DC or Marvel - Which is the better comic publisher?

[Todd Luck]

I am, like Depluto, genetically bonded to Marvel.

Both DC and Marvel continuities get messed up all the time so arguing the merits of one over the other in perpetuity seems like arguing that the tide is currently in and therefore will remain so.

However, I prefer Marvel for a couple of reasons, I think the characters are generally better (although Batman and Superman remain two of my favourite characters ever, I relate far more to the Marvel 'blessed and cursed' brand of hero), and I think, generally, the 'key' stories/runs are better.

Dark Phoenix Saga
Elektra Saga
The Death of Gwen Stacey
The Clairmont/Miller Wolverine mini-series
Peter David on X-Factor

etc.

These stories have defined areas of the Marvel Universe in important and lasting ways, when it comes to DC I don't know what the character defining stories are (with exception some Batman tales).

Now this might just be a lack of knowledge about DC (I read bits and bobs, but nothing religeously), and I'd be intrigued to hear what the Key stories/runs are on that side of the fence (Wonder Woman, what're her 'key stories'?).

Yeah I think you hit quiet a few nails on the head there. Part of the reason for being able to name key stories for Marvel easier is due to the popularity and dedication of its fan base. Unfortuantely, part of it is also DC's fault since their "keys" tend to get whiped out of continuity (or altered) and swept under the rug. It's hard to even say what key issues are when their status as a part of DC history keeps changing.

Here's a sampling of DC keys and, no, I don't know if half these even exist in DC continuity anymore:

The siver age had a lot of key issues, the early Earth 1/Earth 2 x-over issues, the first so many issues of each new character or concept (including their Showcase try out appearances), the early appearances of Superman's major villains and such. And, of course, you've got classic imaginary stories too like Superman Red/Superman Blue but they don't count continuity wise.

Bronze age has a few like the first Ra's Al Ghul story and Kirby's fourth World stuff (New Gods, Forever People, Jimmy Olsen, half his Mister Miracle run). Alan Moore's Last Superman story and Superman vs Mongul annual weren't nesessarily important continuity-wise but they're very fondly remembered.

Once you got into more Post-Crisis stuff you've got a lot of keys: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Wolfman/Perez Titans, Byrne's Man of Steel miniseries and Superman run, Sandman, Waid's Flash, Batman Year One, Batman Death in the Family, Morrison's JLA, maybe Batman Year Three and Lonely Place of Dying (the origin of modern Robin), and maybe Green Latern Emerald Dawn (if that origin is still in continuity).

Key Wonder Woman issues? Eh, I'd say in Post-Crisis continuity that'd be Perez's stuff he wrote and drew. That redefined the character and was readable (his later stuff when he stopped drawing the title wasn't as good). Maybe Byrne's run too, a few things in there stuck (I didn't like his first year on the book but, after that, I thought his run was a blast).

[siren3-4]

I choose Marvel Baby !!!!!!


Vader chooses . . . .

[leonmallett]

I am, like Depluto, genetically bonded to Marvel.

Both DC and Marvel continuities get messed up all the time so arguing the merits of one over the other in perpetuity seems like arguing that the tide is currently in and therefore will remain so.

However, I prefer Marvel for a couple of reasons, I think the characters are generally better (although Batman and Superman remain two of my favourite characters ever, I relate far more to the Marvel 'blessed and cursed' brand of hero), and I think, generally, the 'key' stories/runs are better.

Dark Phoenix Saga
Elektra Saga
The Death of Gwen Stacey
The Clairmont/Miller Wolverine mini-series
Peter David on X-Factor

etc.

These stories have defined areas of the Marvel Universe in important and lasting ways, when it comes to DC I don't know what the character defining stories are (with exception some Batman tales).

Now this might just be a lack of knowledge about DC (I read bits and bobs, but nothing religeously), and I'd be intrigued to hear what the Key stories/runs are on that side of the fence (Wonder Woman, what're her 'key stories'?).

Yeah I think you hit quiet a nails on the head there. Part of the reason for being able to name key stories for Marvel easier is due to the popularity and dedication of its fan base. Unfortuantely, part of is also DC's fault since their "keys" tend to get whiped out of continuity (or altered) and swept under the rug. It's hard to even say what key issues are when their status as a part of DC history keeps changing.

