Gold Valiants 4 Sale..

chainnball · Post by **chainnball** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:04 pm

What drove the prices up until now was the relative difficulty to find high grade copies. Now, knowing that these are out there in untouched minty condition greatly reduces the value in my mind. He is not a comic collector, and won't stop selling them to save the value. he has a business, and is selling these books for someone also not in the hobby, but just looking for what they can get out of these. There is no vested interest in stopping after 50 and sitting on them for a year like you and I would do. Just knowing there is a cache of mint books available to the collectors market greatly diminishes the value in most knowledgable collectors minds, as it should. He is a nice guy, and supplying nice books to the Valiant community, but he is also a business man, and this is why I don't own the whole palletful of these. Use common sense and don't overpay! even if VALIANT makes a comeback, you cannot look past the amount of minty books available.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:29 pm

even if he had 100 of each

We saw numbers from 250-600 of each.

goki31 · Post by **goki31** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:29 pm

The point still comes in play that he has them and willing to get rid of them and maybe not at the price you are willing to pay. Whether he is a businessman or whatever doesn't show that he is selfish and not willing to let some go. Now, I can see he's selfish if he had all those and are not willing to sell on Ebay or anyone of us for that matter. On the note of your reply Chainball is that those Valiants whether there GOLD or not are valuble to me even if it was worthless. Why? Because I didn't sit back and click away to get those books. Yes. I did it the hard way and that's driving to the stores and getting them. Some peeps don't have the internet luxury than and maybe they do now, but appreciate the time that it takes them to find the ones they need. Let me ask you something Chainball? So are you one of them that would rather they make 10 Valiant books for sale to the public because they add value to your collection or would you like to have a decent amount of those books so that you can actually know what the story is about? I'm first Reader than a Collector.. If I don't get the chance to have one in my hands so that I may read it and not be told by someone else --> than what good is it?

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:32 pm

goki31 wrote:The point still comes in play that he has them and willing to get rid of them and maybe not at the price you are willing to pay. Whether he is a businessman or whatever doesn't show that he is selfish and not willing to let some go. Now, I can see he's selfish if he had all those and are not willing to sell on Ebay or anyone of us for that matter. On the note of your reply Chainball is that those Valiants whether there GOLD or not are valuble to me even if it was worthless. Why? Because I didn't sit back and click away to get those books. Yes. I did it the hard way and that's driving to the stores and getting them. Some peeps don't have the internet luxury than and maybe they do now, but appreciate the time that it takes them to find the ones they need. Let me ask you something Chainball? So are you one of them that would rather they make 10 Valiant books for sale to the public because they add value to your collection or would you like to have a decent amount of those books so that you can actually know what the story is about? I'm first Reader than a Collector.. If I don't get the chance to have one in my hands so that I may read it and not be told by someone else --> than what good is it?

Ummm...What?? You are reading gold books? The point is these are gold books - no one is reading them.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:33 pm

ckb wrote:
goki31 wrote:The point still comes in play that he has them and willing to get rid of them and maybe not at the price you are willing to pay. Whether he is a businessman or whatever doesn't show that he is selfish and not willing to let some go. Now, I can see he's selfish if he had all those and are not willing to sell on Ebay or anyone of us for that matter. On the note of your reply Chainball is that those Valiants whether there GOLD or not are valuble to me even if it was worthless. Why? Because I didn't sit back and click away to get those books. Yes. I did it the hard way and that's driving to the stores and getting them. Some peeps don't have the internet luxury than and maybe they do now, but appreciate the time that it takes them to find the ones they need. Let me ask you something Chainball? So are you one of them that would rather they make 10 Valiant books for sale to the public because they add value to your collection or would you like to have a decent amount of those books so that you can actually know what the story is about? I'm first Reader than a Collector.. If I don't get the chance to have one in my hands so that I may read it and not be told by someone else --> than what good is it?
Ummm...What?? You are reading gold books? The point is these are gold books - no one is reading them.

