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greg
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 Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! 5/28-5/31 |
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Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.
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Edit: May 31, 2007
PREVIEWS is out today...
Here are the three ads for HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING
Page 211 (Diamond Previews Featured Item, about 1/4 page)
Page 365 (Valiant Entertainment advertisement, full page)
click to enlarge
Page 366 (Catalog listing, 1/4 page)
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tssgery
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k_c_collectibles
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Bob Hall on Harbinger? COOL! 
Many thanks to Valiant Entertainment for keeping the fans in the loop on this cool book before the general public. 
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| Is that picture recolored? Man it looks SWEET! |
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magnusr
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | Is that picture recolored? Man it looks SWEET! |
Sure is. For better and worse it has a more modern look. I do not like Flamingo's eyes. They have lost detail. Otherwise I agree.
Bob Hall is an interesting choice. Quite a contrast to Lapham's art. Might indicate that the story contrasts a bit as well. I wonder what the new character will lead to. Obviously there's a big plan here which is very promising.
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betterthanezra
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Bob Hall drawing again the Valiant Universe is GREAT news. He deserves to be in the comics field and I couldn't be happier with the choise of him as artist.
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Daniel Jackson
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Whoo hoo! Jim Shooter writing and Bob Hall art, what a great beginning. Way to go Dino! |
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ckb
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I see the re-coloring... Decided to give it a different look - probably a nice idea.
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*SQUEE*
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| SO anyone ordering multiple copies? I plan on getting two myself. |
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betterthanezra
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | SO anyone ordering multiple copies? I plan on getting two myself. |
I plan on getting multibles
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Jay Tomio
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | SO anyone ordering multiple copies? I plan on getting two myself. |
I'm hoping I can get a couple - VALIANT coming back is almost a good enough reason to move to the States
Is this going to be available in places like Amazon? Otherwise I'm not sure how I'm going to nab it  :
...and there is something fundamentally wrong with that notion.  |
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| I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
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| depluto wrote: | | I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
That would be  |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Jay Tomio wrote: | | depluto wrote: | | I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
That would be |
Indeed! |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Can't go wrong with Bob Hall. It would be so nice if, when new books start coming out, they got support from the old school Valiant members. People like Shooter, Lapham, Hall, and the various House artists. |
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Daniel Jackson
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | Jay Tomio wrote: | | depluto wrote: | | I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
That would be |
Indeed! |
Dare we dream? |
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | SO anyone ordering multiple copies? I plan on getting two myself. |
Hmmmm..... I might consider getting two depending on what kind of discount I get.
One to read and one to keep closed.
I did it for a Green Lantern HC, so why not this one... |
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it is still kind of amazing to think about reading a new Val. story, let alone one by Shooter, and Bob Hall art just makes it that much more incredible.
We've talked about the possibility of new books, but sorta seemed like a never gonna happen.
I don't know this Dino dude, but thanks man.
Shooter and Hall, crazy! |
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Daniel Jackson
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't know this Dino dude, but thanks man.
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If you ever do run into Dino, you can recognize him by the army of midgets surrounding him..... |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Outstanding news Greg.
Hardcover reprint of 0-7?.......new material by Jim Shooter and Bob Hall?..........This is a fan's edition!
I'm probably buying at least three......one for myself and two for my nephews.
It can't be repeated enough...........Thanks Dino!!! |
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Dino after the money from the sales of the HC comes in...
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Rufusharley
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Awesome! ...just awesome!
(i'll probably get 2 also..what the hell  ) |
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Woo Hoo! Great news!
Jay, and anyone else, I have asked one of my LCSs to get me two, and can order more if you'd like to. I can mail them out. Just PM me.
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| Jay Tomio wrote: | | depluto wrote: | | I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
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How about an old school gold variant for the fans?
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| whovianone wrote: | | Jay Tomio wrote: | | depluto wrote: | | I'm hoping we do some kind of fans edition here ... |
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How about an old school gold variant for the fans?
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Hmm...that'll work. |
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Greg,
Any idea who the inker and colorists are?
