Auction Hall of Shame!

[cobra_commander]

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAWN-1-Image-1992- ... dZViewItem

Not shame, but what's wrong with this title.....??

God, I feel old.

No idea whats wrong with the title?

[slym2none]

Wasn't Spawn released in 1991, not '92?



-slym

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Wasn't Spawn released in 1991, not '92?



-slym

No.

May of 1992. May....17th, if I recall correctly.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAWN-1-Image-1992- ... dZViewItem

Not shame, but what's wrong with this title.....??

God, I feel old.

No idea whats wrong with the title?

IT'S CALLED "CLASSIC"!

ARRRGHHHHHHH!!!!!

It CAN'T be THAT old.

The frightening thing is.....Spawn #1 is as old NOW as X-Men #94 was when I first started collecting.

YIKES.

[cobra_commander]

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAWN-1-Image-1992- ... dZViewItem

Not shame, but what's wrong with this title.....??

God, I feel old.

No idea whats wrong with the title?

IT'S CALLED "CLASSIC"!

ARRRGHHHHHHH!!!!!

It CAN'T be THAT old.

The frightening thing is.....Spawn #1 is as old NOW as X-Men #94 was when I first started collecting.

YIKES.

Classic!?...I bought it when I was young...I'm still young...its not a f@cking "classic" its "relatively new"...

[slym2none]

Wasn't Spawn released in 1991, not '92?



-slym

No.

May of 1992. May....17th, if I recall correctly.

Oops.





-slym (even Wiki agrees with ZWH)

[X-O HoboJoe]

Wasn't Spawn released in 1991, not '92?



-slym

No.

May of 1992. May....17th, if I recall correctly.

Oops.





-slym (even Wiki agrees with ZWH)

Not for long . . .

[iccarus]

So, I'm in the mood to fill some holes in my ASM run, primarily the venom stuff before it gets too hot. I run across this one

Obviously, worst feeback I've seen in a bit. Just your general bad seller. I take a swing and e-mail him to ask if NM means NM (since we all know how that usually works on ebay).

I would just like to verify condition on this book. Too many sellers list NM in their auctions, and I get books that have cracks in the spine or small rips in the cover/spine. Can you please give me a fair description of the book, with primary focus on the condition of the spine

His reply back:

It sounds like this wouldn't be the book for you.
Take care.

At least he's an honest bad seller.

[siren3-4]

So, I'm in the mood to fill some holes in my ASM run, primarily the venom stuff before it gets too hot. I run across this one

Obviously, worst feeback I've seen in a bit. Just your general bad seller. I take a swing and e-mail him to ask if NM means NM (since we all know how that usually works on ebay).

I would just like to verify condition on this book. Too many sellers list NM in their auctions, and I get books that have cracks in the spine or small rips in the cover/spine. Can you please give me a fair description of the book, with primary focus on the condition of the spine

His reply back:

It sounds like this wouldn't be the book for you.
Take care.

At least he's an honest bad seller.

That hurts my head to read . . . . Jesus . . .

[siren3-4]

From his auction:

"This book is NEAR MINT in UNREAD condition! I only deal in NM stuff. You'll never be sold a "reader copy" of a book like you'll see on the shelf at a book store. "

Amazing . . .

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

So, I'm in the mood to fill some holes in my ASM run, primarily the venom stuff before it gets too hot. I run across this one

Obviously, worst feeback I've seen in a bit. Just your general bad seller. I take a swing and e-mail him to ask if NM means NM (since we all know how that usually works on ebay).

I would just like to verify condition on this book. Too many sellers list NM in their auctions, and I get books that have cracks in the spine or small rips in the cover/spine. Can you please give me a fair description of the book, with primary focus on the condition of the spine

His reply back:

It sounds like this wouldn't be the book for you.
Take care.

At least he's an honest bad seller.

And yet, people STILL buy from him, REGARDLESS of his feedback, REGARDLESS of the fact that the odds are VERY good you're NOT going to get what you receive....

...and people STILL...LEAVE....POSITIVE...FEEDBACK!!!!

Now...do all of you believe me yet.....? Do you believe me that overgrading sellers STILL get tons of lemmings to leave them positive feedback because those buyers JUST DON'T CARE?

Or do you need MORE convincing?

Now.

PLEASE tell me why I'm not sitting here, consciously overgrading by a grade or more, and then protecting my feedback by offering unconditional returns.....IF I ever got a request for one??

PLEASE.

Someone convince me why it's wrong to take someone's money who DOESN'T CARE THAT "NM" ACTUALLY MEANS "NM."

I'm THIS close <puts thumb and forefinger almost together> to doing it.

THIS close.

Especially after today, when my idiot bank refused to file a chargeback because they didn't process the damn paperwork in time, and then, because I didn't get PROOF that I sent the paperwork TO MY OWN *SQUEE* BANK, I'm now out, and have to SUE someone in Portland, Oregon. Even though I RETURNED the merchandise. WITH Signature Confirmation.