You beat me to that one.

chainnball · Post by **chainnball** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:41 pm

Thanks CKB...

Part of my deal in buying all the gold books was to supply them to the members here close to cost. these are a premium book, not meant to be read, but collected. Want the story? Read the non gold version...

chainnball · Post by **chainnball** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:44 pm

Boy...Zeph would have fun with this thread...

goki31 · Post by **goki31** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:48 pm

Why not? Because the book is special means you can't read it. Or because the book is very valuable and that's why you shouldn't? I really don't care how valuable they are only so I can actually read it and keep it for my collection. And if you want to know the extent of how far I would go to reading a valuable book we can settle for Action Comics #1.. To me the book is worthless if you can't read it. That is my opinion.. I am not looking for the value of the book. I am looking for how good the book is to me as a READ.. The books are valuable because people make it so.. And just like anything else that's collectible out there.. If you want to say I'm crazy than be it.. But I'm foremost reader first than anything... On that note, I think it means more that I read off the special or valuable comics because I don't limit myself to how valuable or rare the books are.. And yes, I could read the non gold books but what's the fun in that..
Keep it real and be realistic that not everything for your enjoyment should be haulted by a huge price tag. Lastly, if your the one that bought it do what you please with it...

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:50 pm

So you're going to buy a Armorines 0 standalone for $25 to read it, instead of buying a copy of X-O 25 for $0.50? Got it.

Ricomortis · Post by **Ricomortis** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:57 pm

goki31 wrote:Why not? Because the book is special means you can't read it. Or because the book is very valuable and that's why you shouldn't? I really don't care how valuable they are only so I can actually read it and keep it for my collection. And if you want to know the extent of how far I would go to reading a valuable book we can settle for Action Comics #1.. To me the book is worthless if you can't read it. That is my opinion.. I am not looking for the value of the book. I am looking for how good the book is to me as a READ.. The books are valuable because people make it so.. And just like anything else that's collectible out there.. If you want to say I'm crazy than be it.. But I'm foremost reader first than anything... On that note, I think it means more that I read off the special or valuable comics because I don't limit myself to how valuable or rare the books are.. And yes, I could read the non gold books but what's the fun in that..
Keep it real and be realistic that not everything for your enjoyment should be haulted by a huge price tag. Lastly, if your the one that bought it do what you please with it...

I will do with it what I please.... and I choose to slab the piece of *SQUEE*.

Besides... reading is overated.

Rico

goki31 · Post by **goki31** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:01 am

Whether you bought it for .50cent or $10,000 doesn't really matter to me..What matters is what and which ones I choose to read at my own leisure. On that note, just because I bought a GOLD for $25 doesn't necessarily mean that I have the .50cent ones to read with.. You are presuming that everyone has every copy wether is GOLD or not here. No,
don't do that... Again, whatever I paid on it will get read and not slabbed right away so I can hope to gain value on it. Speaking of slabbing your comics I think those are pretty well set in STONE.. I mean when your comics becomes worthless is that when you will decide wether you want to take a crack at it so you can maybe read it? Should you wait til is worthless or should you try reading it now?

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:04 am

People slab comics to sell. Period. On that note I am going to go cook some Pasta Roni and eat. At 12 a.m.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:05 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've read a Unity 0 Red.

My first one that I got ($2.99, slightly less than $8 after shipping and it came with 8 other comics, some signed) was not stored well and was in VF condition. I have cracked it open and read it.

Haven't read the CEAR, though.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:07 am

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period. On that note I am going to go cook some Pasta Roni and eat. At 12 a.m.