Chris |
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| Bob Hall too - sweet! I am soooooooooo looking forward to this new story. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: Re: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! Monday |
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| greg wrote: | | This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! |
SWEEEET!! |
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| k_c_collectibles wrote: | Greg,
Any idea who the inker and colorists are?
Chris |
Don't be suprised if Bob Hall inks this himself...
Like he did with Armed & Dangerous...
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! Monday |
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| greg wrote: | Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.
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Great news!
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| betterthanezra wrote: | | k_c_collectibles wrote: | Greg,
Any idea who the inker and colorists are?
Chris |
Don't be suprised if Bob Hall inks this himself...
Like he did with Armed & Dangerous...
-Brian |
I like him as a penciller, but not so much as an inker. I personally am hoping for Tom Ryder or Ray Kryssing. Tom worked well with Bob on Shadowman and I really liked Ray's work on X-O with Bart Sears and Andy Smith.
Bob Layton would be my first choice, but I figure with Jim Shooter doing the writing he would not want to have any part of the book, but I could be wrong... 
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | Dino after the money from the sales of the HC comes in...
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Uhhhh...... Probably not. 
Let's say they sell 30,000. I think VE will get about $10 from diamond for each book, so thats $300,000.
Let's say each books costs $7 for the printer to print and bound in that quantity (30,000). So, $300K-$210K = 90K. The VE has to pay Shooter, Hall, the new colorists, and the people who put it together for the printer. Could easily be $40K.
Now, if you run the numbers at 100,000 copies, and lower the per book cost to about $5 from $7, it starts to add up.
More likely picure of Dino after the orders come in:
 Numbers were off the cuff - just estimates I pulled out of my magic orifice. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! Monday |
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| greg wrote: | Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.
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So where's the information from? It reads like a release but I can't find it on the net.
I hope there are plans to put the new "Origin of Harada" online like Dark Horse does with the epilogs in the Hellboy trades. I always thought that was a classy move on the part of Dark Horse (plus how many people are really going to buy an entire miniseries again just to get a few extra pages?). It always left a bad taste in my mouth when a company tried to force me to buy a story again in a different format just to get 5 or 10 new pages, it's like they're punishing you for faithfully buying all the original issues.
Anyway, I don't have that sort of money to blow myself, and if I did I wouldn't use to re-buy issues I already own, but I would love to read the new story. |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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HC page count vs Singles page count
The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.
Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.
Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | HC page count vs Singles page count
The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.
Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.
Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around. |
You know I was going to do that math myself when I saw the page count but you just saved me a lot of work! LOL Thanks! Good to see you're still hanging around here. |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | HC page count vs Singles page count
The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.
Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.
Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around. |
You know I was going to do that math myself when I saw the page count but you just saved me a lot of work! LOL Thanks! Good to see you're still hanging around here. |
Heh
You should do it to make sure I got it right (though it looks like I did, heh).
I'm glad the Origin of Harada story is an insert, it's a good omen... oh wait, Omen was the bad guys  |
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| betterthanezra wrote: | I plan on getting multibles
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SmokinAFuente
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Would that be the VALIANT pill?
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! Monday |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | greg wrote: | Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.
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So where's the information from? It reads like a release but I can't find it on the net. |
You just found it on the net.
In all serious, that information is exclusive to ValiantFans.com at this point.
It reads like a release because it is a release... just for us.
The "hard copy" will be in Previews on Wednesday.
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greg u rock
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This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
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| Awesome! Thanks for the extra details. Everything more that I hear makes me more and more excited about this coming out! |
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| Very nice! Congrats to VEI! |
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| i'll get one, i like HC and TPB better than single and harbinger was always a favourite of mine so count me in , the new story makes no difference to me. |
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Looks like I maybe buying many multiple copies 
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| dellamorte wrote: | This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.
Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online. |
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | I think 25 bucks for a hardcover is fairly reasonable. I believe that's the price Valiant was asking for the Solar hardcover. |
Complete agreement. Take a look at your LCS or book store in the coming weeks. See how much other HB trades are going for. Most with this number of pages are well over $30!
I think it's a bargian!
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.
Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online. |
Pay 25 dollars today or pay 50 dollars tomorrow, your choice
Don't let what happened the first time happen again... buy now or regret it later, lol.
