Should Barry Windsor-Smith & Bob Layton be brought back?

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:11 pm

DK2 wrote:
Stinger wrote:I still don't get why Shooter and his gang fell apart after Unity. All I know was that Shooter left and started Defiant comics.

I still have no clue why Shooter would want to be back to Valiant again, but it will be rise if Shooter wants to make more money. I'm sure Shooter have seen better paid job when he was working with Valiant.

That would be very sick-smart if Shooter comes back to resurrect Valiant comics for making a new movie. Look what happened to Transformers lately.
Shooter was forced out, or fired by his co-ownership partners at Voyager Communications, Inc., Valiant's parent company, at the time he left, something like that, which of course was unfortunate at the time it happened (I think they were trying to sell off Valiant, which Shooter didn't want happen I think, maybe I'm wrong, or was it over the company's direction?). They even dumped some of the Valiant people who were very loyal to him, leaving them unemployed, which was just stupid. Shooter of course brought them over to help him create Defiant Comics, and later on, Broadway Comics.

Bob Layton was promoted as the new boss (Editor-in-Chief and Senior Vice President) of Valiant by the owners to take over Shooter's role. I think Layton was possibly one of those who didn't like Shooter either, I'm not sure (I'm pretty sure Layton doesn't like Shooter, so maybe a reunion between them at the new Valiant would be a bad idea if such a thing was to happen). When Layton took over, Valiant was still strong going into 1993 and 1994, but after that, Valiant's sale to Acclaim is what I think killed the company by 1996, ending the VH1 era. Layton himself bowed out, leaving things to dry as things fell apart at Valiant.

I think Windsor-Smith was one of the people who supported Shooter, even after Shooter was fired from Valiant, Windsor-Smith stayed on a bit longer post-Shooter era, continuiing his role as mentor to the young artists of Valiant. I think the Valiant bosses promoted Windsor-Smith didn't they? From what I've heard though, Windsor-Smith's new position was never clear as to what his new role was, and I think he left over that dispute. This was when he would go off to Malibu Comics to create Rune I think.

That's the problem when you work for a huge corporation with executive officers don't understand much about comic books. All they cared is the full control and movement, so Jim Shooter seems want to take a control on Valiant - so he'll get auto-fired. That'll make sense.

I guess right now Valiant is dead so they seem give Jim Shooter a shot.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:55 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Lightning Strike wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote:lol.. then DNV would tank from the start..

comparing BWS and Liefield is just WRONG!!

Shooter in charge, Layton on writing and drawing, BWS on drawing and some writing... Quesada as an artist, ok..
......and Liefeld on feet
Someone has a foot fetish for Leifeld
Eww...

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:57 pm

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:01 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:
Heath wrote:If it were up to me, I'd definitely bring back Layton. He's been pretty good to the fans and obviously has a fondness for the Valiant universe and characters.

BWS, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Yeah, he's a great artist and I think Valiant's downhill slide really began with his departure, but he draws the same face on every character and it gets really old after a while.
I think both would make great additions, but I agree about BWS's drawing of faces as well. I wonder if he does that when he's rushed? This was very apparent in Unity where Erica and her son looked identical at many places.

Yeah, you'd think they were related.

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:36 am

Whats up with Liefeld and foot fetish? It seems like he got an affair with a foot fetish porn star or something..

Honestly from what I remember, Liefeld was a spoiled kid with high expectation out of him. He got spoiled so bad that he drew bad comic books and *SQUEE* up his new business.

Youngblood was the hype that it could overshadow x-men or something.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:32 am

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:23 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:

It was disturbing before you animated it.

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:40 pm

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:51 pm

Heath wrote:

Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:57 pm

I think I used Ivar twice, but other than that - unless I overlooked something - they are all different characters.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:02 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Heath wrote:
Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .

Hey, why is Gilad wearing Thor's helmet......

myron · Post by **myron** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:06 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
It was disturbing before you animated it.

where is that top down version...

ahhh...here it is ...

previous image from the top...

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:46 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Heath wrote:
Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .
Hey, why is Gilad wearing Thor's helmet......

Is that Gilad? Maybe it's Archer. Or perhaps it's Conan?

Seriously though, I do love BWS's artwork. Really, I do. Even if he draws every face the same. John Byrne does the same thing and I love his work too.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:31 am

So does John Buscema. Actually, he co-authored the book on it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0907610 ... eader-link

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:10 am

Heath wrote: I do love BWS's artwork. Really, I do. Even if he draws every face the same.

Where's a pic of Storm from Uncanny #186???

-slym (loves the BWS artwork, too.)

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:11 am

At least Forge's face is different! ("It's, like, a beard...")

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:44 am

Hmm...look like brother and sister.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:46 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Hmm...look like brother and sister.

When did Magnus start coming out of the Stargate?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:56 am

leonmallett wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Hmm...look like brother and sister.
When did Magnus start coming out of the Stargate?

A couple of days ago.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:58 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Hmm...look like brother and sister.
When did Magnus start coming out of the Stargate?
A couple of days ago.

Cool!

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:11 am

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Heath wrote:
Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .

Exactly. You're so full of sh*t Heath

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:12 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Heath wrote:
Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .
Hey, why is Gilad wearing Thor's helmet......

Thats not Gilad. Thats actually a character from one of his "Storyteller" books I think.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:04 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Heath wrote:
Aw, come on! One face has a visor, one guy has a horn-helmet, two guys have wings on their heads, half are yelling, and they all have the same nose . . .
Hey, why is Gilad wearing Thor's helmet......
Thats not Gilad. Thats actually a character from one of his "Storyteller" books I think.

Hahaha...Dude...I was joking.....

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:24 pm

leonmallett wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Hmm...look like brother and sister.
When did Magnus start coming out of the Stargate?

Right after he broke the door on the closet.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:28 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Hmm...look like brother and sister.
When did Magnus start coming out of the Stargate?
Right after he broke the door on the closet.

Grrrr.....