Here's a sampling of DC keys and, no, I don't know if half these even exist in DC continuity anymore:

The siver age had a lot of key issues, the early Earth 1/Earth 2 x-over issues, the first so many issues of each new character or concept (including their Showcase try out appearances), the early appearances of Superman's major villains and such. And, of course, you've got classic imaginary stories too like Superman Red/Superman Blue but they don't count continuity wise.

Bronze age has a few like the first Ra's Al Ghul story and Kirby's fourth World stuff (New Gods, Forever People, Jimmy Olsen, half his Mister Miracle run). Alan Moore's Last Superman story and Superman vs Mongul annual weren't nesessarily important continuity-wise but they're very fondly remembered.

Once you got into more Post-Crisis stuff you've got a lot of keys: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Wolfman/Perez Titans, Byrne's Man of Steel miniseries and Superman run, Sandman, Waid's Flash, Batman Year One, Batman Death in the Family, Morrison's JLA, maybe Batman Year Three and Lonely Place of Dying (the origin of modern Robin), and maybe Green Latern Emerald Dawn (if that origin is still in continuity).

Key Wonder Woman issues? Eh, I'd say in Post-Crisis continuity that'd be Perez's stuff he wrote and drew. That redefined the character and was readable (his later stuff when he stopped drawing the title wasn't as good). Maybe Byrne's run too, a few things in there stuck (I didn't like his first year on the book but, after that, I thought his run was a blast).

Very good summation.

Just a technical point, but arguably some of the best Wolfman/Perez Titans were pre-Crisis.

And for completeness, what about the 'Great Darkness Saga' (LoSH) as a key? Or Kingdom Come - especially as we may see more of this Dc timeline through JSA?

[Todd Luck]

DC is so much better than Marvel. Look at the state of the franchise Marvel books compared to what they used to be since Queseda too over as EIC:

-The X-books are a mess (except for X-Factor--thank goodness for PAD)
-Bendis single-handedly ruined the Avengers
-Spiderman hasn't been good in ten years.
-The FF consist of the Thing, Torch, Black Panther and Storm
-Captain America is dead
-Thor is just NOW being published again after two years of nothing.
-Bendis is given carte blanche to do whatever he pleases (continuity be damned)

Wow, I'm depressed just reading about that mess.

No doubt.

Well less look at that depressing list:

-The X-books are a mess- That's unusual? LOL
-Bendis ruining Avengers- I have no idea. I don't what he doesn't like about his run so it's hard to comment.
-Spiderman- How could anyone not like JMS's run on Spiderman? This is definately the best run in over a decade (probably longer). It brings the concept back around to the quirky, character-driven, human, original stories that defined the character and developed Mary Jane and Aunt May, who had been 2-D cliches for years, into intelligent, well rounded, human characters every bit as interesting as Peter Parker.
-Yes FF had a rooster change. It's not the first time, it won't be the last. But it's only temporary. Judging from covers and solicitations, Reed and Sue are still in the book (even if they are on hiatus at this exact moment).
-Yes, Steve Roger is dead. Were you reading the series and felt this ruined it? Or do you not like the way it was handled? I'm really enjoying the story myself and the way different reactions to the death are being explored in Fallen Son.
-Thor- So what if he wasn't around for a couple years? He's here now with a new series that will kick so much a** it's not even funny. I'd enjoy that rather than lament the lost time.
-Bendis does whatever he pleases- I seriously doubt that. Nothing gets done on these titles without approval from editorial higher ups (and maybe even some people who are above them). I don't what he's refering to specifically on Bendis not caring about continuity so it's hard to comment. I know the Avengers Illumanti special was full of marvel history.

[SnotDrip]

Where's the Valiant option ?

[Todd Luck]

I am, like Depluto, genetically bonded to Marvel.

Both DC and Marvel continuities get messed up all the time so arguing the merits of one over the other in perpetuity seems like arguing that the tide is currently in and therefore will remain so.

However, I prefer Marvel for a couple of reasons, I think the characters are generally better (although Batman and Superman remain two of my favourite characters ever, I relate far more to the Marvel 'blessed and cursed' brand of hero), and I think, generally, the 'key' stories/runs are better.

Dark Phoenix Saga
Elektra Saga
The Death of Gwen Stacey
The Clairmont/Miller Wolverine mini-series
Peter David on X-Factor

etc.

These stories have defined areas of the Marvel Universe in important and lasting ways, when it comes to DC I don't know what the character defining stories are (with exception some Batman tales).

Now this might just be a lack of knowledge about DC (I read bits and bobs, but nothing religeously), and I'd be intrigued to hear what the Key stories/runs are on that side of the fence (Wonder Woman, what're her 'key stories'?).