Seriously, people who buy the HC will try to sell the insert by itself for much more than the HC is worth.
Don't look at it as buying something you already own for 25 dollars... think of it as buying something you don't have (the origin) for 25 dollars now instead of 50 or more later. |
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The recent hardcover printings of Dr. Solar and Magnus (Gold Key reprints)
have the same number of pages (about 200) and retail for $49.95.
There's no new material in those...
(Amazon sells each for a discount on the original $49.95.)
I'd say $24.95 is fair.
(...and a discount wouldn't hurt either.)
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I hope the paper stock in the HC is similar or better than the one that was used in the singles and not the same that was used in the trade... though I love the smell of a VALIANT trade in the morning...
Have you guys ever noticed how VALIANT trades have their own particular smell?
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| greg wrote: | The recent hardcover printings of Dr. Solar and Magnus (Gold Key reprints)
have the same number of pages (about 200) and retail for $49.95.
I'd say $24.95 is fair. |
Yeah. Also, a #1 alone would cost you at least $25 on ebay. I think the price is very fair. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Todd Luck wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.
Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online. |
Pay 25 dollars today or pay 50 dollars tomorrow, your choice
Don't let what happened the first time happen again... buy now or regret it later, lol.
Seriously, people who buy the HC will try to sell the insert by itself for much more than the HC is worth.
Don't look at it as buying something you already own for 25 dollars... think of it as buying something you don't have (the origin) for 25 dollars now instead of 50 or more later. |
Regret making a mistake that'll cost me more? LOL
Every Valiant tradepaperback I've ever seen in a comic shop was avaiable for between $1 and $5 at my LSCs within 5 years of its release. I can't imagine anyone who lost money if they waited to buy those. Every insert in those trades I've seen as dollar bin foder.
I don't know if history will repeat itself since the press run sould be so tiny due to a much smaller audience but I'm not too worried about the price shooting up. I'm just saying I'd like to see that new short(?) story online like Dark Horse and other companies regularly do with similar stories. |
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Online comics aren't real comics, though.
I'm getting a webcomic published in the coming weeks and I've been promised it'll see print some day soon.
As awesome as having a comic published is, for me it won't be real until I can hold it in my hands.
As for the HC going down in price, will you really wait five years for it? |
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| $25 for this hardcover is a bargain any way you look at it. I would hope that VEI will keep it in print so that it is widely and easily available. This is far more important for bringing in new casual readers than a lively secondary market. |
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| Dr. Solar wrote: | | $25 for this hardcover is a bargain any way you look at it. I would hope that VEI will keep it in print so that it is widely and easily available. This is far more important for bringing in new casual readers than a lively secondary market. |
I was ready to pay double this for a homemade version HC with no new material . . . are you kidding me . . this is fantastic !! Most pre-orders can be gotten at a discount . . . if I find a good one I will post the details . . .
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Awesome news! Shooter and Hall is a perfect team for the first new real VALIANT story in years! And a NEW character!! Shows they're thinking about the future...
How could anyone complain about this!?!? Don't think of it as paying $25 (great price btw) for comics you already own, it's more like investing in the future of these characters and this company, and you get a beautiful new edition of one of the best runs in the VALIANT history as well as a new story by JIM SHOOTER!! If you are not geeked right now you should check your pulse.
Maybe Dark Horse can put new content up for free online, but this is a new company trying to raise our favorite characters from the ashes in a very tough business, we need to support them in any way we can. |
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| *SQUEE* wrote: | | Is that picture recolored? Man it looks SWEET! |
It does look great!
At the risk of being unpopular, I find the ONLY weak spot of Valiant's books was the airbrushed colouring.
I'm (cautiously) happy that the books are being recoloured. It's tough to say without seeing it, but hopefully it improves it!
If the cover above is any indication, I'm pumped!
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| The Beyonder wrote: | | *SQUEE* wrote: | | Is that picture recolored? Man it looks SWEET! |
It does look great!
At the risk of being unpopular, I find the ONLY weak spot of Valiant's books was the airbrushed colouring.
