Just bought Rai #3 and #4 on ebay

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:53 am

Hi, I have been searching for a one source to sell me Rai #3 and #4. I immediately clicked BUY IT NOW for $49.99 + $10.00 shipping when I found one on ebay with NM/NM+ on both Rai #3 and #4.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... &rd=1&rd=1

However, I just learned that Rai #3 isn't NM/NM+ since the cover has a bad misprint cut.

Did I do okay? Did I get ripped off? What will happen if I send that Rai #3 to CGC?

Thanks.

P.S. I haven't sent him the payment yet, I might negiotate him if you agree that #3 isn't NM/NM+.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:55 am

A "mis-cut" such as seen on the Rai #3 will only keep a book from getting a perfect 10.0.

Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it.

-slym

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:56 am

A good portion of the print run for Rai 3 was poorly cut.

This site is a wealth of information on all things Valiant.

Here is the page on the Rai 3 issue:

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/issue.asp?cn=468

And here is an image showing some of the mis-cut Rai 3s.

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/images/rai3top.jpg

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:33 am

That's awesome. I'm glad to purchase them already. Thanks people.

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:26 am

Naw, it's still a good book.

And, welcome to the board!

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:41 am

Right now its still a good book.

But the more you stay on these boards, the more it will gnaw away at you, until you just can't take it anymore and you upgrade to a well centred one, possibly for more money than you can afford. The copy you hold in your hand becoming nothing but an ugly and inferior eyesore in your "precious" collection of comics.

Welcome to the boards

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:49 am

cobra_commander wrote:Right now its still a good book.

But the more you stay on these boards, the more it will gnaw away at you, until you just can't take it anymore and you upgrade to a well centred one, possibly for more money than you can afford. The copy you hold in your hand becoming nothing but an ugly and inferior eyesore in your "precious" collection of comics.

Welcome to the boards

Thanx CC, now I feel just a little bit less satisfied with my collection.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:26 am

I would be more concerned with the guy's ability to grade than I would be with the miscut. The books are worth the money if they are truely in NM+ condition.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:02 am

cobra_commander wrote:Right now its still a good book.

But the more you stay on these boards, the more it will gnaw away at you, until you just can't take it anymore and you upgrade to a well centred one, possibly for more money than you can afford. The copy you hold in your hand becoming nothing but an ugly and inferior eyesore in your "precious" collection of comics.

Welcome to the boards

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Ricomortis · Post by **Ricomortis** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:21 am

Zero wrote:I would be more concerned with the guy's ability to grade than I would be with the miscut. The books are worth the money if they are truely in NM+ condition.

99.9% of the problem with e-bay and MOST <not all> dealers I have come across.

However I think CGC aware dealers and sellers are becoming MORE in tune with what these grades are and will/ are becoming more reliable on their grades. But, like I said, FEW and FAR between.

Rico

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:25 am

Ricomortis wrote:
Zero wrote:I would be more concerned with the guy's ability to grade than I would be with the miscut. The books are worth the money if they are truely in NM+ condition.

99.9% of the problem with e-bay and MOST <not all> dealers I have come across.

However I think CGC aware dealers and sellers are becoming MORE in tune with what these grades are and will/ are becoming more reliable on their grades. But, like I said, FEW and FAR between.

Rico

Yes, I give it a 25% chance or either book being NM/NM+ before they were shipped. About a 10% chance after they are shipped and get to you. A miscut will be the least of your worries.

Of course, we all get lucky and I hope they are 9.9s for you.

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:05 am

Thanks for making me feel like a home here. Once I got the comics, I'll take a high resolution scan on both of them and show them to you, if you still care.

Ricomortis · Post by **Ricomortis** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:24 am

Jay Tomio wrote:10%

CKB and Rico are way too optimistic. Allow me to be the boogieman

The problem with early VALIANT is that both front and back covers can look flawless but then you turn that *SQUEE* over and look at the spine and you just want to tape a piece of paper with 'Ebay' written on it on someone you hate and beat the *SQUEE* out of them.

How many Ra#5 NM/M must be bought for us to learn our lesson!

Back to Banner...

Good haul and welcome to the boards!

However many it takes.... however many it takes!

10% is still high. I only gave a .01% of a chance of them being said grade.

Rico

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:14 pm

Ricomortis wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:10%

CKB and Rico are way too optimistic. Allow me to be the boogieman

The problem with early VALIANT is that both front and back covers can look flawless but then you turn that *SQUEE* over and look at the spine and you just want to tape a piece of paper with 'Ebay' written on it on someone you hate and beat the *SQUEE* out of them.

How many Ra#5 NM/M must be bought for us to learn our lesson!

Back to Banner...

Good haul and welcome to the boards!

However many it takes.... however many it takes!

10% is still high. I only gave a .01% of a chance of them being said grade.

Rico

I was trying to be nice.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:54 am

Is there any info on how many were centered as a percent ??? I got 1 well centered one form a lcs a while back any ideas and would It commend a premium??

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:59 am

Centered Rai 3s will pull a bit more money, but only if they're high grade along with being well centered.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:26 am

superman-prime wrote:Is there any info on how many were centered as a percent ??? I got 1 well centered one form a lcs a while back any ideas and would It commend a premium??

I would say maybe 1 in 4 are centered. If that many.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:10 am

nice

don't see many of those

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:24 am

Well done Jay, that looks like a great book

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:47 am

Nice cut on that book for sure. I have a 9.8 CGC and yours has a much better cut then that one.

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:53 am

Jay that one looks sick, are you gonna send it to CGC? It seems deserve to have one.

I got Rai #3 and 4 arrived in mail. I have to take good pictures of them since I notice some "hard to see" flaws. I have a feeling they both will be 9.4-9.6-ish.

That's cool to have them, but I'd listen to you people since you're expertise on them.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:17 pm

Out of my dozen or so #3's, four are centered with three of those well-centered. Not even my CGC 9.6 is centered at all...

-slym

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:09 pm

slym2none wrote:Out of my dozen or so #3's, four are centered with three of those well-centered. Not even my CGC 9.6 is centered at all...

-slym

Well I know that you had at least one more Rai #3 than you have now....

And mine is not the only one that was formerly in your collection, that has now moved to someone else's collection.....

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:08 am

Elveen wrote:
slym2none wrote:Out of my dozen or so #3's, four are centered with three of those well-centered. Not even my CGC 9.6 is centered at all...

-slym

Well I know that you had at least one more Rai #3 than you have now....

And mine is not the only one that was formerly in your collection, that has now moved to someone else's collection.....

Really? Paying it forward, are we???

-slym (wonders who owns his old comics now)

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:07 pm

slym2none wrote:
Elveen wrote:
slym2none wrote:Out of my dozen or so #3's, four are centered with three of those well-centered. Not even my CGC 9.6 is centered at all...

-slym

Well I know that you had at least one more Rai #3 than you have now....

And mine is not the only one that was formerly in your collection, that has now moved to someone else's collection.....
Really? Paying it forward, are we???

-slym (wonders who owns his old comics now)

I have "payed" it forward, but not with these books...... I just know that I am not the only one who has benefitted from your Rai generosity.....