Solar Valiant fans project

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:13 pm

SOTU apparently does not aggree with your philosiphy and you go out of your way make his sale harder.

Just as I would go out of my way to make a drug deal harder, or a wife selling her husband's things for pennies without his knowledge harder, or any of a number of shady things.

You're DARN RIGHT I'm gonna make this sale as hard as I possibly can.

And I'm gonna do it SOLELY by the POWER of my WORDS.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:15 pm

BTW if none of the things I mentioned have any place in this conversation, because "none of them are happening here" then where exactly does the child molestation reference fit in? Did you mention somthing absurdly unrelated in order to make a point? (wow,... wish I'd thought of that....)

You're not very experienced in making analogies, are you?

You don't understand that my analogies are carefully crafted to RELATE to my points, and have DIRECT BEARING on the point I've JUST made.

YOUR analogies didn't relate to ANYTHING except to point out that there are "things we disagree with in the world."

Whoopee.

Oh, and for the record....Galileo? Not murdered. Just in case you were wondering.

Oops.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:15 pm

Of course it is true that 99.9999999% of comic books are not VcVSS's (I'm approximating here....) However that does not give you the right to tell others how to feel abut them.

Sure does.

I have the right granted to me and everyone else by Greg to tell you exactly what I feel, provided I don't break Greg's rules....which no one has done in this thread except Akuma.

If you disagree, make your case. Don't sit there and whine for me to STOP making MY case.

Make YOUR case.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:16 pm

Or what to do with them. It is your right to try, but intentionally interfereing with another members sale and trying to convince perspective buyers not to bid, would be a criminal act in lets say the world of Real Estate......... Haven't those rules been set in place by the community standards?

Wow.

Dunno what to say, other than to debunk THAT nonsense:

1. This is not the "world of Real Estate." Your "analogy" fails because this is PUBLIC. I am not sending PMs to everybody and telling them that THIS Solar #1 is damaged, or it's been pooped on, or in ANY WAY lying or misrepresenting the item for sale, which is WHY that would be illegal in, say, the "world of Real Estate." You just stepped into the Twilight Zone with THAT analogy.

2. No one is "interferring" with a potential sale. You may have missed the part where Akuma said to PRIVATE MESSAGE HIM with offers? And show me how I have otherwise "interferred" with the sale. Expressing the reality of the situation is not spamming the thread, nor is it preventing ANYONE from accessing it.

3. The word is "PROspective." PERspective is a completely different word.

Nice try, but man....bizarre.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:16 pm

"And these are not VALIANT FANS.COM community standards...these are community standards that have been around since Western Civilization was born. I didn't invent them....I just uphold them. "

Yeah, quoting back my words to me would have meaning if the reason you were quoting them was valid.

As you can see from my debunking above...it's not.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:16 pm

How come you don't uphold the community standard that says trying to rig the bidding on a board auction is wrong?

What part of "this wasn't a board auction" is beyond your comprehension?

Hmmmm...?

And I'm sorry, but since when is posting "rigging"?

You're wrong on so many counts, I don't know what to debunk first!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:16 pm

Is that not one of the precious rules we've all agreed to observe? Oh I see if its a standard that conflicts with what is upsetting you it becomes optional...... OK fair enough. Live and let live........

Like I said...you're wrong on so many counts, I don't know what to debunk first!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:17 pm

As for drawing the line, It's simple. When someone who is defensless is being hurt and needs defending. that is where I draw the line.

Oh, I see.....so what's your definition of "defenseless"?

And that means it's ok to hurt people who are NOT defenseless?

That's what you said, right?

So, if someone walks up to a police officer, who is NOT defenseless, and shoots them in the head...that's ok with you, right?

See how logic totally devastates your "arguments"?

No....you cannot draw the line ANYWHERE if you won't draw the line at clear right and wrong, without being a hypocrite.

Get your EGO out of this. This isn't YOU vs. ME. This is RIGHT vs. WRONG.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:18 pm

(I had to put these two together, cause they're the same point.

)

You know like child sweat shops

If a child WANTS to work in a "sweat shop" to provide money for their family...who are you to tell them otherwise?