That was some good pasta roni.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:14 am

goki31 wrote:Whether you bought it for .50cent or $10,000 doesn't really matter to me..What matters is what and which ones I choose to read at my own leisure. On that note, just because I bought a GOLD for $25 doesn't necessarily mean that I have the .50cent ones to read with.. You are presuming that everyone has every copy wether is GOLD or not here. No,
don't do that... Again, whatever I paid on it will get read and not slabbed right away so I can hope to gain value on it. Speaking of slabbing your comics I think those are pretty well set in STONE.. I mean when your comics becomes worthless is that when you will decide wether you want to take a crack at it so you can maybe read it? Should you wait til is worthless or should you try reading it now?

Jesus Christ. If this isn't the best place for that head slamming into a brick wall emoticon that they use on the CGC boards, then I don't know what would be.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:15 am

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period.

I can't even going to respond to this.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:16 am

400yrs wrote:
goki31 wrote:Whether you bought it for .50cent or $10,000 doesn't really matter to me..What matters is what and which ones I choose to read at my own leisure. On that note, just because I bought a GOLD for $25 doesn't necessarily mean that I have the .50cent ones to read with.. You are presuming that everyone has every copy wether is GOLD or not here. No,
don't do that... Again, whatever I paid on it will get read and not slabbed right away so I can hope to gain value on it. Speaking of slabbing your comics I think those are pretty well set in STONE.. I mean when your comics becomes worthless is that when you will decide wether you want to take a crack at it so you can maybe read it? Should you wait til is worthless or should you try reading it now?
Jesus Christ. If this isn't the best place for that head slamming into a brick wall emoticon that they use on the CGC boards, then I don't know what would be.

To each their own. If he wants to read a CEAR or a unity red or a gold, his perogative. I can't say I would but then again I would not fork out the money for any of those in the first place.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:19 am

400yrs wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period.

I can't even going to respond to this.

What's the purpose of it if they don't sell them? I can't see how it really improves on protecting a comic. You can buy a case and put a comic in it if that's what you want. Probably a better case. So you have a 9.8 or 9.6 or w/e graded comic. So? All it does is help it sell at a higher price. Which is why people do it. What's the point in forking out big money for a graded comic when you can buy the same ungraded comic for a lesser price?

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:24 am

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:
400yrs wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period.

I can't even going to respond to this.
What's the purpose of it if they don't sell them? I can't see how it really improves on protecting a comic. You can buy a case and put a comic in it if that's what you want. Probably a better case. So you have a 9.8 or 9.6 or w/e graded comic. So? All it does is help it sell at a higher price. Which is why people do it. What's the point in forking out big money for a graded comic when you can buy the same ungraded comic for a lesser price?

Because if it's ungraded you don't know what the grade is.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:25 am

ckb wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:
400yrs wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period.

I can't even going to respond to this.
What's the purpose of it if they don't sell them? I can't see how it really improves on protecting a comic. You can buy a case and put a comic in it if that's what you want. Probably a better case. So you have a 9.8 or 9.6 or w/e graded comic. So? All it does is help it sell at a higher price. Which is why people do it. What's the point in forking out big money for a graded comic when you can buy the same ungraded comic for a lesser price?
Because if it's ungraded you don't know what the grade is.

Simple, yet true. Why worry about the grade to begin with? I just don't understand the purpose of forking out extra money for a graded comic. I shall continue posting after my 10-11 hour nap.

Ben(inabox) · Post by **Ben(inabox)** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:05 am

For me, getting comics graded isn't necessarily about reselling it. Like CKB said, it is about knowing the grade. And also, in theory, about keeping it in that grade "forever". Shipping, sunlight, and water will not change the grade of it. Also, Most comics are not in the 9.4 to 9.8 condition. If it is important to you why not protect this *rare* condition... which brings up...

goki31 wrote:
Whether you bought it for .50cent or $10,000 doesn't really matter to me..What matters is what and which ones I choose to read at my own leisure. On that note, just because I bought a GOLD for $25 doesn't necessarily mean that I have the .50cent ones to read with.. You are presuming that everyone has every copy wether is GOLD or not here. No,
don't do that... Again, whatever I paid on it will get read and not slabbed right away so I can hope to gain value on it. Speaking of slabbing your comics I think those are pretty well set in STONE.. I mean when your comics becomes worthless is that when you will decide wether you want to take a crack at it so you can maybe read it? Should you wait til is worthless or should you try reading it now?

