Captain America *Spoiler*

[myron]

Well we will just see how this all works out and what the frenzy will do:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0101750083

$2.00 off shipping to board members.

Ended today... $51 bucks. Not a bad turn around.

Nice, considering this.

SSSSSUUUUUCKEEEERRRRRSSSS!

[cobra_commander]

So is Tony Stark gonna be the new Cap or not?

[Daniel Jackson]

So is Tony Stark gonna be the new Cap or not?

He can't he's going back to the bottle.....

[cobra_commander]

So is Tony Stark gonna be the new Cap or not?

He can't he's going back to the bottle.....

Really?

[Daniel Jackson]

So is Tony Stark gonna be the new Cap or not?

He can't he's going back to the bottle.....

Really?

Naw, jk....

[cobra_commander]

So is Tony Stark gonna be the new Cap or not?

He can't he's going back to the bottle.....

Really?

Naw, jk....

Never know...movie coming up...could be the tie-in

[Knightt]

Geez, now I kinda feel bad about selling the book(s) that I had. I did not have any knowledge of this stash of books, if so I would have just kept them as I LOVE the Civil War: The Initiative with IM holding Cap's shield. I will go back to my LCS and still get copies... just because they look good. I get my comics through daydreams but Cap is not on my pull list but upon hearing the 'news' I went down to my LCS (whom I have a semi decent relationship with) and asked if he would save me one or two. The guy only ordered 15 copies as he orders as per request of his customers. So, he actually went over a couple copies, he took care of his regular subscribers and a couple went up on the shelf. But this guy has really changed with the variants. It USED to be that he would get the books in, get a variant and only sell them for cover (that I never took advantage of with the exception of my Ultimate Iron Man books because I loved the sketch variants and am a decent enough Iron Man fan). But NOW with the craze, depending on the ratio (1/20, 1/75 1/1) he charges MORE with the rarer copies being more... so right off the shelf, a more limited book would be $15. And he would brag and brag, 'hey I am all for the comic collector, that is why I only charge cover even for the variants' now to get this, making money (WHICH HE IS SUPPOSED TO DO because he is in business but I just remember the 'here for the comic collector speil' and laugh).

The LCS actually SUCKS and that is why I go with daydreams. The LCS owner asked me once on how did I think that he could improve upon the store... I told him straight up, "Get rid of the f@cking card games, promote your comics and GIVE A DISCOUNT TO REGULAR PULL LIST MEMBERS." He gives NO discount off cover and he comes back with 'but I have the buy two get the third one free off the back issue racks'. Which I said was BS because that just makes me wait to buy issues, wait three months buy two get one free PROVIDING that you still have a third issue left on the rack. He just didnt get it and still thought that he was providing a service to his regular customers.

But hey, it is a business... I know he is there trying to make money. But if it was me, I would be providing my regular customers some kind of benefit for shopping with me every month. He has NO competition in this town so he can do as he wishes and everyone is just happy to have comics.

[dantheman]

I was debating starting a thread titled "can anyone restore my faith in Marvel" but I just don't think its possible anymore. Civil War had me ticked off enough w/everything they were doing to the big Marvel characters like Spider Man, Cap, Iron Man (even the Punisher WJ tie in) but this takes the cake. It has been a long downward spiral for Marvel for years and the whole House of M followed by this CW stuff has officially killed what used to be a pretty cool comic universe. I know Spidey has become Marvel's signature character, but Cap was their Icon! His character WAS the American Spirit!... and I know they will probably bring him back (the way Marvel goes, it'll probably be the Scarlett Witch) but killing off cap in any form, to me, is the comic equivalent to spitting on the American dream.... but my opinion doesn't sell books... ok, done w/my

[cobra_commander]

I was debating starting a thread titled "can anyone restore my faith in Marvel" but I just don't think its possible anymore. Civil War had me ticked off enough w/everything they were doing to the big Marvel characters like Spider Man, Cap, Iron Man (even the Punisher WJ tie in) but this takes the cake. It has been a long downward spiral for Marvel for years and the whole House of M followed by this CW stuff has officially killed what used to be a pretty cool comic universe. I know Spidey has become Marvel's signature character, but Cap was their Icon! His character WAS the American Spirit!... and I know they will probably bring him back (the way Marvel goes, it'll probably be the Scarlett Witch) but killing off cap in any form, to me, is the comic equivalent to spitting on the American dream.... but my opinion doesn't sell books... ok, done w/my

Yeah, that sounds about right

[cobra_commander]

I was debating starting a thread titled "can anyone restore my faith in Marvel" but I just don't think its possible anymore. Civil War had me ticked off enough w/everything they were doing to the big Marvel characters like Spider Man, Cap, Iron Man (even the Punisher WJ tie in) but this takes the cake. It has been a long downward spiral for Marvel for years and the whole House of M followed by this CW stuff has officially killed what used to be a pretty cool comic universe. I know Spidey has become Marvel's signature character, but Cap was their Icon! His character WAS the American Spirit!... and I know they will probably bring him back (the way Marvel goes, it'll probably be the Scarlett Witch) but killing off cap in any form, to me, is the comic equivalent to spitting on the American dream.... but my opinion doesn't sell books... ok, done w/my

It does suck that they do that to Cap and he is a symbol. BBut it is a nice event to get people talking (outside of the comics world I mean). I think thats a good thing. The actual story though is probably gonna be pretty lame...

