HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! 5/28-5/31

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:07 am

leonmallett wrote:
ThrillKillWill wrote:I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me.
Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required.

It depends on the purpose... Suppose they plan to start over at (or after) Unity. They may want to release all the pre-Unity material in hardcover format so that new fans can get the early stuff easily at their LCS.

The new stories could be independent of the early stories & yet still be interconnected. Meaning, you don't need the early stories to jump on at the relaunch, but say an all new fan (who has never read Valiant before) picks up the new Harbinger line & really enjoys it. That fan would have an easily accessible hardcover of Harbinger available to read the early stories to get an even more complete 'picture' of what Harbinger is about.

This is, of course, just speculation & has no basis in reality other than the possibility that I might have guessed well.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Thu May 31, 2007 8:11 am

Zero wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
ThrillKillWill wrote:I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me.
Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required.
It depends on the purpose... Suppose they plan to start over at (or after) Unity. They may want to release all the pre-Unity material in hardcover format so that new fans can get the early stuff easily at their LCS.

The new stories could be independent of the early stories & yet still be interconnected. Meaning, you don't need the early stories to jump on at the relaunch, but say an all new fan (who has never read Valiant before) picks up the new Harbinger line & really enjoys it. That fan would have an easily accessible hardcover of Harbinger available to read the early stories to get an even more complete 'picture' of what Harbinger is about.

This is, of course, just speculation & has no basis in reality other than the possibility that I might have guessed well.

Fair comment, however I think TWK and I were posting about the suggestion by MOTA of swamping the market (which is not yet re-established) with a significant number of hardcovers being released. As great as that would be for existing fans, there is no sense in VEI just releasing according to the tastes of this board alone - they will need new readers, and to remain a viable publisher risk needs to be borne safely.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 31, 2007 9:30 am

I think VE should release one new HC every two months or so (9 HCs in 18 months) and have each come come with a completely new story (like the Origin of Harada by Shooter and Hall) that's related to the story that's being reprinted.

This way they do both at the same time, a new story and an old one.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Thu May 31, 2007 11:27 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:I think VE should release one new HC every two months or so (9 HCs in 18 months) and have each come come with a completely new story (like the Origin of Harada by Shooter and Hall) that's related to the story that's being reprinted.

This way they do both at the same time, a new story and an old one.

That sounds better. Your previous post sounded like releasing a glut of 'em.

That said, I hope to see new stuff not in hardcover reprints sooner rather than later. In other words VEI - new comics please...

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Thu May 31, 2007 12:04 pm

Ryan wrote:it's more like investing in the future of these characters and this company

Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.

DAN

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu May 31, 2007 1:24 pm

sonicdan wrote: Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.
DAN

Now that's support! I ordered one down here at Trade-a-tape in Lincoln, hopefully that will get them to order a few more than they would have.

paradise · Post by **paradise** » Thu May 31, 2007 1:44 pm

Guys, if you can't find a shop to get you copies, I will take pre-orders for them till the 25th of the month, at 20% off cover price plus shipping. My store info is below.

I am a huge Valiant fan, and not just a reseller, and do pretty decent mail order business in the store, which has been open for close to 14 years. We ship worldwide and have a great mail order discount for comics and graphic novels. Let me know and I will make sure you are taken care of.

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:01 pm

PREVIEWS is out today...

Here are the three ads for HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING

Page 211 (Diamond Previews Featured Item, about 1/4 page)

Page 365 (Valiant Entertainment advertisement, full page)

click to enlarge

Page 366 (Catalog listing, 1/4 page)

(original post edited to include this info...)

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:09 pm

Looks like greg will have to update the web site

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:12 pm

Ryan wrote:
sonicdan wrote: Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.
DAN
Now that's support! I ordered one down here at Trade-a-tape in Lincoln, hopefully that will get them to order a few more than they would have.

4 is what I have ordered as well 2 each from diff LCS (in case orders get wacked for some popular reason

)

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:12 pm

I talked to my LCS guy today and made my order. I asked him if he was going to order any for the shop besides just preorder folks. I was kinda surprised that he acted a little hesitant on ordering more. I told him that he can't get any better than 25 bucks for a hardcover with that many pages and a new Shooter story to boot. He quickly agreed and left the Previews book open on the counter and said he was going to show it to his customers.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:27 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.

I would love to see a hardcover of just Magnus 0-4 with all of the extra pages and stuff they were going to do for Steel Nation Vol I & II (http://www.valiantcomics.com/Valiant/im ... natmed.jpg)

It was expanded to 128 pages so that would be a nice HC for new and old fans alike. I just wonder if Valiant Ent. has access to the unpublished material.

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:28 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I talked to my LCS guy today and made my order. I asked him if he was going to order any for the shop besides just preorder folks. I was kinda surprised that he acted a little hesitant on ordering more. I told him that he can't get any better than 25 bucks for a hardcover with that many pages and a new Shooter story to boot. He quickly agreed and left the Previews book open on the counter and said he was going to show it to his customers.

smart man...

on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there...

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:30 pm

myron wrote: on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:33 pm

I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now.....

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:35 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now.....

we've waited over a decade for something like this...what's another 3 months...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 31, 2007 2:43 pm

myron wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now.....
we've waited over a decade for something like this...what's another 3 months...

Hahaha.....I'm like a kid waiting to open his presents at Christmas......

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:09 pm

Ryan wrote:
myron wrote: on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there...

..."and many others"

love that ....

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 31, 2007 4:18 pm

Doctor Mirage, yay!!!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 31, 2007 4:29 pm

Aha!

As I thought, Previews also ran an editorial piece on the return of VALIANT in their Splash Page section.

Here you go.

http://previews.diamondcomics.com/publi ... 56625&ssd=

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu May 31, 2007 4:32 pm

Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
I would love to see a hardcover of just Magnus 0-4 with all of the extra pages and stuff they were going to do for Steel Nation Vol I & II (http://www.valiantcomics.com/Valiant/im ... natmed.jpg)

It was expanded to 128 pages so that would be a nice HC for new and old fans alike. I just wonder if Valiant Ent. has access to the unpublished material.

That be cool

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Thu May 31, 2007 5:56 pm

Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.

I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.

And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Thu May 31, 2007 6:06 pm

Brian Thomer wrote:Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.

I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.

And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use.

With all of this trademark crap going on, they'd be better off doing the LLC wouldn't they?

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu May 31, 2007 7:32 pm

IMJ wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.

I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.

And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use.
With all of this trademark crap going on, they'd be better off doing the LLC wouldn't they?

LLC and Inc. are basically the same thing. Just one cost more then the other.

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Thu May 31, 2007 7:53 pm

LLCs and Corporations are both limited liability structures. The main difference between the two is taxation.