No matter if you read the regular, chromium, gold or vvss Shadowman #0, it is the same story. Comic Books are condition sensitive. Given a choice, I would want to read the chrome #0, because it is the most common, and certainly the cheapest. The rest are collectors items. You are paying for the variant and the condition of the variant. If you want to read all your variants, fine, whatever turns your crank. But if you are really all about the reading, why spend all the extra money for a variant? Why bother with variants at all? Why buy a first edition of Moby Dick when Penguin Classics has the same story still in print and readily available?

I'm not even sure if I like variants, but I have been bitten by the %100 bug, so like pokemon, I gotta catch'em all! So that is my vested interest in it. People collect for various things for various reasons, but if you just want to read comics, why bother paying more than you need to?

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:31 am

Ricomortis wrote:
goki31 wrote:Why not? Because the book is special means you can't read it. Or because the book is very valuable and that's why you shouldn't? I really don't care how valuable they are only so I can actually read it and keep it for my collection. And if you want to know the extent of how far I would go to reading a valuable book we can settle for Action Comics #1.. To me the book is worthless if you can't read it. That is my opinion.. I am not looking for the value of the book. I am looking for how good the book is to me as a READ.. The books are valuable because people make it so.. And just like anything else that's collectible out there.. If you want to say I'm crazy than be it.. But I'm foremost reader first than anything... On that note, I think it means more that I read off the special or valuable comics because I don't limit myself to how valuable or rare the books are.. And yes, I could read the non gold books but what's the fun in that..
Keep it real and be realistic that not everything for your enjoyment should be haulted by a huge price tag. Lastly, if your the one that bought it do what you please with it...
I will do with it what I please.... and I choose to slab the piece of *SQUEE*.

Besides... reading is overated.

Rico

Well, I rade much beeter since I wunt to skools to lern good rading.

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:32 am

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:
400yrs wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:People slab comics to sell. Period.

I can't even going to respond to this.
What's the purpose of it if they don't sell them? I can't see how it really improves on protecting a comic. You can buy a case and put a comic in it if that's what you want. Probably a better case. So you have a 9.8 or 9.6 or w/e graded comic. So? All it does is help it sell at a higher price. Which is why people do it. What's the point in forking out big money for a graded comic when you can buy the same ungraded comic for a lesser price?

Because they are so beautiful to look at!

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:34 am

400yrs wrote:
goki31 wrote:Whether you bought it for .50cent or $10,000 doesn't really matter to me..What matters is what and which ones I choose to read at my own leisure. On that note, just because I bought a GOLD for $25 doesn't necessarily mean that I have the .50cent ones to read with.. You are presuming that everyone has every copy wether is GOLD or not here. No,
don't do that... Again, whatever I paid on it will get read and not slabbed right away so I can hope to gain value on it. Speaking of slabbing your comics I think those are pretty well set in STONE.. I mean when your comics becomes worthless is that when you will decide wether you want to take a crack at it so you can maybe read it? Should you wait til is worthless or should you try reading it now?
Jesus Christ. If this isn't the best place for that head slamming into a brick wall emoticon that they use on the CGC boards, then I don't know what would be.

Your powers of ESP are astounding, my Valiant brother!

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:14 am

400yrs wrote:
chainnball wrote:The problem is Rhett has been fortunate enough to have a few bidders/speculators/newbies bid silly money on some of his auctions, therefore creating an artificial demand. I've explained to him this is not the norm, and hey, more power to him, but I will not pay even half of the going or guide price of these books knowing there is 500 mint copies of each just waiting to hit the market.
Nope. In bulk, I'd be willing to do $5 - $8 on those depending on the book. This WILL be another X-O 1/2 situation in the future. CKB is right.

I'd agree with that.

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