, or an elderly man being ridiculed for voicing his opinions,

Here's where you're wrong YET AGAIN: when you VOICE your opinions, REGARDLESS OF HOW ELDERLY OR FRAGILE YOU MAY BE, you EXPOSE yourself to your opinions being CHALLENGED. If you don't WANT your opinions to be CHALLENGED, DON'T VOICE THEM.

But if your opinions are VALID, then they will be able to STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS, REGARDLESS of who is challenging them!

Isn't that WONDERFUL how that works?

If a frail, fragile 89 year old man were to say "children as young as 2 should have no protection under the law, and can make consentual sexual arrangments with adults"....then, because he's frail and old, then his opinion can't be challenged?

That's what you just said. Is that what you actually MEANT?

Do you understand where logic totally devastates your "arguments"?

It's not WHO says something that matters...it's WHAT they say. If an elderly man is strong enough to VOICE his opinion, he's strong enough to have it CHALLENGED.

Giving deference to people's opinions based on WHO they are, rather than on the MERIT of what they say leads to...what? Ah yes....CHAOS.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:18 pm

or maybe even a group of innocent people (convicted criminals are by definition not innocent....)

Here's a clue for you: no one is "innocent."

Oh yes, lots of people are innocent of actual, on the books CRIMES.

But no one is innocent. If you believe that, you have a strange outlook on life.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:18 pm

being forced to live and work someplace other than where they would like to be, by a larger group who consider themselves to be entitled to certain luxuries because God said so.... ect.

Relevance to this conversation?

All of those scenarios have one thing in common. The ignorant singleing out the weaker innocent.......... BS by my way of thinking.

Again...relevance to this conversation?

Akuma is neither weaker, nor innocent.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 pm

Akuma is by no means defensless, however there is a small group of members who consistantly gang up on him whenever he (or anyone) tries to sell his VcVss books.

There hasn't been a PUBLIC sale of a VcVSS in over a year. I like to think I had a hand in making that happen (oh, I'm not so naive to imagine that they don't get sold in private. I know they do, and have. But in PUBLIC....that's another thing.)

As far as "gang up"....I'll say it again: where were YOU when *I* was "ganged up on"....oh yes....YOU were one of the gang members.

So, it's OK to "gang up" on someone if you AGREE with them, but it's NOT ok if you don't....because that's exactly what you've done.

The reality is, I didn't WHINE about being ganged up on, because not only is such a situation not really POSSIBLE on a message board, but I can HANDLE whatever it is that is tossed my way.

If someone CANNOT handle a CONVERSATION, the choice is simple: ignore the other person/people.

And it's pretty much just me, here, OCD. A COUPLE of other members have stated THEIR opinions, but as you might WANT to notice, the only one REALLY advocating my position....is ME.

Fancy that.

Poor ol' Akuma being "ganged up on."

Poor thing.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 pm

(Nit pick the verbage all you like. Not mad about the profiting?

I never said I wasn't "mad about the profiting [sic]"....I said that MAKING a profit on something was NOT the POINT. DO try and follow along, will you?

Ok then lets see,... is he within his right to sell the thing?..... Um yep. He sure is.

Again: this is not contested. So why do you keep bringing it up?

[quote[Of couse he has to deal with your auction tampering and constant berating in order to accomplish this feat....)[/quote]

Oh, poor Akuma, has to deal with my constant berating....oh no, poor him....you know, there's an ignore function for that.

As far as "berating"...ONCE AGAIN....you must have missed the point where Akuma called me "a fat republican" and "bush lover" amongst other things.

THAT'S ok, because you AGREE with that....right?

That's what you're saying, right?

It's ok to do THAT, but it's NOT ok to tell him he's wrong for selling this for a profit?

I see.

Intesresting moral relativism you've got going there, OCD.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 pm

I've been reading this board for a LONNG time. One things has always been the same. You seem to think

Please do not PRESUME for an INSTANT to tell ME what I SEEM to think. I don't tell YOU what you seem to THINK, so please extend me the SAME courtesy. Thanks.

that if you type more than your opponent, you win.

No, let me tell you what I ACTUALLy think....I think that if I present a well thought out, eloquent argument, I win. I'm sorry, is there something MORE to any debate besides eloquent, well thought out arguments?