Even though the books (Amazing Spiderman #301-310) were described as "MINT", and yet, half the books you all would be hard pressed to grade Fine+, and #305 is COLOR TOUCHED at the spine.....and not even with a MATCHING purple!

Please.

Someone please explain to me why I shouldn't.

Please.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

And no, I wasn't drunk.

[X-O HoboJoe]

And no, I wasn't drunk.

Yeah, right.

[Chiclo]

and not even with a MATCHING purple!

That phrase just jumps out at me.

I will try to use "and not even with a matching purple" today, even if it's not used properly in a sentence.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

And no, I wasn't drunk.

Yeah, right.

Please, I was watching horror films....you can't drink and horror film. Everyone knows that!

Check your PMs.

[X-O HoboJoe]

And no, I wasn't drunk.

Yeah, right.

Please, I was watching horror films....you can't drink and horror film. Everyone knows that!

Check your PMs.

All I see is a bunch of drunken ramblings about Scary Movie IV?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

http://cgi.ebay.com/HUGE-LOT-OF-OLD-SON ... dZViewItem

I thought the description was cute....

[Squirrel]

http://cgi.ebay.com/HUGE-LOT-OF-OLD-SON ... dZViewItem

I thought the description was cute....

its wrote like a 10 yr old, but in reality, its a 60 yr old man

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

New seller for the Auction Hall of Shame:

rosjim.

Now, I understand that he currently has 100% feedback.

Bully for him and all that.

Unfortunately, I won a New Mutants #87-100 lot from him described as "VF/NM".

His description:

"This entire excellent and collectable lot is in VF/NM condition !!!

A comment about grading: I will grade these comics the best and most honestly I can using the newest Overstreet Grading Guide, but oversights and mistakes do happen. Please ask any questions BEFORE you bid on an issue."

Ok, sounds like a decent seller, wants to do right, and even if he messed up, he'd be willing to fix it...right?

Plus, hey, the 100% positive feedback thing.

So, I get the books...

NM #87 had an 1.5" long and deep scratch in the cover, plus some other scratches, like...I dunno, like someone took the tip of a screwdriver and drove it across the cover a bit. It's doesn't cut the paper, but it comes real close.

Certainly not a VF/NM.

#88 had a large brown "splotch" on the cover, about the size of an eraser head, plus other wear.

#89 had mucho small wear all over the book, rendering it a decent Fine, Fine+.

The rest of the issues weren't as bad as this, but they all had some type of damage, except #95 (if I recall correctly) and #100. There was no #98.

So, I wrote this guy, and said this (exact words, now):

Hi! I received my books, thank you! However....you'd graded them VF/NM, but many of these issues have a lot of wear. #87 has some deep scratches, #88 has some brown stains on the cover (a little smaller than a dime) and the rest of the issues have various creases, folds, bends, etc.

What happened? Did I get sent the wrong books? Thanks in advance for your kind reply!

Seller's response:

Sorry about that - they were in a collection I recently bought, and I explained them how they were related to me. I did look them over quickly though, and they appeared to be better than the norm.

~Jim

(Notice anything missing here? Ah yes...an offer to FIX it.)

My response:

So, would a partial refund of $7 work for you?

His response:

No, I'm sorry, but it would not. I said in the description that condition is strongly an opinion, (no, he did not) and that you should ask any questions BEFORE you bid.

Let's be sensible here, even if they were not up to the standards you hoped for, you still got them for about $1.70 apiece = WAY, WAY below guide.

I can not give a refund...

Merry Christmas,
Jim

My response (this is where I usually get angry):

Ok, then, I'll have to file a complaint and chargeback. I TRULY do NOT have time for people who think it's ok to lie about grades, and then try to rationalize it after the fact.

You don't seem to get it: it's not about being "up to the standards I hoped for"...it's about being up to the standards YOU ASSIGNED THEM!!!!

Let's understand something here: you graded the books "VF/NM". If you did not know how to grade, or were unsure of the grade, you SHOULD NOT have assigned a grade. It is precisely BECAUSE you assigned a grade that I bid as high as I did.

I CANNOT ask "so, does issue #88 have any stains on it?" BEFORE bidding, because I had no way of KNOWING (or ASSUMING) that you A. don't know how to grade, or B. were flat out lying about the grades.

Because, you know, it's one of the two.

Asking questions BEFORE bidding DOES NOT...

Let me say that again, so that we're perfectly clear....

DOES......NOT....

...release you from providing books that are IN THE GRADES that YOU assigned!

Again....if you were unsure, you should have NOT ASSIGNED A GRADE.

By the way....you should also know that "guide" means nothing, especially on eBay. That's why it's called a GUIDE. On eBay, very, very little sells for more than even 30% of guide.