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You'll get a lot of disagreement on that one. Many of us find it to one of the features that set Valiant apart from the rest of the crowd in 1992.
The coloring process at Valiant was developed by Shooter and Janet Jackson. It involves Dr. Martin watercolor dyes. I'm under the impression it was hand done with real brushes. I believe "airbrushed" to be an inaccurate characterization.
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| The Beyonder wrote: | | At the risk of being unpopular, I find the ONLY weak spot of Valiant's books was the airbrushed colouring. |
The airbrushed pages were so few I guess you can complain about them without any risk. The watercolor-painted books though, those are loved. Anyway, the method used is not as important as the artistic skills of the colorist and Valiant had some great artists whose pages would look great whatever techique they used.
Edit: Just saw Chris' post. I agree.
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Daniel Jackson
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| Todd Luck wrote: | Regret making a mistake that'll cost me more? LOL
Every Valiant tradepaperback I've ever seen in a comic shop was avaiable for between $1 and $5 at my LSCs within 5 years of its release. I can't imagine anyone who lost money if they waited to buy those. Every insert in those trades I've seen as dollar bin foder.
I don't know if history will repeat itself since the press run sould be so tiny due to a much smaller audience but I'm not too worried about the price shooting up. I'm just saying I'd like to see that new short(?) story online like Dark Horse and other companies regularly do with similar stories. |
While most of the trades are cheap and easy to get ahold of, there are exceptions. The two Magnus trades and one of the Solar trades sell for about double to triple cover price. The Solar Hardcover has been consistently selling for over 50 bucks for quite awhile too. |
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| ckb wrote: | | The Beyonder wrote: | | *SQUEE* wrote: | | Is that picture recolored? Man it looks SWEET! |
It does look great!
At the risk of being unpopular, I find the ONLY weak spot of Valiant's books was the airbrushed colouring.
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You'll get a lot of disagreement on that one. Many of us find it to one of the features that set Valiant apart from the rest of the crowd in 1992.
The coloring process at Valiant was developed by Shooter and Janet Jackson. It involves Dr. Martin watercolor dyes. I'm under the impression it was hand done with real brushes. I believe "airbrushed" to be an inaccurate characterization.
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Thanks for the welcome!
I figured I'd be alone in mentioning the colouring. I called it a "weak" spot, but it's all relative - Valiant's "weak" is still far better than some other company's "strong"! The original colouring is great, and it's very distinctive (you know with one look that it's a Valiant book). I guess for me, it's one of those things that they could change and it wouldn't affect my enjoyment, or my decision to purchase.
I am hoping that the remastering at least follows the original colour scheme, but like I say, to have these stories and art bound in hardcover is enough for me! |
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Daniel Jackson
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| magnusr wrote: | | The Beyonder wrote: | | At the risk of being unpopular, I find the ONLY weak spot of Valiant's books was the airbrushed colouring. |
The airbrushed pages were so few I guess you can complain about them without any risk. The watercolor-painted books though, those are loved. Anyway, the method used is not as important as the artistic skills of the colorist and Valiant had some great artists whose pages would look great whatever techique they used.
Edit: Just saw Chris' post. I agree.
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I don't know the Valiant coloring process very well, but I'm wondering if the coloured files didn't age well, or are difficult to reproduce somehow. Hence the "remastering".
The "remastering" term is tricky - I've done some colouring work on Dark Horse's "Chronicles of Conan" series, which boasts "remastered" colour. The use of the term there means "completely redone" colour, ignoring the original colour scheme. It's made me the enemy of many a Conan fan.
Like I say, it would be great to at least respect the original colouring scheme. |
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| The Beyonder wrote: | | I'm wondering if the coloured files didn't age well, or are difficult to reproduce somehow. Hence the "remastering". |
They do fade in sunlight, especially the blue colors. But the main problem is that there is no archive of color originals. Or any originals. I would guess that the HC is based on washed scans of the books.
| Quote: | | Like I say, it would be great to at least respect the original colouring scheme. |
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| magnusr wrote: | | The Beyonder wrote: | | I'm wondering if the coloured files didn't age well, or are difficult to reproduce somehow. Hence the "remastering". |
They do fade in sunlight, especially the blue colors. But the main problem is that there is no archive of color originals. Or any originals. I would guess that the HC is based on washed scans of the books.