Yeah I think you hit quiet a nails on the head there. Part of the reason for being able to name key stories for Marvel easier is due to the popularity and dedication of its fan base. Unfortuantely, part of is also DC's fault since their "keys" tend to get whiped out of continuity (or altered) and swept under the rug. It's hard to even say what key issues are when their status as a part of DC history keeps changing.

Here's a sampling of DC keys and, no, I don't know if half these even exist in DC continuity anymore:

The siver age had a lot of key issues, the early Earth 1/Earth 2 x-over issues, the first so many issues of each new character or concept (including their Showcase try out appearances), the early appearances of Superman's major villains and such. And, of course, you've got classic imaginary stories too like Superman Red/Superman Blue but they don't count continuity wise.

Bronze age has a few like the first Ra's Al Ghul story and Kirby's fourth World stuff (New Gods, Forever People, Jimmy Olsen, half his Mister Miracle run). Alan Moore's Last Superman story and Superman vs Mongul annual weren't nesessarily important continuity-wise but they're very fondly remembered.

Once you got into more Post-Crisis stuff you've got a lot of keys: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Wolfman/Perez Titans, Byrne's Man of Steel miniseries and Superman run, Sandman, Waid's Flash, Batman Year One, Batman Death in the Family, Morrison's JLA, maybe Batman Year Three and Lonely Place of Dying (the origin of modern Robin), and maybe Green Latern Emerald Dawn (if that origin is still in continuity).

Key Wonder Woman issues? Eh, I'd say in Post-Crisis continuity that'd be Perez's stuff he wrote and drew. That redefined the character and was readable (his later stuff when he stopped drawing the title wasn't as good). Maybe Byrne's run too, a few things in there stuck (I didn't like his first year on the book but, after that, I thought his run was a blast).

Very good summation.

Just a technical point, but arguably some of the best Wolfman/Perez Titans were pre-Crisis.

And for completeness, what about the 'Great Darkness Saga' (LoSH) as a key? Or Kingdom Come - especially as we may see more of this Dc timeline through JSA?

Agreed.

And as far publishing date goes Wolfman/Perez Titans are pre Crisis but since everything they did that didn't involve Wonder Girl stayed 100% intact after Crisis I usually file it as Post-Crisis in my head.

[Chiclo]

Few random observations:

-Is Kingdom Come technically a key for DC's mainstream continuity? That was an elseworlds story and **spoiler**Wonderwoman was pregnant with Superman's baby at the end of the series** and as I understand it, that didn't happen (among many other things) in regular DC continuity. It's also set a ways in the future and drawn by Alex Ross. So, it fits in about like Earth X.

-The X-Books aren't so much in a wreck. There are 6 current X-titles, four of them are connected (X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, New X-Men and X-Factor), Astonishing is on its own and New Excalibur is on its own. There is some overlap in the characters, but for the most part they stay pretty separate. The X-books are always a little screwy, and probably always will be. They are setting up a new X-Over called Messiah Complex, and it looks like Astonishing is going to be left out of that.

-Wonder Woman is one of the few DC titles I can claim to be a regular reader of over the last 10 years or so. Really, the only key for her is the one on the shelf and the ones that crossover with it. She loses her powers and gets them back almost annually and it's almost always Artemis or Circe, depending on whether or not she's on good terms with Artemis.

[Todd Luck]

Few random observations:

-Is Kingdom Come technically a key for DC's mainstream continuity? That was an elseworlds story and **spoiler**Wonderwoman was pregnant with Superman's baby at the end of the series** and as I understand it, that didn't happen (among many other things) in regular DC continuity. It's also set a ways in the future and drawn by Alex Ross. So, it fits in about like Earth X.

Yeah, I know it wasn't neccessarily the creators intent for those characters to be the post-crisis ones but that never made it into print (atleast not while I was reading) and DC has gotten some milage off of it being a possible future for the DCU. A lot of the KC versions of those characters pop up in the DCU, even today. In a lot of ways it's the Return of the Dark Knight of its time , which I also think is a key (for Jason Todd's death and the fact that someone seems to do a homage or reference to it every year). Heck, according to JLA 0, Dark Knight IS the future.

[cobra_commander]

Few random observations:

-Is Kingdom Come technically a key for DC's mainstream continuity? That was an elseworlds story and **spoiler**Wonderwoman was pregnant with Superman's baby at the end of the series** and as I understand it, that didn't happen (among many other things) in regular DC continuity. It's also set a ways in the future and drawn by Alex Ross. So, it fits in about like Earth X.