Your "$1.70 apiece" line also means nothing...because, for books in these grades, other than the #87 {for which I would have paid NO MORE THAN $3), I would not have paid more than 25 cents.....if anything...for these books in these conditions. Likely, I would have put these right back down, because I AM NOT INTERESTED IN LESS THAN VF/NM BOOKS.

Once again: I BID SPECIFICALLY....SPECIFICALLY.. ..BECAUSE you graded them VF/NM.

Let's understand something: a VF/NM book DOES NOT have brown STAINS on it, as #88 does.

So.....do we take this a step further?

I so do not wish to, but, of course, I will. I will NOT be taken advantage of by sellers on eBay who think it's perfectly acceptable to sell things that are overgraded and get away with it.

Sorry to be such a hardass, but do keep in mind, your total and utter contempt for me and the fact that I'm your CUSTOMER, not to mention the fact that you sent me items that are not as described, has forced my hand.

What say you? Let's be sensible, here, and not try and rip off a customer, eh?

His response:

That's cool, I did not want to say it before, but I think you are lying. The books that left my hands were in VF/NM condition. I'll fight you in the resolution process, and we can let eBay decide who is right.

I'm sorry it had to come to this as well, but I don't think you are being truthful and will not give a refund unless I am forced to. If you want to pursue this further, that's the route we can take...

I honestly don't think it's worth the trouble, but I will not be bullied into giving back money that's NOT deserved!

~Jim

So, not only does he try to rip me off by selling me overgraded books (for which I paid the fair market price FOR THOSE GRADES...not OVERGRADED books)....he then calls me a liar and now wants to fight.

Great.

So, I file a complaint with Paypal...they take their sweetass time....and they finally side with me. Whoopee.

I send the books back, and remind the seller of his "I'll fight you on this" nonsense, tell him I won, and to eff off.

So, the seller gets the books back, and says this:

Hi,

Got the package today, thanks. As I'm sure you realize, I'm not that smart; I wonder if you could explain something to me...

1) I get the comics back
2) You have to pay shipping to get them back to me
3) I get a negative feedback (my first) from you that puts my feedback percentage at 99.9%
4) You get a negative feedback (your sixth) from me that puts yours at 97.2%

Hmmm, please explain to me how you "won"..?

have a great one,
Jim

Isn't that just lovely? Just effing lovely?

What a grand *SQUEE*.

I responded by saying that I won morally, that I can look at myself in the mirror and say "hey....I didn't f@ck somebody over today", and that he could not.

I also said that he had to eat the original shipping, which, of course, he does.

And, of course, that karma's a *SQUEE*, and what comes around, goes around.

Awesome!

[X-O HoboJoe]

Email him back:

I woke up this morning and you're still a *SQUEE*.

[tssgery]

What is this guy thinking?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CGC-9-8-THE-INCREDI ... dZViewItem

$2999.99 for a CGC 9.8 Hulk 340?

[iccarus]

ZWH: I wish I had the balls to deal with bad sellers like that.

[x-omatic]

ZWH: I wish I had the balls to deal with bad sellers like that.

Just copy most of what ZWH said and fill in your own details.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

What is this guy thinking?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CGC-9-8-THE-INCREDI ... dZViewItem

$2999.99 for a CGC 9.8 Hulk 340?

He's thinking he's got a hefty crack habit to support....

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

ZWH: I wish I had the balls to deal with bad sellers like that.

That's the thing...THIS seller wasn't a bad seller....and I'm fairly certain he's not a bad seller even now...he just made some bad decisions, and he decided to be nasty and vicious about this, when he could have just said "oops...sorry, guess I didn't look at them close enough. How can we resolve this fairly?"

Also a reason to ditch accounts....when you start LEAVING negatives to people who RICHLY deserve it, you TAINT YOUR OWN ACCOUNT by getting retaliatory negatives....negatives you can do nothing about.

In reality...if everyone left honest feedback, without fear of retaliation....most folks would have feedback scores in about the 80's and low to mid 90's....

But they aren't, because I daresay that most people are afraid of retaliation. So, people who have no business having 99.4% feedback do.

And, human nature being what it is, people see negatives, especially from more than one source, and they assume the worst.

There's no court for feedback. I could prove over and over and over and over, all day long, beyond a shadow of ANYONE'S doubt that the seller screwed up.....but I can't fight against 80 characters allowed for feedback, and eBay doesn't care.

eBay forces a "level playing field" where one doesn't....and shouldn't....exist. Not all people are good...not all people are bad....but eBay wants to FORCE everyone to be equal, when they clearly are not.

And there's nothing anyone can do.

Except ditch accounts, and start over.

Am I outspoken? Hell yes. Do I take getting screwed over on eBay well? Nope. Does that mean I should be maligned because I dare to leave negative feedback, and get it in return?

Nope.