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You know, I was wondering how they managed to do that. I thought maybe they had some sort of backup art copies that came with the sale in case reprint issues were ever needed. You're probably right though. |
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | The coloring was what first attracted me Valiant. Then I read the stories and they blew me away. |
Well said DJ and exactly what got me into VALIANT from the get go |
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| Ryan wrote: | | but this is a new company trying to raise our favorite characters from the ashes |
More like a new company trying to bring back the characters from the pile of dung Nicieza left in his wake.
They even took pictures of it, you can find it in some of the *Acclaim (1997 series)* comics. |
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | The coloring was what first attracted me Valiant. Then I read the stories and they blew me away. |
Some of the colorests (sp?) like JJ, Gonzales, and Cavalero put more time and artistic ability in to these books then some of the artists and inkers.
It's sad to see them go to computer coloring. |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | Daniel Jackson wrote: | | The coloring was what first attracted me Valiant. Then I read the stories and they blew me away. |
Some of the colorests (sp?) like JJ, Gonzales, and Cavalero put more time and artistic ability in to these books then some of the artists and inkers.
It's sad to see them go to computer coloring. |
Yeah, Janet was/is my favorite. She can really make a book stand out. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Ryan wrote: | | but this is a new company trying to raise our favorite characters from the ashes |
More like a new company trying to bring back the characters from the pile of dung Nicieza left in his wake.
They even took pictures of it, you can find it in some of the *Acclaim (1997 series)* comics. |
That's the Mike I remember!
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| b3studios wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | | Ryan wrote: | | but this is a new company trying to raise our favorite characters from the ashes |
More like a new company trying to bring back the characters from the pile of dung Nicieza left in his wake.
They even took pictures of it, you can find it in some of the *Acclaim (1997 series)* comics. |
That's the Mike I remember!
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| does this mean they are going to print other valiant hardcovers??!! |
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| 1st Among Equals wrote: | | does this mean they are going to print other Valiant hardcovers??!! |
that would be the hope of most of the local fanboys... |
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It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what VALIANT did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
This would be a dream come true for me. The only exposure I have to these pre-unity issues is a trading card set with a bunch of synopsi. Thank god that the CDN dollar is nearly equal to the USD!
As a newbie, I don't understand the rights issues for these characters.... Does the company who is producing the Harbinger HC have the legal ability to publish the books as you've outlined above? (Sorry if this is a rookie question) |
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
Thats an excellent break down, MOTA.
A reprinting of the A&O story would be great but for me the gem of these possibilities is a Magnus #0-8 HC. Reprinting what most consider to be 2 of Valiant's 3 best storylines in one book would be outstanding. It would be a thick book so it might not happen, though. |
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Daniel Jackson
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| The Beyonder wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
This would be a dream come true for me. The only exposure I have to these pre-unity issues is a trading card set with a bunch of synopsi. Thank god that the CDN dollar is nearly equal to the USD!
As a newbie, I don't understand the rights issues for these characters.... Does the company who is producing the Harbinger HC have the legal ability to publish the books as you've outlined above? (Sorry if this is a rookie question) |
I think someone mentioned (maybe Greg) that they can reprint whatever Valiant and Acclaim previously put out. |
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Agreed, DJ. 25$ might even be too cheap. I'm concerned that Dino might be selling short considering the investment. If this book is going to be as nice as it sounds, I would be fine with me if he set the price at something closer to $40 or more. The higher price probably would do little to effect pre-orders anyway and it would increase his per-unit margins. Whatever it takes to make VEI succeed. |
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I am all for new HC's of the old material. That would TOTALLY rock...
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greg
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My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
(...or does proximity to the warehouse help at all?)
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myron
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| slym2none wrote: | I am all for new HC's of the old material. That would TOTALLY rock...