Yeah, I know it wasn't neccessarily the creators intent for those characters to be the post-crisis ones but that never made it into print (atleast not while I was reading) and DC has gotten some milage off of it being a possible future for the DCU. A lot of the KC versions of those characters pop up in the DCU, even today. In a lot of ways it's the Return of the Dark Knight of its time , which I also think is a key (for Jason Todd's death and the fact that someone seems to do a homage or reference to it every year). Heck, according to JLA 0, Dark Knight IS the future.

Yep, its all linking together now. DC is slowly building up suspense and bringing in these Elsworlds characters. Son of the Demon, Dark Knight, JLA has Red Arrow.

Also Batman has revealed his identity to th- oh wait no, thats Marvel

[Zool]

-Wonder Woman is one of the few DC titles I can claim to be a regular reader of over the last 10 years or so. Really, the only key for her is the one on the shelf and the ones that crossover with it. She loses her powers and gets them back almost annually and it's almost always Artemis or Circe, depending on whether or not she's on good terms with Artemis.

To push you a little bit, if you had to introduce someone to Wonder Woman with one arc or run, which would it be? (and I appreciate you may not understand every facet of the character after it, but you'd have the basics).

And in fact, if anyone wants to chip in with the same for GL, The Flash and Aquaman I'd be very interested to hear them.

[cobra_commander]

-Wonder Woman is one of the few DC titles I can claim to be a regular reader of over the last 10 years or so. Really, the only key for her is the one on the shelf and the ones that crossover with it. She loses her powers and gets them back almost annually and it's almost always Artemis or Circe, depending on whether or not she's on good terms with Artemis.

To push you a little bit, if you had to introduce someone to Wonder Woman with one arc or run, which would it be? (and I appreciate you may not understand every facet of the character after it, but you'd have the basics).

And in fact, if anyone wants to chip in with the same for GL, The Flash and Aquaman I'd be very interested to hear them.

The Deodato WW run I would say is the only one I wuold bother hunting down. And that just as much for the Bolland covers as anything else.

GL? I would say the rebirth thing that Johns and Van Sciver did is pretty good. I likes the GL 48-50 storyline when Hal Jordan went crazy as well

Flash I heard the last few years have been great but I wouldn't bother buying them all.

And there's no such thing as a great Aquaman story..there hasn't been one yet

[h-comics]

I just been a Marvel guy since I was a kid.I love what they are doing right now,DC to me right now is pretty boring, I have not pick up a single DC title in months.

[cobra_commander]

I just been a Marvel guy since I was a kid.I love what they are doing right now,DC to me right now is pretty boring, I have not pick up a single DC title in months.

What Marvel titles are you picking up right now?

[h-comics]

As of right now CC this is what I am getting

Captain America
world war Hulk
Amazing Spiderman
Army of Darkness vs Marvel Zombies
WolverineOrigins
Uncanny X-men

[cobra_commander]

As of right now CC this is what I am getting

Captain America
world war Hulk
Amazing Spiderman
Army of Darkness vs Marvel Zombies
WolverineOrigins
Uncanny X-men

I really should've picked up Planet Hulk when Jay was recommending it

How is Brubaker's Uncanny going?

[h-comics]

Ed Brubaker is becoming one of my favorite writers.His runs on Daredevil and on Captain America got me hook.Those were two books I never read until he got on them.As far on the X-men in IMO i thinks he has done a wonderful job writing the books.I love the way he brought Warpath back as a kick A$$ killing machine.

Jesse

[cobra_commander]

Ed Brubaker is becoming one of my favorite writers.His runs on Daredevil and on Captain America got me hook.Those were two books I never read until he got on them.As far on the X-men in IMO i thinks he has done a wonderful job writing the books.I love the way he brought Warpath back as a kick A$$ killing machine.

Jesse

I found it kind of slow so I dropped it after about 3 or 4 issues but I will agree his Cap and Daredevil, esp. the Cap, has been un-missable.

[leonmallett]

Ed Brubaker is becoming one of my favorite writers.His runs on Daredevil and on Captain America got me hook.Those were two books I never read until he got on them.As far on the X-men in IMO i thinks he has done a wonderful job writing the books.I love the way he brought Warpath back as a kick A$$ killing machine.

Jesse

I found it kind of slow so I dropped it after about 3 or 4 issues but I will agree his Cap and Daredevil, esp. the Cap, has been un-missable.