If so, by all means, please tell me!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:20 pm

The truth is that for all your fancy words,

Fancy words?

I guess "eloquent" is a "fancy word."

and intelligence (yes you are obviously intelligent) most of your posts go mostly unread mainly because by the time i get half way through one of them I can't remember what your are quoting about

You mean, most of my posts go "mostly unread" by YOU? Is that because they're frequently above your head....? I mean, you're ADMITTING you can't remember what I'm quoting about, even though my posts are generally shorter than a typical letter column letter?

How's THAT for A.D.D.? Not something I would admit if I were you!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:20 pm

.......... I skip them as for the most part as they are always the same.

So....let me get this straight.....you came back to share your "Rare 2 Cents" just to NOT read what I've written?

"Zeph picks each little phrase and sentence apart with some ridiculous literal comeback,

No, dear, I don't "pick each little phrase and sentence apart"...I answer each complete idea one by one. MY posting style is a LOT clearer, a LOT more relevant, and a LOT more cogent than the "let's reply at the end."

Apparently, you're COMPLETELY unaware of how to debate. That's how GROWN UPS do it. You say something, I reply. That's how it works, kid.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:21 pm

and ends up with something along the lines of

"You just don't get do you?!!! I'm right, and you don't have the patience to post a valid response!!!!" Hah I win!!! Everyone LOOK!!! I've bored another one into giving up!!!!"

Don't be *SQUEE*. It doesn't look good on you.

I have NEVER said "Hah I win!!!!" with ANY amount of seriousness.

That you think it IS serious just makes you look that much more silly.

The fact of the matter is this: if someone doesn't have the stomach to FINISH a debate, then why START one? That's exactly what you're saying here: you don't have the stamina to conduct yourself in a debate YOU started! Amazing!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:21 pm

MaN that gets old. If you were really 100% correct, you would not need so many words and quotes and and distractions to make your point.

Let's clear up a couple of your misconceptions....

1. I need so many "words and quotes" because too many of my opponents play words games and if another interpretation of a word, phrase, or thought CAN be made, it WILL. I QUALIFY THE SH!T out of everything I say because if I DON'T....you, the politicians that you are, will weasel your way into it and say I said things that I never said.

So....for the sake of ABSOLUTE CLARITY, I make each point ABSOLUTELY crystal clear. That doesn't take a FEW words.

You may have noticed that the ENCYCLOPEDIA shares the same trait.

2. I don't offer "distractions." You whined about me "picking each post apart line by line", which is so I can ANSWER each THOUGHT, but then you claim I make "distractions." WHICH IS IT?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:28 pm

You are indeed correct as often as anyone else is I guess, but I've NEVER seen you type somethng like

"Hey you know what I was wrong. I've had a change of heart and thanks for shedding some new light on the subject...."

And what would that prove?

You want to know the reason WHY you've never seen it? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO PAY ATTENTION.

Have I been wrong about DETAILS in the past? Oh yes. Have I ADMITTED that?

Oh yes.

Why don't you believe that? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO PAY ATTENTION.

You haven't SEEN them because YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. You MISS the times when I've been factually wrong about something, and am corrected, and say "oh yeah, oops."

Go on....ask The Spider....ask him. Ask him if he's ever corrected me. Ask him if I've said "oh, yeah, sorry, dunno what was I thinking."

You know WHY you don't see them, OCD? Because THEY DON'T BLOW UP INTO BIG ISSUES.

No, what you are doing is typical human nature...IGNORE what you can't be bothered to pay attention to in favor of hyperbole to prove some "point" that isn't correct to begin with.

YOU don't see when that happens because you're trying DESPERATELY to make me look bad....instead of attacking the ISSUE, you're attacking ME, the PERSON, and my character, because you hope to sway people into believing that "yeah, that ZWH, he NEVER admits he's wrong about ANYTHING"....

DESPITE the MANY, MANY examples to the contrary on THIS...VERY...BOARD that YOU CAN'T EVEN BE BOTHERED TO FIND, and WOULDN'T PRESENT if you DID find them!

GREG has corrected me in the past, too! Did I say to him "well, you're just WRONG and I'm RIGHT, so there!" as you're claiming?

Nope.

