Auction Hall of Shame!

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:38 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:New seller for the Auction Hall of Shame:

rosjim.

Now, I understand that he currently has 100% feedback.

Bully for him and all that.

Unfortunately, I won a New Mutants #87-100 lot from him described as "VF/NM".

His description:

"This entire excellent and collectable lot is in VF/NM condition !!!

A comment about grading: I will grade these comics the best and most honestly I can using the newest Overstreet Grading Guide, but oversights and mistakes do happen. Please ask any questions BEFORE you bid on an issue."

Ok, sounds like a decent seller, wants to do right, and even if he messed up, he'd be willing to fix it...right?

Plus, hey, the 100% positive feedback thing.

So, I get the books...

NM #87 had an 1.5" long and deep scratch in the cover, plus some other scratches, like...I dunno, like someone took the tip of a screwdriver and drove it across the cover a bit. It's doesn't cut the paper, but it comes real close.

Certainly not a VF/NM.

#88 had a large brown "splotch" on the cover, about the size of an eraser head, plus other wear.

#89 had mucho small wear all over the book, rendering it a decent Fine, Fine+.

The rest of the issues weren't as bad as this, but they all had some type of damage, except #95 (if I recall correctly) and #100. There was no #98.

So, I wrote this guy, and said this (exact words, now):

Hi! I received my books, thank you! However....you'd graded them VF/NM, but many of these issues have a lot of wear. #87 has some deep scratches, #88 has some brown stains on the cover (a little smaller than a dime) and the rest of the issues have various creases, folds, bends, etc.

What happened? Did I get sent the wrong books? Thanks in advance for your kind reply!

Seller's response:

Sorry about that - they were in a collection I recently bought, and I explained them how they were related to me. I did look them over quickly though, and they appeared to be better than the norm.

~Jim

(Notice anything missing here? Ah yes...an offer to FIX it.)

My response:

So, would a partial refund of $7 work for you?

His response:

No, I'm sorry, but it would not. I said in the description that condition is strongly an opinion, (no, he did not) and that you should ask any questions BEFORE you bid.

Let's be sensible here, even if they were not up to the standards you hoped for, you still got them for about $1.70 apiece = WAY, WAY below guide.

I can not give a refund...

Merry Christmas,
Jim

My response (this is where I usually get angry):

Ok, then, I'll have to file a complaint and chargeback. I TRULY do NOT have time for people who think it's ok to lie about grades, and then try to rationalize it after the fact.

You don't seem to get it: it's not about being "up to the standards I hoped for"...it's about being up to the standards YOU ASSIGNED THEM!!!!

Let's understand something here: you graded the books "VF/NM". If you did not know how to grade, or were unsure of the grade, you SHOULD NOT have assigned a grade. It is precisely BECAUSE you assigned a grade that I bid as high as I did.

I CANNOT ask "so, does issue #88 have any stains on it?" BEFORE bidding, because I had no way of KNOWING (or ASSUMING) that you A. don't know how to grade, or B. were flat out lying about the grades.

Because, you know, it's one of the two.

Asking questions BEFORE bidding DOES NOT...

Let me say that again, so that we're perfectly clear....

DOES......NOT....

...release you from providing books that are IN THE GRADES that YOU assigned!

Again....if you were unsure, you should have NOT ASSIGNED A GRADE.

By the way....you should also know that "guide" means nothing, especially on eBay. That's why it's called a GUIDE. On eBay, very, very little sells for more than even 30% of guide.

Your "$1.70 apiece" line also means nothing...because, for books in these grades, other than the #87 {for which I would have paid NO MORE THAN $3), I would not have paid more than 25 cents.....if anything...for these books in these conditions. Likely, I would have put these right back down, because I AM NOT INTERESTED IN LESS THAN VF/NM BOOKS.

Once again: I BID SPECIFICALLY....SPECIFICALLY.. ..BECAUSE you graded them VF/NM.

Let's understand something: a VF/NM book DOES NOT have brown STAINS on it, as #88 does.

So.....do we take this a step further?

I so do not wish to, but, of course, I will. I will NOT be taken advantage of by sellers on eBay who think it's perfectly acceptable to sell things that are overgraded and get away with it.

Sorry to be such a hardass, but do keep in mind, your total and utter contempt for me and the fact that I'm your CUSTOMER, not to mention the fact that you sent me items that are not as described, has forced my hand.

What say you? Let's be sensible, here, and not try and rip off a customer, eh?

His response:

That's cool, I did not want to say it before, but I think you are lying. The books that left my hands were in VF/NM condition. I'll fight you in the resolution process, and we can let eBay decide who is right.

I'm sorry it had to come to this as well, but I don't think you are being truthful and will not give a refund unless I am forced to. If you want to pursue this further, that's the route we can take...

I honestly don't think it's worth the trouble, but I will not be bullied into giving back money that's NOT deserved!

~Jim

So, not only does he try to rip me off by selling me overgraded books (for which I paid the fair market price FOR THOSE GRADES...not OVERGRADED books)....he then calls me a liar and now wants to fight.

Great.

So, I file a complaint with Paypal...they take their sweetass time....and they finally side with me. Whoopee.

I send the books back, and remind the seller of his "I'll fight you on this" nonsense, tell him I won, and to eff off.

So, the seller gets the books back, and says this:

Hi,

Got the package today, thanks. As I'm sure you realize, I'm not that smart; I wonder if you could explain something to me...