-slym |
yeah buddy!
considering that I have toyed with the idea of doing hardcover bindings myself... |
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Zero
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| greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
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Daniel Jackson
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| Zero wrote: | | greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well. |
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X-O HoboJoe
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | Zero wrote: | | greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well. |
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now. |
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Daniel Jackson
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| X-O HoboJoe wrote: | | Daniel Jackson wrote: | | Zero wrote: | | greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
because of the Memorial Day holiday. Is that true for everyone?
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well. |
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now. |
It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant..... |
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X-O HoboJoe
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | X-O HoboJoe wrote: | | Daniel Jackson wrote: | | Zero wrote: | | greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well. |
Made it myself.
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now. |
It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant..... |
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Daniel Jackson
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| Um, I think you forgot something on the post above, Hobo..... |
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MedicAR
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You finally did it! He's speechless! |
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Dr. Solar
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | X-O HoboJoe wrote: | | Daniel Jackson wrote: | | Zero wrote: | | greg wrote: | My LCS said that comics (and PREVIEWS) will be delayed until Thursday
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It is true for myself. My LCS warned me not to even try on Wednesday because of the holiday weekend. He said everything would shift to Thursday this week. |
Same here, I talked with mine yesterday and he said Thursday as well. |
They're lying. I'm reading the damn thing right now. |
It's probably an early edition yellow stained variant..... |
The famous peedigree that we have all heard of. |
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X-O HoboJoe
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You finally did it! He's speechless! |
Bout time. |
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BrianT
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
Isn't a little early to make this sort of statements? |
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leonmallett
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| Chiclo wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: | It's the best marketting tool they got.
They have to flood the market with the stories they already produced and are hard to find so that the current target audience can be brough to speed.
This is how the Pre Unity HCs would break down in issue count and cost.
Harbinger HC: 0-7 (#8 is part of Unity) for $24.95
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume II: 9-14 (#15 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95.
Rai HC: 0-5 (#6 is part of Unity) for little less than $24.95
Shadowman HC: 1-3 (#4 is Unity, so this would be a really thin and cheap collection, unless they did like what Valiant did with the tp and skip over Unity, which isn't likely) for very little, maybe even less than $10 USD.
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume I: Alpha & Omega for like $9.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume II: 1-7 (#8 is when Solar returned to Earth after a year in space, so it makes sense for the next HC to start there) for about $24.95
Solar Man of The Atom HC Volume III: 8-11 (#12 is Unity) for less than $24.95
X-O Manowar HC: 1-6 (#7 is Unity) for little under $24.95
That's a total of nine hardcovers to collect all of Pre Unity, with a price range somewhere arond $200 USD or a little less. |
Isn't a little early to make this sort of statements? |
Plus flooding a market carries great financial risk. Supply and demand. If there is too much supply store owners aren't going to help carry that risk n what is today and untested commodity. Chiclo is right to suggest that it is early days yet. |
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TKWill
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| I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me. |
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leonmallett
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| ThrillKillWill wrote: | | I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me. |
Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required. |
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Zero
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| leonmallett wrote: | | ThrillKillWill wrote: | | I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me. |
Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required. |
It depends on the purpose... Suppose they plan to start over at (or after) Unity. They may want to release all the pre-Unity material in hardcover format so that new fans can get the early stuff easily at their LCS.
The new stories could be independent of the early stories & yet still be interconnected. Meaning, you don't need the early stories to jump on at the relaunch, but say an all new fan (who has never read Valiant before) picks up the new Harbinger line & really enjoys it. That fan would have an easily accessible hardcover of Harbinger available to read the early stories to get an even more complete 'picture' of what Harbinger is about.
This is, of course, just speculation & has no basis in reality other than the possibility that I might have guessed well. |
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leonmallett
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| Zero wrote: | | leonmallett wrote: | | ThrillKillWill wrote: | | I guess it really depends on how spaced out they are as far as realease dates. For me I like the idea of a teaser of their flagship line. Enough to say hey, don't forget about us. For me, I would prefer to get some an all-new run on those titles along with an HC reprint. HC collection after HC collection may not inspire a huge following for new fans, afterall they could have picked up alot of these books over the last five-ten years for pretty much what the HC reprint will cost them. The $24.95 is ridiculously low, though that will help. But I want the HC reprint. BTW I told my LCS to order 2 for me. |
Point well made. This has to be the start, a foundation of sorts, but throwing a lot of books out is going to overwhelm new fans. If there are $200+ worth of hardcovers, then that is pretty intimidating. The new stuff, even if it tips its hat to what has gone before, needs to feel a fresh enough start that new readers aren't scared off by the scale of investment required. |
It depends on the purpose... Suppose they plan to start over at (or after) Unity. They may want to release all the pre-Unity material in hardcover format so that new fans can get the early stuff easily at their LCS.
