Should Barry Windsor-Smith & Bob Layton be brought back?

DK2 · Post by **DK2** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:13 pm

I was wondering if the new Valiant owners should bring both Barry Windsor-Smith and Bob Layton back into the Valiant universe? Even though they did bring back Jim Shooter for the new story for the upcoming Harbinger hardcover reprint collection (and whether Shooter will continue in any involvement afterward is still a mystery), I wondered if Windsor-Smith and Layton should be brought back in some manner as well? I've checked Layton's website, and he says he's doing some new things with the new Valiant folks but couldn't say anything yet. Wonder what its is?

Still, its also a mystery as to what the new Valiant will be doing after the Harbinger book, and anything after that.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:16 pm

I think Shooter and BWS would be the big 2 to bring back.

Layton I could take it or leave it to be honest.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:19 pm

Yeah, if VEI can afford them & if they buy into the new Valiant. No sense in turning great talent down.

thePike · Post by **thePike** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:21 pm

I love BWS artwork - and I'm not a huge "art" fan as long as it gets the point across, I'm good with it in Comic Books). But BWS, I'd definitely look forward to seeing (I'm actually re-reading some of his comics from Uncanny X-men at the moment).

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:27 pm

If it were up to me, I'd definitely bring back Layton. He's been pretty good to the fans and obviously has a fondness for the Valiant universe and characters.

BWS, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Yeah, he's a great artist and I think Valiant's downhill slide really began with his departure, but he draws the same face on every character and it gets really old after a while. Plus, from what I hear, he's been a pretty big dick to the fans over the years refusing to sign Valiant books at cons and such. I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:31 pm

Should they? Of course as long as they fit into the plan.

Will they? Well Layton has already said that he did a couple things for the new Valiant so that is a yes.

As for BWS I would love to see something new from him but I just don't think he has the passion for comics anymore.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:37 pm

Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.

Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!

bnasty71 · Post by **bnasty71** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:39 pm

DK2 wrote:I was wondering if the new Valiant owners should bring both Barry Windsor-Smith and Bob Layton back into the Valiant universe?

Yes and Yes. Nuff said!!!

bnasty71 · Post by **bnasty71** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:53 pm

Heath wrote:BWS, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Yeah, he's a great artist and I think Valiant's downhill slide really began with his departure, but he draws the same face on every character and it gets really old after a while.

BWS is the *SQUEE*!!! <---- compliment.
Look at Van Gogh's paintings don't they kinda all look the same? But then again no....BWS style is also unique, in a Van Gogh way,and I'm not sure it can ever be duplicated. To me his work always stood out above all the others. It never got old for me, And I for one would definately want to see him back!!

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:56 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.
Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!

Why?

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:56 pm

bnasty71 wrote:
Heath wrote:BWS, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Yeah, he's a great artist and I think Valiant's downhill slide really began with his departure, but he draws the same face on every character and it gets really old after a while.

BWS is the *SQUEE*!!! <---- compliment.
Look at Van Gogh's paintings don't they kinda all look the same? But then again no....BWS style is also unique, in a Van Gogh way,and I'm not sure it can ever be duplicated. To me his work always stood out above all the others. It never got old for me, And I for one would definately want to see him back!!

Yeah I think thats an undeserved diss on BWS. BWS strength lies in the way he can tell a story with his art and he has a very unique style.

I think its a bit of stretch to say all his faces look the same. When I read his A&As I know which one is Archer and which one is Armstrong.

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:58 pm

I'd want Bart Sears to be back. I hope Joe Quesada if I'm dreaming.

bnasty71 · Post by **bnasty71** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:03 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
bnasty71 wrote:
Heath wrote:BWS, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Yeah, he's a great artist and I think Valiant's downhill slide really began with his departure, but he draws the same face on every character and it gets really old after a while.

BWS is the *SQUEE*!!! <---- compliment.
Look at Van Gogh's paintings don't they kinda all look the same? But then again no....BWS style is also unique, in a Van Gogh way,and I'm not sure it can ever be duplicated. To me his work always stood out above all the others. It never got old for me, And I for one would definately want to see him back!!
Yeah I think thats an undeserved diss on BWS. BWS strength lies in the way he can tell a story with his art and he has a very unique style.I think its a bit of stretch to say all his faces look the same. When I read his A&As I know which one is Archer and which one is Armstrong.

That's exactly what I was trying to say!!!!

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:07 pm

Stinger wrote:I'd want Bart Sears to be back. I hope Joe Quesada if I'm dreaming.

Not if he's EIC. That'd be a nightmare

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:09 pm

Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.
Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!
Why?

I don't know. I just like the guy even more after reading that.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:15 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.
Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!
Why?
I don't know. I just like the guy even more after reading that.

I like him more after reading A&O or Storyteller, not after reading that.

There are too many self-absorbed creators as it is. That act doesn't do anything for me...

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:15 pm

DK2 wrote:I was wondering if the new Valiant owners should bring both Barry Windsor-Smith and Bob Layton back into the Valiant universe?.

I say yes. The real question is who would you rather have back---Shooter or Layton? I don't have anything against Layton, but Valiant was at it's best when Shooter was at the helm.
If they could both co-exist together at Valiant (Shooter running things/writing and Layton as an artist), then I say absolutely bring them back.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:17 pm

Stinger wrote:I hope Joe Quesada if I'm dreaming.

As an artist? That would be great. In any kind of mangement position? NO WAY!

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:18 pm

You all just want Marvel-lite.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:19 pm

Quasada nooooooooooooooooooooooo
bws

and mabee rags as well

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:20 pm

Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.
Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!
Why?
I don't know. I just like the guy even more after reading that.
I like him more after reading A&O or Storyteller, not after reading that.

There are too many self-absorbed creators as it is. That act doesn't do anything for me...

Don't take it so seriously. I seem to remember whoever it was that got the book signed did say BWS said it without any malice.

bnasty71 · Post by **bnasty71** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:22 pm

Zero wrote:You all just want Marvel-lite.

I'd rather have this.........

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:23 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Zero wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Heath wrote:I think it was one of the members here who asked him sign a copy of Bloodshot #1 that was already signed by Don Perlin(?) and BWS griped about it and asked "Why is he signing my book?" I'm not sure I want to reward that kind of jackassery.
Thats exactly the kind of jackassery that should be rewarded!
Why?
I don't know. I just like the guy even more after reading that.
I like him more after reading A&O or Storyteller, not after reading that.

There are too many self-absorbed creators as it is. That act doesn't do anything for me...
Don't take it so seriously. I seem to remember whoever it was that got the book signed did say BWS said it without any malice.

I'm not taking it seriously.

Didn't mean for it to 'sound' so if it did.

I'm just of the mindset that I'd like to buy any new books he puts out, but I don't really ever want to stand in line to get his autograph.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:25 pm

bnasty71 wrote:
Zero wrote:You all just want Marvel-lite.

I'd rather have this.........

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:43 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Stinger wrote:I'd want Bart Sears to be back. I hope Joe Quesada if I'm dreaming.
Not if he's EIC. That'd be a nightmare

Eh, could be worse.

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