1) I get the comics back
2) You have to pay shipping to get them back to me
3) I get a negative feedback (my first) from you that puts my feedback percentage at 99.9%
4) You get a negative feedback (your sixth) from me that puts yours at 97.2%

Hmmm, please explain to me how you "won"..?

have a great one,
Jim

Isn't that just lovely? Just effing lovely?

What a grand *SQUEE*.

I responded by saying that I won morally, that I can look at myself in the mirror and say "hey....I didn't f@ck somebody over today", and that he could not.

I also said that he had to eat the original shipping, which, of course, he does.

And, of course, that karma's a *SQUEE*, and what comes around, goes around.

Awesome!

Wow. What an *SQUEE*-kicking!

Good thing with ebay though is they do normally make the right choice...anytime thats happened to me...I've won.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:39 am

cobra_commander wrote:

Good thing with ebay though is they do normally make the right choice...anytime thats happened to me...I've won.

They DO??

Since WHEN??

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:10 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:

Good thing with ebay though is they do normally make the right choice...anytime thats happened to me...I've won.

They DO??

Since WHEN??

So far I'm 3 from 3 in disputes...all times I was right...and I got the decision I wanted...I hope these odds don't decrease the more comics you buy...

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:10 am

Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:47 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:

Good thing with ebay though is they do normally make the right choice...anytime thats happened to me...I've won.

They DO??

Since WHEN??

So far I'm 3 from 3 in disputes...all times I was right...and I got the decision I wanted...I hope these odds don't decrease the more comics you buy...

Eh. Every time I've been completely, totally right, too, and have pointed out MANY examples, with evidence, on this and other boards.

And for anyone wondering, it's not nitpicky Zeph, here, where I think a NM book is actually NM-, and I want a full refund....uh, NO. It's more like a Batman #11 graded Fine with every single page crumbling into dust so badly that every single page is detached from every single other page.

I'm a BIG believer in karma, and it would be the height of hypocrisy to invent things that don't exist to try and extort money from people.

I get enough crap books as it IS to go INVENTING more work for me.

I may be a big fat loudmouth, but I'm a big fat loudmouth with integrity.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:48 pm

cobra_commander wrote:Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%

You ever leave a negative?

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:01 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%
You ever leave a negative?

Thats a very good point but thats what I was saying before...every dispute I've had, ebay has, correctly, found in my fsavour...so I didn't leave a neg......of course I should as a warning ot other buyers but thats what the dispute console is for...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:30 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%
You ever leave a negative?

Thats a very good point ...

Exactly.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:31 pm

Oh, and I'm certainly no innocent when it comes to not leaving negs for fear of retaliation.

I've OFTEN not done it.

Human nature is human nature, after all.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:10 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%
You ever leave a negative?

Thats a very good point ...
Exactly.

Thanks for deleting the rest of my post you *SQUEE*

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:27 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Oh yeah and my feedback is still 100%
You ever leave a negative?

Thats a very good point ...
Exactly.

Thanks for deleting the rest of my post you *SQUEE*

Heh... time to go dig up an old thread in Everything Else.....

-slym

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:12 am

scam alert

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-2-CGC-9-6-Joe-S ... dZViewItem

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:22 am

My Rai #4 should be here - but I can't link to it, it's been removed!

-slym

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:45 am

Chuck wrote:scam alert

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-2-CGC-9-6-Joe-S ... dZViewItem

reported...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:37 am

Wow, and only 14 bucks to ship? What a guy!

tssgery · Post by **tssgery** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:36 am

Anyone looking for a "Mint" copy of Marvel Spotlight 5?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marvel-Spotlight-5- ... dZViewItem

As long as you don't mind a lot of wear and a corner of the front cover missing, this seller has one. It is in mint condition though!

ibreakhorses · Post by **ibreakhorses** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:39 am

tssgery wrote:Anyone looking for a "Mint" copy of Marvel Spotlight 5?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marvel-Spotlight-5- ... dZViewItem

As long as you don't mind a lot of wear and a corner of the front cover missing, this seller has one. It is in mint condition though!

Oh my God! Mint!!!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:03 pm

Chuck wrote:scam alert

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-2-CGC-9-6-Joe-S ... dZViewItem

I see he changed it.

-slym

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:15 pm

slym2none wrote:
Chuck wrote:scam alert

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rai-2-CGC-9-6-Joe-S ... dZViewItem
I see he changed it.

-slym

you the man slym

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:23 am

What a bargain!

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERMAN-VERSUS-MUH ... dZViewItem

GGSAE · Post by **GGSAE** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:44 am

Brother J wrote:What a bargain!

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERMAN-VERSUS-MUH ... dZViewItem

Who here is gonna give that guy an erection with a bid on that faboulous item?

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:57 am

GGSAE wrote:
Brother J wrote:What a bargain!

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERMAN-VERSUS-MUH ... dZViewItem
Who here is gonna give that guy an erection with a bid on that faboulous item?

'

COLLECTORS DREAM ONLY SERIOUS COLLECTORS ONLY

Yep. Seriously deranged collectors only

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:06 pm

Should I message this guy and ask him the old South Park line (to President Bush) -

Are you high, or just incredibly stupid?

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:17 pm

Brother J wrote:What a bargain!

http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERMAN-VERSUS-MUH ... dZViewItem

Hahaha..what a joke.

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:26 am

Geez read his feedback, this dude got serious issues threathening people's families.