You know why ELSE you've never seen that about a DEBATE?

Because I DON'T GET INVOLVED IN DEBATES WHERE MY POSITION IS WEAK. I don't involve myself in DEBATES where my beliefs about the debate SUBJECT are ILL FORMED and NOT THOUGHT THROUGH.

EFFING...DUH.

You don't SEE that because I'm NOT A *SQUEE*.

Only *SQUEE* and IDIOTS pick debates about which they know LITTLE or have ILL FORMED opinions, who will then say "oops. I was totally wrong! You've changed my mind on that! WHAT was I THINKING??!!"

Because that would be.....well....*SQUEE*.

You'll RARELY, if EVER, see ANYONE say that they were WRONG about a BELIEF issue (not a FACT issue), because that is the VERY NATURE of beliefs!

Tell me, OCD....why have I NEVER, EVER, EVER seen you EVER admit you were wrong about ANYTHING on these boards....?

HMMMMMMMMMMM?

Ok, let's talk about GALILEO....you were WRONG about HIM, FACTUALLY wrong....yet you STILL haven't had the nerve to admit it. Even though I proved you flat wrong.

I'm sorry....what were you saying about "never admitting he was wrong".....?

I couldn't hear you under sound of moral victory.

(Why am I even typing this? Oh, I know....not for YOU, OCD, because you won't read it...but there are genuine, decent, honest folks out there who actually DO believe in hearing everything a person has to say, and not letting anyone shade or bias their opinions beforehand. THAT'S why.)

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:28 pm

So, which is it? are you blindly stubborn, or all you always absolutely correct?

How about YOU are blindly arrogant, and can't be bothered to see the many times I have been wrong about facts and data and been corrected, and NOT made a big honkin deal about it.

Wrong about my beliefs? Nope. That's why they are CALLED "beliefs."

And, at 34, I should HOPE MOST people are strong enough in their beliefs to defend them WITHOUT being a weak willed wishy washy flipflopper who can be swayed by an ill educated, ad hominem attacking person on a message board! (That's you.)

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:29 pm

Either way you would come out looking petty and sad. I hope your dogs love you as much as you do!

Yes, either way ANYONE would look petty and sad....unfortunately for YOU, neither of them is true.

This isn't about ME, OCD, but once again, you want it to be....just like Akuma....hmmmmmmmm...COINCIDENCE? Not at all.

You people are all alike. Truly. You cannot think with REASON and LOGIC, so you think with EMOTION. You do everything you can to DISCREDIT your opponent, even to the point of INVENTING things that aren't true ("You've NEVER said you're wrong about anything, wahh, wahhh, wahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!") to "make points."

So, how you feeling over there looking petty and sad?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:29 pm

Now, go ahead and tell us all how happy you are that I've resorted to name calling (which I haven't and would not)

Here's an example of OCD trying to put words in other people's mouths that they did not say. MOST likely he's projecting because that's what HE would do in my position.

Ad hominem? Oh yes. Name calling? Where?

Doesn't it suck to be SO wrong SO much of the time, OCD?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:30 pm

(and finally....)

and how that is proof positive that you are winning once again. As it seems the winning is the most important thing

You CLEARLY have NEVER read ANYTHING I've ever typed.

UN FREAKIN BELIEVABLE.

Go back and read this thread, OCD. READ it this time, don't just "skim it" and then invent things you THINK I said.

READ it.

Especially the part where I say, MULTIPLE TIMES, "this isn't about "winning" anything."

................. Not communication just the winning....... Geez, I've been back for three whole posts and I'm tired already!!!!!

That's because you're weak willed, and don't believe in your position to let it stand on its own merits.

If you're so tired....don't start a fight you don't want to finish.

It's very, VERY simple.

Oh, and Galileo....? Still not murdered, after all these years. It'd be kinda hard to murder a dead guy, though....

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:31 pm

There! Bite sized chunks that ANYONE can read without getting "weary" like OCD.

OCD, if any of my posts continue to make you tired, log off, turn off your computer, and go to bed.

I'll still be here tomorrow.

Glad to be of service.

(Oh MAN, isn't ZWH so INFURIATINGLY smug?

)

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:33 pm

I have to admit, I didn't read all those.