouble I like seeing though. He was a huge headache for most of the Valiant characters, so he does sit high on the list. He is my favorite of the villians though.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:52 pm

I'd have to say Harada.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:44 am

I have to go with big H just because he causes trouble for 2000 years

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:00 am

Master D. Cause he did it near naked.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:00 am

While fighting naked can be difficult, Darque didn't really fight.

Besides, Harada is sorta like Dr. Doom of the VU - ultra-smart, ultra-powerful (yes, DD isn't exactly like Harada, but you get my drift) and had a knack for scheming and plotting.

Either of those two villains can give most anyone a run for their money, but Doom isn't VALIANT.

Harada it is.

-slym

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:18 am

Other. Meaning both. As well as any other good VALIANT villain. Bythat I mean it is relative, they are important to the books they appear in. Thus I'd add Sosa because of his appearances across a couple titles and the fact that he was an evil *SQUEE*. I'd add Dr Eclipse because he was a cool looking villain (well to me he was), which is always good. I'd say none is more important, it is just that some get more story time.

Great heroes need great villains.

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:47 am

leonmallett wrote:Great heroes need great villains.

Yet Valiant had some Great Heroes and only two "Great" Villians... three if you count Mothergod.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:32 am

Well, beyond Unity... was Erica Pierce all that 'important?'

-slym

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:38 am

slym2none wrote:Well, beyond Unity... was Erica Pierce all that 'important?'

-slym

You've read beyond Unity?

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:42 am

Chiclo wrote:
slym2none wrote:Well, beyond Unity... was Erica Pierce all that 'important?'

-slym
You've read beyond Unity?

All the way to Chaos Effect. That's when I stopped buying them - didn't you read my "My VALIANT" story???

-slym

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:10 am

She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate.

But she was a good villian.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:13 am

*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.

Deathmate (or as it's known around here, 'toilet paper') doesn't really count, though.

-slym

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:58 am

slym2none wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.
Deathmate (or as it's known around here, 'toilet paper') doesn't really count, though.

-slym

Butit'sincontinuityintheworld-outside-your-windowandtherewashardscience inthereandbynotwantingDeathmateyouwantDC-litewitha-goat-on-first-name-terms-with-the-LegionofSuperHeroes.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:59 am

leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.
Deathmate (or as it's known around here, 'toilet paper') doesn't really count, though.

-slym
Butit'sincontinuityintheworld-outside-your-windowandtherewashardscience inthereandbynotwantingDeathmateyouwantDC-litewitha-goat-on-first-name-terms-with-the-LegionofSuperHeroes.

*AHEM*

Please read your own sig-quote.

-slym

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:01 am

slym2none wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
slym2none wrote:
*SQUEE* wrote:She turned up to get spanked in Deathmate. But she was a good villian.
Deathmate (or as it's known around here, 'toilet paper') doesn't really count, though.

-slym
Butit'sincontinuityintheworld-outside-your-windowandtherewashardscience inthereandbynotwantingDeathmateyouwantDC-litewitha-goat-on-first-name-terms-with-the-LegionofSuperHeroes.
*AHEM*

Please read your own sig-quote.

-slym

Sorry:

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:18 am

There seemed to be about 5 villains in Valiant that were memorable but

Toyo Harada-after Harbinger #25, he seems to disappear form VH1
the most believable of the villains.

Master Darque-Powerful but on a pure visual level he's looks like a wuss,
I prefer the VH2's visual look. He looks like he could kill Shadowman or
any body else for that matter.

Mothergod-stuck in a wormhole after Unity. She's my favorite villain.

Dr. Eclipse-cool looking villain but other than that totally forgettable.

The Spider Aliens-like Harada they they seem to disappear after The Destroyer arc in Solar, Man of the Atom I guess he wiped them out.

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:44 am

Valiant needed a few more bad guys IMO. Perhaps turn one of the "Good Guys" evil in the new Valiant? Or bring back Mothergod. Could even bring back Erica as the new "Solar" Type.

Sven · Post by **Sven** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:59 am

HISSSSS!

. . I was supposed to be bad . .

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:11 am

Sven wrote:HISSSSS!

. . I was supposed to be bad . .

Are your villainous efforts not being sufficiently recognised, Sven?

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:13 am

I vote Sven !!!

(because I fear for my life . . )

Sven · Post by **Sven** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:56 am

Shouldn't there be a choissse about ice cream?

Come get some ice cream, humansss. . I have some . . come clossser . . to get ssome and I wil devour you . . IT! I mean . . I will devour it with you.

Yesss . .

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:25 pm

Sven wrote:HISSSSS!

. . I was supposed to be bad . .

Damn self righteous spider aliens. Allways thinking they are badder than the rest of the villains. Wheres the industrial strength raid at?

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:29 pm

I always thought Harada was a perfect villain. He had his own goals that he believed in, and he was willing to get his hands messy to achieve them, but he wasn't bad just for the sake of being bad. His goals and methods were just counter to the Valiant heroes goals and methods, and that's where he got into conflicts. He was really machiavellian, which I can understand and appreciate.

Just a thought: Everyone keeps mentioning how Erica was gone after Unity, but that was the Erica from 4001. If DNV starts up in the modern age continuing from the old Valiant continuity, or post-Unity continuity, whatever, The Erica of 2007 will be alive and well, in hiding with Albert. She could easily be a covert villain in DNV.

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Who's the most important villian in the Valiant universe?

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Who's the most important villian in the Valiant universe?