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slym2none wrote:ZWH just wants the Lazarus Award for this week.....

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:ZWH just wants the Lazarus Award for this week.....

:lol: :P :thumb:



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I didn't bring it up....Ersk did....;)
But you brought back the thread...

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slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?

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cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
Higher than that, but I don't think they were more than $20-$25.....

:|



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slym2none wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
Higher than that, but I don't think they were more than $20-$25.....

:|



-slym
You might be right but I thought $20 was more where the Cap #100 was being sold at. Anybody have easy access to their comics? Verify this!

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Zero wrote: How many of you have been outbid by Stanchek71 on E-bay in the last couple years?
And how many of you have been outbid by....well....Timdrake72, Marykateweavson, you_lost_deal!, Im_gonna_snipe_you_sucka, timberweave, Jackosnose56...

er....there's more.....;)
I bought my books long ago when I was bidding against Hillman, Sonic, & Greg for Unity 0 reds & Harbinger 0 pinks under $10 each.
Don't forget me! :)
I would if I knew which 'you' I was bidding against. Trying to figure out your E-bay IDs is like trying to hack the matrix. :wink:

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slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
The earliest ads from Mile High (keep in mind, they weren't for NM or even close copies) for Hulk #181 were $10. These are from 1980.

X-Men #94 was $50, of course, as was GS #1.

Keep in mind....X-Men went crazy in 1978, and there were no printed prices for back issues at that time in comics. In the 1978 O-Street, X-Men #94 is 50 cents or so....

....in the 1979 O-Street, it's $60, and never, EVER looked back.

Can you imagine the insanity?

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slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:ZWH just wants the Lazarus Award for this week.....

:lol: :P :thumb:



-slym
I didn't bring it up....Ersk did....;)
But you brought back the thread...

:thumb:



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cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
See above.

The only times one could "invest" in X-Men, since the new team launched, and make any decent and FAST returns has been from 1975-1978, and 1987-1989.

Between and after...forget it.

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slym2none wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
Higher than that, but I don't think they were more than $20-$25.....

:|



-slym
See above. ;) (SHAMELESS post count bumping)

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cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
Higher than that, but I don't think they were more than $20-$25.....

:|



-slym
You might be right but I thought $20 was more where the Cap #100 was being sold at. Anybody have easy access to their comics? Verify this!
Cap #100 fluctuated between $9 and $15 until 1989.

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
Stop! Stop! :cry:

Spiderman #129 $2.5!....to be fair I really don't think the GS X-men #1s were that much...Uncanny #94 I dunno $5? $8?
Higher than that, but I don't think they were more than $20-$25.....

:|



-slym
You might be right but I thought $20 was more where the Cap #100 was being sold at. Anybody have easy access to their comics? Verify this!
Cap #100 fluctuated between $9 and $15 until 1989.
:thumb:

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
The earliest ads from Mile High (keep in mind, they weren't for NM or even close copies) for Hulk #181 were $10. These are from 1980.

X-Men #94 was $50, of course, as was GS #1.

Keep in mind....X-Men went crazy in 1978, and there were no printed prices for back issues at that time in comics. In the 1978 O-Street, X-Men #94 is 50 cents or so....

....in the 1979 O-Street, it's $60, and never, EVER looked back.

Can you imagine the insanity?
:bugeyed:

Is there anyone on this board thats old enough to pick up a 181 Hulk for $10? :hm:

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cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
The earliest ads from Mile High (keep in mind, they weren't for NM or even close copies) for Hulk #181 were $10. These are from 1980.

X-Men #94 was $50, of course, as was GS #1.

Keep in mind....X-Men went crazy in 1978, and there were no printed prices for back issues at that time in comics. In the 1978 O-Street, X-Men #94 is 50 cents or so....

....in the 1979 O-Street, it's $60, and never, EVER looked back.

Can you imagine the insanity?
:bugeyed:

Is there anyone on this board thats old enough to pick up a 181 Hulk for $10? :hm:
There are a few folks here who bought 181 new for 25 cents.

I suppose I could have, but, after all, I was only 2 at the time. ;)

The funny thing about Hulk #181 is that it hovered between $20-$40 for almost a decade, before launching into the stratosphere on the heels of Amazing #129 in 1988-89 (HAAHAHAHA!!!)

Also funny:

Back in the 80's, Tales of Suspense #58 and #59 were NOT key issues. They were $7 each. By contrast, TOS #57 was a $30 book.

Fast forward to the 90's, and they are worth MORE than TOS #57.

Cap #100, Submariner #1, Hulk #102, all were $7-$20 for most of the 80's......the breakouts from the '68 #1s were Iron Man #1, and Silver Surfer #1.

Now, of course, both are worth $500+ in higher grades...

But so's Cap #100. Subby #1, Hulk #102, and even Captain Marvel #1 aren't THAT far behind.

You could have bought 4 "NM" Cap #100s in 1985 for $10 each.....or ONE Iron Man #1 for the same price...

And in 2006, sold 2 of the Cap #100s (CGC'd of course) bought an Iron Man #1 in the same condition, and still had money left over...plus 2 cap #100s.....