Two words - Iron Fist (okay that is Brubaker and Fraction writing together). But I keep forgetting to 'big up' (that is the right 'street' or 'urban' vernacular isn't it? - trying to 'keep it real' here! ) this great, great book.

[Todd Luck]

-Wonder Woman is one of the few DC titles I can claim to be a regular reader of over the last 10 years or so. Really, the only key for her is the one on the shelf and the ones that crossover with it. She loses her powers and gets them back almost annually and it's almost always Artemis or Circe, depending on whether or not she's on good terms with Artemis.

To push you a little bit, if you had to introduce someone to Wonder Woman with one arc or run, which would it be? (and I appreciate you may not understand every facet of the character after it, but you'd have the basics).

And in fact, if anyone wants to chip in with the same for GL, The Flash and Aquaman I'd be very interested to hear them.

Now I don't know if these still fully count in current continuity (again, a constant problem with DC) but the best intro arcs or runs for the characters are:

Wonder Woman- the stuff witten and drawn by Perez (1-25 of the 80's series or something like that)
GL- GL Emerald Dawn
Flash- Waid's run
Aquaman- I assume Peter David's run, heard lots of good things about it despite the loss of the hand...
Superman- Man of Steel and Superman 1-22 (the core of Byrne's run)
Batman- Batman Year One and if I can cheat with a second recommendation, Starlin's run in the 80's
JLA- JLA: Midsummers Nightmare and Morrison's run (they work as one long storyline)
Titans- Wolfman/Perez's run
Spectre- the Orstrander/Mandrake series of the 90's
Darkseid/New Gods- Kirby's stuff in the 70's now collected in cheap trades: New Gods, Forever People, two Jimmy Olsen trades and the first Mister Miracle trade

[slym2none]

Ed Brubaker is becoming one of my favorite writers I love the way he brought Warpath back as a kick A$$ killing machine.

Jesse

I really need to find out what number I stopped on and start scoping the 'Bay for some cheap deals.......



-slym

[slym2none]

Two words - Iron Fist (okay that is Brubaker and Fraction writing together). But I keep forgetting to 'big up' (that is the right 'street' or 'urban' vernacular isn't it? - trying to 'keep it real' here! ) this great, great book.

Leon, if I may - please, please, PLEASE don't try to be 'urban,' OK? 'Keepin' it real' just isn't you.





-slym

[Zool]

Now I don't know if these still fully count in current continuity (again, a constant problem with DC) but the best intro arcs or runs for the characters are:

Wonder Woman- the stuff witten and drawn by Perez (1-25 of the 80's series or something like that)
GL- GL Emerald Dawn
Flash- Waid's run
Aquaman- I assume Peter David's run, heard lots of good things about it despite the loss of the hand...
Superman- Man of Steel and Superman 1-22 (the core of Byrne's run)
Batman- Batman Year One and if I can cheat with a second recommendation, Starlin's run in the 80's
JLA- JLA: Midsummers Nightmare and Morrison's run (they work as one long storyline)
Titans- Wolfman/Perez's run
Spectre- the Orstrander/Mandrake series of the 90's
Darkseid/New Gods- Kirby's stuff in the 70's now collected in cheap trades: New Gods, Forever People, two Jimmy Olsen trades and the first Mister Miracle trade

Cheers all who chipped in, I'm familiar with a some of this stuff (Peter David on Aquaman, Batman Year One, Byrne Superman) but will probably have a dig around for some other bits.

Also, I read Kevin Smith's Green Arrow, and thoroughly enjoyed it (but didn't know the character very much before that). I absolutely despise Kevin Smith's Daredevil (I character I know backwards) stuff so I'd be interested to hear if he offended any G.A. fans with his handling of the character.

And, I must admit though, Marvel continuity may be a bit messy but with all this 'I don't know if this is still in continuity' talk I'm glad at least all my Marvel books still happened

[Todd Luck]

And now to chime in on my own question: I voted for Marvel.

I've always been a DC guy, even before I read comics I tended to gravitate more towards their characters. But their main titles tended to be of such poor quality in the 90's, I ended up just collecting their smaller, more obscure titles since that was were all their talent was. But since the crash of the 90's almost every single title I've collected has been canceled, editorially screwed over (and then canceled) and then altered or wipped out of continuity immediately after the cancelation. Infinite Crisis was of such poor quality and One Year Later screwed over the one DCU title I was still reading (which was of course canceled a few months later). I just gave up. I know DC is putting some great things right now but I just can't bring myself to care anymore. At some point I'll hunt down the back issues or trades for the stuff that sounds decent.