[The Spider]

So . . . what does anybody think the actual print run is ???

Not sure yet; but looking at the last two issues, it seemed like 79,000 (but they were listed as Civil War tie-ins).

Also something to keep in mind--#25 was supposed to be out in FEBRUARY. And the only thing that was listed in the information was "CLASSIFIED INFORMATION" (and strangely enough it was originally going to have a Bryan Hitch variant instead of Ed McGuinness).

And this is an interesting read: http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.co ... -retailer/

And, sure enough, this week, the final cut-off date for retailers to adjust their orders came about for two major post-Civil War #7 books, Captain America #25 and Civil War: The Initiative #1.

The latter is not much of a big deal, as Marvel has basically given folks as much information about The Initiative as one could expect. But Captain America #25 is a whole other story. As you may have heard, a major hero is supposedly going to perish in the last issue of Civil War. Is it Captain America? If it IS, then that would certainly impact the sales of Captain America #25, now wouldn’t it? Similarly, if it is NOT, that would ALSO impact the sales of Captain America #25. However, since the delay in Civil War #7 occurred without the cut-off date being changed, retailers had to finalize their orders for Captain America #25 a week BEFORE Civil War #7 was released.

Marvel has been telling retailers for awhile now, “Trust us, order a lot of Captain America #25, but we can’t tell you any more than that.” But how can a retailer order non-returnable comic books based just on that?

It is tough situation, and it is irritating because Marvel apparently realized that there was a problem and said they’d deal with it, but the latest delay kept them from helping retailers out, and placing retailers into a real crapshoot.

[stone384]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

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[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

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To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

[siren3-4]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

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To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

Yea . . .175,000 is not so incredibily high that the book should be in the dollar bin anytime soon and will certainly see a 2nd printing.

Also the double cover takes away some of that print run as most collectors will want both. We will have to see if one cover takes over as the "more desireable" I personally like the handcuff cover but you never can tell.

The Wizard World cover is nice. I snagged one of ebay but I am waiting to hear that the seller is re-negging now that they are $100.00 books . . .we'll see . . . ebay is a contract right ????

[greg]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

m

To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

Yea . . .175,000 is not so incredibily high that the book should be in the dollar bin anytime soon and will certainly see a 2nd printing.

Also the double cover takes away some of that print run as most collectors will want both. We will have to see if one cover takes over as the "more desireable" I personally like the handcuff cover but you never can tell.

The Wizard World cover is nice. I snagged one of ebay but I am waiting to hear that the seller is re-negging now that they are $100.00 books . . .we'll see . . . ebay is a contract right ????

I think it's interesting that the price is already falling faster than Wolverine: Origin #1 (from 2001).
Similar print runs, too.

The end result is probably going to be that both books
are readily available for about the same price... whatever that might be.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

m

To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

Yea . . .175,000 is not so incredibily high that the book should be in the dollar bin anytime soon and will certainly see a 2nd printing.

Also the double cover takes away some of that print run as most collectors will want both. We will have to see if one cover takes over as the "more desireable" I personally like the handcuff cover but you never can tell.

The Wizard World cover is nice. I snagged one of ebay but I am waiting to hear that the seller is re-negging now that they are $100.00 books . . .we'll see . . . ebay is a contract right ????

I think it's interesting that the price is already falling faster than Wolverine: Origin #1 (from 2001).
Similar print runs, too.

The end result is probably going to be that both books
are readily available for about the same price... whatever that might be.

Ehhh...I dunno, Origin #1 still sells for the $$15-20 range....did it ever sell for $112? (I don't know, I wasn't paying attention.)

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

m

To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

Yea . . .175,000 is not so incredibily high that the book should be in the dollar bin anytime soon and will certainly see a 2nd printing.

Also the double cover takes away some of that print run as most collectors will want both. We will have to see if one cover takes over as the "more desireable" I personally like the handcuff cover but you never can tell.

The Wizard World cover is nice. I snagged one of ebay but I am waiting to hear that the seller is re-negging now that they are $100.00 books . . .we'll see . . . ebay is a contract right ????

What I meant was: having a book that wasn't hyped to the gills (like this one) have initial orders in the 100's is a VERY good sign for the industry in general. Five years ago, this was in the 50-75K range.

[stone384]

ah ha!....

As the order numbers came in, what was your reaction in regards to whether or not retailers got the message? Did you make the decision then that the issue was going to need to be overprinted?

