Would the Defiant characters fit in the Valiant universe?

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:30 pm

Does anybody own the rights to the Defiant characters? If not, would they fit in with the Valiant characters? Should Valiant pursue them?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:49 pm

Last I knew, the people who own Solar, Turok, and Magnus also own the Defiant and Broadway characters.

I think I read that Some Defiant and Broadway concepts were originally intended for the VALIANT Universe. Fatale from Broadway for sure.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:07 pm

There's obviously a void in the Valiant universe without the Gold Key characters. I think there's an outstanding chance this relaunch will work if quality is at the forefront, but consider the following:
If the new owners are unable to acquire the rights to the Gold Key characters maybe they could acquire the rights to the Defiant and Broadway characters. They wouldn't have to use all of them, but it would be sweet to see a few characters from those companies return.
Would any of those characters fit in the Valiant universe?

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:24 pm

I would love to see some of the stuff return. I thought Shooter and company had a great idea going into Schism.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:36 pm

comicmark wrote:There's obviously a void in the Valiant universe without the Gold Key characters. I think there's an outstanding chance this relaunch will work if quality is at the forefront, but consider the following:
If the new owners are unable to acquire the rights to the Gold Key characters maybe they could acquire the rights to the Defiant and Broadway characters. They wouldn't have to use all of them, but it would be sweet to see a few characters from those companies return.
Would any of those characters fit in the Valiant universe?

I think Fatale, Till Death Does Us Part, and Star Seed from Broadway might, but I have my doubts about Knights on Broadway (which I really liked, but don't see as working in the VALIANT U due to the future war hinted in it. If that aspect were somehow altered, then the overall concept MIGHT work as a VALIANT comic).

I never read any Defiant, so I wouldn't know about those.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:06 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Plasm return. I know it wouldn't fit in the Valiant World... but somewhere in the Universe.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:39 pm

I don't see how most of the Defiant characters could fit in Valiant without
destroying both.
A few would work like The Good Guys (think Good Guys vs Harbinger) and maybe Shadowman and Dark Dominion.
The rest of them like War Dancer, Warriors of Plasm, Dogs of War, and the rest wouldn't work.

Broadway would really mesh better with Defiant than Valiant.

Doesn't Solar guest star in Harbinger #5?

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:51 pm

You're right, certainly all the Defiant characters wouldn't jibe with the Valiant universe. Yet even a few cool characters fitting into the Valiant universe from Defiant would be cool.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:55 pm

It bears mention that Fatale from Brodway meet a couple of Defiant characters, so those two universes were somehow linked.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:56 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Doesn't Solar guest star in Harbinger #5?

Yep

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:19 pm

When did Fatale meet Defiant characters???

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:27 pm

comicmark wrote:When did Fatale meet Defiant characters???

http://www.shooterswork.com/mirror/broa ... intro.html

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:28 pm

IIRC all of the Broadway characters are co-owned by Shooter and Random House.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:28 pm

Great stuff.
Thanks for the link!
Does Shooter still co-own the Defiant characters?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:40 pm

comicmark wrote:Great stuff.
Thanks for the link!
Does Shooter still co-own the Defiant characters?

I don't know.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:34 pm

I'd wouldn't mind Defiant and Broadway merged. I'd just love to see Defiant go on. Defiant and Valiant wouldn't jive, to me. It'd just be too much going on in the universe.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:56 pm

Would Defiant characters work in the VALIANT U? No, I dont think so. That would be like..hmm, chocolate chip and lobster cookies. Great apart.. but not so great together.

Besides, if DNV even tried to make that happen that would greatly reduce their chances of success.

Um, why did Defiant stop publishing??

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:24 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:Um, why did Defiant stop publishing??

Marvel played Lawyerball and bankrupted them.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:28 pm

Ah yes, I think I remember reading about the name issue... what a bummer.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:32 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:Ah yes, I think I remember reading about the name issue... what a bummer.

Yeah, because so many people would be confused by the name and purchase Plasm instead of

I mean, that was on everyone's pull list, wasn't it?

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:15 pm

That chick on the cover is scarier looking than anything Shooter ever created!

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:58 am

I defiantly could see Valiant and Broadway fitting together; but Defiant wouldn't fit at all.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:22 am

Warriors of Plasm would not fit, but what's wrong with a character like Charlemagne? Charlemagne might do well in the Valiant universe, in my opinion.
The Good Guys might fit, though I wonder if they could even use those characters without permission since they were based on real people.
I just threw this topic out mainly because I'd like to see at least a few of these characters return to comics, and I thought it was at least worth a good discussion.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:02 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Dark Dominion incorporated into the new VU. And I suppose if they can't get Turok back there is always War Dancer.

mdhprime · Post by **mdhprime** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:10 am

comicmark wrote:There's obviously a void in the Valiant universe without the Gold Key characters. I think there's an outstanding chance this relaunch will work if quality is at the forefront, but consider the following:
If the new owners are unable to acquire the rights to the Gold Key characters maybe they could acquire the rights to the Defiant and Broadway characters. They wouldn't have to use all of them, but it would be sweet to see a few characters from those companies return.
Would any of those characters fit in the Valiant universe?

If VE doesn't get the rights to the Gold Key characters, I think it is a great opportunity to create some new characters around the core original characters they do have rights to. I didn't read Defiant or Broadway, and I am sure that they had some very good characters and stories, but it just doesn't make sense to use these older characters instead of creating some brand new ones. Just my two cents.