The new stories could be independent of the early stories & yet still be interconnected. Meaning, you don't need the early stories to jump on at the relaunch, but say an all new fan (who has never read Valiant before) picks up the new Harbinger line & really enjoys it. That fan would have an easily accessible hardcover of Harbinger available to read the early stories to get an even more complete 'picture' of what Harbinger is about.
This is, of course, just speculation & has no basis in reality other than the possibility that I might have guessed well. |
Fair comment, however I think TWK and I were posting about the suggestion by MOTA of swamping the market (which is not yet re-established) with a significant number of hardcovers being released. As great as that would be for existing fans, there is no sense in VEI just releasing according to the tastes of this board alone - they will need new readers, and to remain a viable publisher risk needs to be borne safely. |
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ManofTheAtom
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I think VE should release one new HC every two months or so (9 HCs in 18 months) and have each come come with a completely new story (like the Origin of Harada by Shooter and Hall) that's related to the story that's being reprinted.
This way they do both at the same time, a new story and an old one. |
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leonmallett
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| ManofTheAtom wrote: | I think VE should release one new HC every two months or so (9 HCs in 18 months) and have each come come with a completely new story (like the Origin of Harada by Shooter and Hall) that's related to the story that's being reprinted.
This way they do both at the same time, a new story and an old one. |
That sounds better. Your previous post sounded like releasing a glut of 'em.
That said, I hope to see new stuff not in hardcover reprints sooner rather than later. In other words VEI - new comics please... |
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sonicdan
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Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.
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Ryan
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Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.
DAN |
Now that's support! I ordered one down here at Trade-a-tape in Lincoln, hopefully that will get them to order a few more than they would have. |
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Guys, if you can't find a shop to get you copies, I will take pre-orders for them till the 25th of the month, at 20% off cover price plus shipping. My store info is below.
I am a huge Valiant fan, and not just a reseller, and do pretty decent mail order business in the store, which has been open for close to 14 years. We ship worldwide and have a great mail order discount for comics and graphic novels. Let me know and I will make sure you are taken care of.
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greg
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PREVIEWS is out today...
Here are the three ads for HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING
Page 211 (Diamond Previews Featured Item, about 1/4 page)
Page 365 (Valiant Entertainment advertisement, full page)
click to enlarge
Page 366 (Catalog listing, 1/4 page)
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Well said!
I went to my LCS today and ordered me 4 copies.
I got the shop owner to order some for regular stock as well.
DAN |
Now that's support! I ordered one down here at Trade-a-tape in Lincoln, hopefully that will get them to order a few more than they would have. |
4 is what I have ordered as well 2 each from diff LCS (in case orders get wacked for some popular reason ) |
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Daniel Jackson
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| I talked to my LCS guy today and made my order. I asked him if he was going to order any for the shop besides just preorder folks. I was kinda surprised that he acted a little hesitant on ordering more. I told him that he can't get any better than 25 bucks for a hardcover with that many pages and a new Shooter story to boot. He quickly agreed and left the Previews book open on the counter and said he was going to show it to his customers. |
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Ryan
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Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
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I would love to see a hardcover of just Magnus 0-4 with all of the extra pages and stuff they were going to do for Steel Nation Vol I & II (http://www.valiantcomics.com/Valiant/images/comics/promos/steelnatmed.jpg)
It was expanded to 128 pages so that would be a nice HC for new and old fans alike. I just wonder if Valiant Ent. has access to the unpublished material. |
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myron
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smart man...