DG: We knew all along that the issue needed a strong overprint, because we had to keep the info classified. It's not really fair to hide the solicits, then not print enough to meet expected demand. We had no idea that the media would hit as hard as it did, and let's be honest if something big had happened in the world, we might not have received the coverage that we did. The overprint had been noted in the weekly Marvel Mailer that goes out to all retailers.

NRAMA: Obviously, you’re not going to give numbers, but just in terms of a ballpark - how large was the overprint on Captain America #25 compared to its initial orders?

DG: Let's just say we did the largest ever.

NRAMA: What has the reorder velocity been for the issue?

DG: This book has the highest reorder velocity that we - or Diamond - has ever seen. I don't actually see an hour to hour report so I can't tell you anything more specific than that.

NRAMA: Still, there are a limited number of copies left for reorder, so at this rate, when do you predict the supply being exhausted?

DG: I hate to predict...but I think it may be soon. No one, not Marvel, not retailers, not fans...knew what the media impact would be for this title. But let me state, that just like all of comics, because publishers & distributors may be out of the issue, does not mean that retailers are out... Regarding Captain America #25, there are still copies available all across the country at regular prices. And if your store is out now there’s more on the way.

here is the whole ariticle...http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104488
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[Second_Death]

I wonder if we will see a record number of Ebay bid retractions on Cap #25 auctions.

[Knightt]

I wonder if we will see a record number of Ebay bid retractions on Cap #25 auctions.

I bet they go up a lot... but I believe that I also spotted a lot of shill bidding. Anyone else notice this ?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

ah ha!....

As the order numbers came in, what was your reaction in regards to whether or not retailers got the message? Did you make the decision then that the issue was going to need to be overprinted?

DG: We knew all along that the issue needed a strong overprint, because we had to keep the info classified. It's not really fair to hide the solicits, then not print enough to meet expected demand. We had no idea that the media would hit as hard as it did, and let's be honest if something big had happened in the world, we might not have received the coverage that we did. The overprint had been noted in the weekly Marvel Mailer that goes out to all retailers.

NRAMA: Obviously, you’re not going to give numbers, but just in terms of a ballpark - how large was the overprint on Captain America #25 compared to its initial orders?

DG: Let's just say we did the largest ever.

NRAMA: What has the reorder velocity been for the issue?

DG: This book has the highest reorder velocity that we - or Diamond - has ever seen. I don't actually see an hour to hour report so I can't tell you anything more specific than that.

NRAMA: Still, there are a limited number of copies left for reorder, so at this rate, when do you predict the supply being exhausted?

DG: I hate to predict...but I think it may be soon. No one, not Marvel, not retailers, not fans...knew what the media impact would be for this title. But let me state, that just like all of comics, because publishers & distributors may be out of the issue, does not mean that retailers are out... Regarding Captain America #25, there are still copies available all across the country at regular prices. And if your store is out now there’s more on the way.

here is the whole ariticle...http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=104488
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Ah ha! what?

What is your "ah ha!" about?

David Gabriel doesn't know what he's talking about if he thinks copies are still available NOW "all across the country" at "regular prices".....what is a "regular price"? Note he didn't say "COVER price". He said "regular prices".....was that on purpose? Dunno. He made the word "price" plural, even though the COVER price is the same, and he used the word "regular" instead of "cover"....inconsequential?

Who knows.

And when a comic appears in a headline NY Post story, on Yahoo, on MSN, everywhere.....it is NOT going to be in stores "all across the country".....and this can be PROVEN by the number of RE-orders that have come in from nearly EVERY Diamond account (translation....nearly EVERY store has back-ordered more copies.)

I also don't believe him when he says this book had the "highest reorder velocity Diamond has ever seen." He must not have been around in November of 1992.

[stone384]

Ah Ha as in there is now proof that Marvel overprinted this books. Actual word from a Marvel exec. that there are more copies on the way. Really Zeph do I have to explain everything to you? *ducks*
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[Daniel Jackson]

Waits for it.....

[Knightt]

I just ordered Captain America #25 both covers from my LCS. Supposed to be here on 21 March. Now, I can have these two in my collection. I dunno... kinda cool.

[cobra_commander]

from Lyria...

according to the CGC boards, initial (ordered) print run = 110,000; Marvel's additional overprint = 65,000.

m

To have the book in the 100's as initial orders is a VERY good sign...

Yea . . .175,000 is not so incredibily high that the book should be in the dollar bin anytime soon and will certainly see a 2nd printing.

Also the double cover takes away some of that print run as most collectors will want both. We will have to see if one cover takes over as the "more desireable" I personally like the handcuff cover but you never can tell.

The Wizard World cover is nice. I snagged one of ebay but I am waiting to hear that the seller is re-negging now that they are $100.00 books . . .we'll see . . . ebay is a contract right ????

I think what you mean to say is ebay is a contract yeah right???