Meanwhile, I was reading JMS's Spiderman run and enjoying it to death. It's the quirky, original, human stories that made the series great to begin with. Aunt May and Mary Jane went from being annoying 2-D sterotypes to being fully fleshed out, interesting characters that were actually important to the stories. I found similar quality and enjoyment in JMS's other titles.

I was enjoying the Civil War Spiderman story (probably the best of JMS's run) and was intrigued by the Civil War miniseries (but never once did I feel I had to go out and get it to follow ASM). Then Cap got killed. It was 100% shock. I'd never been surprised by a Marvel/DC comic in my whole life before. It was amazing.

So i got Cap 25. I'd never picked up a Cap issue before. Like many comic fans, including many who are mad over the death, I'd never even thought about picking up an issue of Cap's series before. I mean he's cool on Avengers but what can you do with a book about a walking flag? But reading Cap 25, I was blown away. The incredible art and smart, powerful story hooked me immediately. And things I thought wouldn't work, like the resurrected Bucky, added volumns to the story. So now I collect Cap.

Well, that pushed me over the edge on trying Civil War itself. I'd read so much whining about it online I didn't think I'd like it. But I loved it. It really felt like a natural evolution of the last umpteen decades of the public's discomfort over superheros and the arguements between Cap and Iron Man over human (civil) rights vs the greater good (like in the 80s, when they argued over whether to kill Molecule Man or Galactus when they had the chance). Iron Man is trying to use the law to make the world a better place while Cap is trying to stand up for rights of his fellow heroes. Both use dirty or draconian measures in their battle. I greatly enjoyed it. I really loved most of the specials too- War Crimes, Captian America/Iron man, Avengers Illumanti- it's just so unusual to see specials in an x-over event focus on characterization and ideas rather than on big fights and cosmic hoo doo.

I also tried Annihlation and World War Hulk and i'm hooked on those too. I've even tried some of their "lighter" stuff like Marvel Adventures Iron man which I though was very good in an old school sort of way and Franklin Richards which is hillarious (pray this kid never finds the Ultimate Nulifer!). I saw one issue of Marvel Adventures Avengers where all the Avengers are turned into little MODOC heads, that I've got to get! LOL

[Chiclo]

-Wonder Woman is one of the few DC titles I can claim to be a regular reader of over the last 10 years or so. Really, the only key for her is the one on the shelf and the ones that crossover with it. She loses her powers and gets them back almost annually and it's almost always Artemis or Circe, depending on whether or not she's on good terms with Artemis.

To push you a little bit, if you had to introduce someone to Wonder Woman with one arc or run, which would it be? (and I appreciate you may not understand every facet of the character after it, but you'd have the basics).

And in fact, if anyone wants to chip in with the same for GL, The Flash and Aquaman I'd be very interested to hear them.

The Deodato WW run I would say is the only one I wuold bother hunting down. And that just as much for the Bolland covers as anything else.

GL? I would say the rebirth thing that Johns and Van Sciver did is pretty good. I likes the GL 48-50 storyline when Hal Jordan went crazy as well

Flash I heard the last few years have been great but I wouldn't bother buying them all.

And there's no such thing as a great Aquaman story..there hasn't been one yet

Yeah, the Deodato run is as good as any.

There was one arc... I'd have to go digging through back issues to find it again, it was around issue 90 or 100 of one of her old series. She had lost the mantle of Wonder Woman to Artemis (again) but still had her power. She ended up squaring off against the Joker and dances with Pan to out-psycho the Joker. Probably my favourite WW arc.

[Chiclo]

Ed Brubaker is becoming one of my favorite writers.His runs on Daredevil and on Captain America got me hook.Those were two books I never read until he got on them.As far on the X-men in IMO i thinks he has done a wonderful job writing the books.I love the way he brought Warpath back as a kick A$$ killing machine.

Jesse

The 12-part arc where they go to the Shi'ar Empire and square off against Deathbird and the third Summers boy (Vulcan) was pretty cool. It's kinda cool how the Starjammers have broken up and Hapzebah is now wearing the X.

Side note - Peter David is taking over She-Hulk. This is awesome, but I haven't heard if he's leaving X-Factor. His X-Factor run has been really outstanding, and I'll be glad to see him on one of my (other) favourite books.