on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there... |
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Ryan
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on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there... |
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now..... |
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myron
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Daniel Jackson wrote: | | I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now..... |
we've waited over a decade for something like this...what's another 3 months... |
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Daniel Jackson
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| myron wrote: | | Daniel Jackson wrote: | | I'm kinda bummed that book won't be out till the 29th of August. I want it now..... |
we've waited over a decade for something like this...what's another 3 months... |
Hahaha.....I'm like a kid waiting to open his presents at Christmas...... |
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SnotDrip
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryan wrote: | | myron wrote: |
on a side note, anyone else notice the names listed at the bottom of the full page add??? lots of trademarks listed there... |
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..."and many others"
love that .... |
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ManofTheAtom
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Doctor Mirage, yay!!! |
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ManofTheAtom
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ManofTheAtom
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryan wrote: | | ManofTheAtom wrote: |
Magnus Robot Fighter HC Volume I: 0-8 (all of Steel Nation and Invasion, including the Rai flipbook tie ins) for little over $24.95 would be my guess.
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I would love to see a hardcover of just Magnus 0-4 with all of the extra pages and stuff they were going to do for Steel Nation Vol I & II (http://www.valiantcomics.com/Valiant/images/comics/promos/steelnatmed.jpg)
It was expanded to 128 pages so that would be a nice HC for new and old fans alike. I just wonder if Valiant Ent. has access to the unpublished material. |
That be cool |
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BrianT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.
I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.
And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use. |
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IMJ
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Thomer wrote: | Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.
I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.
And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use. |
With all of this trademark crap going on, they'd be better off doing the LLC wouldn't they? |
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jedimarley
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| IMJ wrote: | | Brian Thomer wrote: | Oh so they are using the "Harbinger" mark, thought maybe they were gonna go with "Harbinger: The Beginning" to try to sidestep the TM issue for now.
I did notice the one ad says Valiant Entertainment LLC and the other says Valiant Entertainment, Inc.
And "Bloodshot" and "Shadowman" (can't see what it says next to X-O) are Reserved. Very nice. Good to get that Bloodshot mark in use. |
With all of this trademark crap going on, they'd be better off doing the LLC wouldn't they? |
LLC and Inc. are basically the same thing. Just one cost more then the other. |
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BrianT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| LLCs and Corporations are both limited liability structures. The main difference between the two is taxation. |
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jedimarley
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| True. But the both offer the same protection if one is being sued. |
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BrianT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| jedimarley wrote: | | True. But the both offer the same protection if one is being sued. |
Right. Sorry. I wasn't correcting you, just expanding on your point. |
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Heath
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Just now getting caught up on everything... Wow. Wow. Shooter & Hall. A freakin' NEW VALIANT story!! Wow.
For those interested, MailOrderComics.com is selling it for $18.71 (plus shipping) for those of us without an LCS. |
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Elveen
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Heath wrote: | Just now getting caught up on everything... Wow. Wow. Shooter & Hall. A freakin' NEW Valiant story!! Wow.
For those interested, MailOrderComics.com is selling it for $18.71 (plus shipping) for those of us without an LCS. |
hey.... so I guess you DO know about it.... |
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betterthanezra
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I informed my LCS that I would be ordering 3 copies of it...Another Comic buyer that gets pretty much anything that comes out also said that he would like 2 of them for the new Shooter story.
So with this many being ordered right off the bat the owner said he will order 10 of them to start with
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BrianT
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.
Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online. |
Given that it already has its own cover, we could be looking at an eventual solo release of just the "Origin of Harada" story or as part of a future FCBD offering. |
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betterthanezra
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Todd Luck wrote: | | dellamorte wrote: | This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.
I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.
Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this. |
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.
Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online. |
Todd I respect your view on this being it's only a slight upgrade in quality and an 8 page NEW story I do feel like your in minority at least in my view...
-Brian |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny ever since I stopped collecting comics (Marvel and DC) now I can afford anything I want these days
(I was spending about $100+ a month on comics )
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magnusr
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryan wrote: | | It was expanded to 128 pages so that would be a nice HC for new and old fans alike. I just wonder if Valiant Ent. has access to the unpublished material. |
I've seen one of those pages on the open market, so probably at least that page is away from the company's access.
/Magnus |
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greg
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