And people wonder why I hoard....:)

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OK seriously. And this may be more of a "Lyria" type question but I can't be bothered to type on 2 boards....we will never see this kind of jump in prices again will we? :hm:

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cobra_commander wrote:OK seriously. And this may be more of a "Lyria" type question but I can't be bothered to type on 2 boards....we will never see this kind of jump in prices again will we? :hm:
These across the boards huge gains? No, probably not.

I was thinking about this last night, in fact....the best time to buy Silver Age books was the early to mid 80's, if you missed out on them new in the 60's. Spidey #1 was hovering around $500-$600 in actual, unrestored, NM condition, and even took a bit of a downturn in 85-86. You could easily have bought a NM copy in 1985 for $300.

And you had books that were essentially $10 that are now several hundred dollars...

And you can go down the list of books, starting with FF #1 all the way to DD #1. Every single Marvel superhero book in those 2.5 years has gone up by a MINIMUM of 10x since 1985.

The only POSSIBLE exception for "Modern" books to do that would be everything Pre-CGC in uberhigh grade (Example, Amazing Spiderman #265...$1 book....in CGC 9.9, $1,000 book.)

The real problem is, collecting in earnest began in the 60's....and really took off in the 80's....

So there is no shortage of these books....any of them....like the early 60's books.

The only thing that might help is a large scale war (I'm not kidding), or a huge recession which destroys the economy, and makes comics worthless...and people throw them out.

Otherwise....no, probably not.

But that doesn't mean you can't beat the historic 11% annual return of the stock market if you buy right and store correctly! :)

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:The real problem is, collecting in earnest began in the 60's....and really took off in the 80's....

So there is no shortage of these books....any of them....like the early 60's books.
Spot on in my opinion...liquidity is a huge problem :thumb:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:But that doesn't mean you can't beat the historic 11% annual return of the stock market if you buy right and store correctly! :)
I don't see being able to make money comics from a buy hold strategy. Low print run books which become popular will see most of their pick-up in the early stages...then either hold or lose their value.

Look at VALIANT. You could kick the *SQUEE* of the the S&P on those returns...:thumb:

But I don't see them continuing to go up in value.

The Key GA and SA and ASM 300 should be able to keep up with inflation but 11% I'm not sure :hm:

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cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:The real problem is, collecting in earnest began in the 60's....and really took off in the 80's....

So there is no shortage of these books....any of them....like the early 60's books.
Spot on in my opinion...liquidity is a huge problem :thumb:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:But that doesn't mean you can't beat the historic 11% annual return of the stock market if you buy right and store correctly! :)
I don't see being able to make money comics from a buy hold strategy. Low print run books which become popular will see most of their pick-up in the early stages...then either hold or lose their value.

Look at VALIANT. You could kick the *SQUEE* of the the S&P on those returns...:thumb:

But I don't see them continuing to go up in value.

The Key GA and SA and ASM 300 should be able to keep up with inflation but 11% I'm not sure :hm:
No, which is why you need to understand your market.

Now is absolutely NOT the time to invest in "high grade" Golden or Silver Age keys....FIRST, CGC's GOT to get its act together regarding restoration, and second....you're not going to see books go from $2 to $5000, like you did with Gold books from 1960-1990. Ain't gonna happen.

BUT...you have to know your market. You have to cater your purchasing to what will eventually have its day in the sun....

Example: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have most CERTAINLY not seen their day yet.....probably, especially if more other media (games, movies) are created and released, then it will be a GREAT time to sell around the 30 year mark.

Example: Cerebus, on the other hand, has seen it come and gone. Even though Cerebus #1 still has a loyal and strong fan following, you will never again see it have huge gains....unless (and this is almost outside of the realm of possibility) Sim AND Gerhard die, and the property gets sold to someone who does something with it.

I have, essentially, quit buying Cerebus (unless it's just stupidly low priced) except for a few keys (and only if THEY are cheap, too.) In fact, part of my project is to GET RID of multiples of books that I think have zero potential...namely, anything after #63, with the exception of #147, 161, and 186.

If I were to advise someone to buy Cerebus, it would be #1-22. #31, #51, and 53-57, and that's about it, and only if it's cheap.

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ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:No, which is why you need to understand your market.

Now is absolutely NOT the time to invest in "high grade" Golden or Silver Age keys....FIRST, CGC's GOT to get its act together regarding restoration, and second....you're not going to see books go from $2 to $5000, like you did with Gold books from 1960-1990. Ain't gonna happen.
They should do 11% a year no problem though...whats the price of Hulk 181 CGC 8.5 now? $750? That got no problem hitting $830 next year etc.

Inflation is already 3-4% so that'll get you 1/3rd of the way there. :hm:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have most CERTAINLY not seen their day yet.....probably, especially if more other media (games, movies) are created and released, then it will be a GREAT time to sell around the 30 year mark.
Really? Its seen such a sharp increase already. I mean they've gone up astronomically. A successful licence will have an impact but I would classify it as a good investment (esp. due to low print runs) rather than a great one.

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cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:The real problem is, collecting in earnest began in the 60's....and really took off in the 80's....

So there is no shortage of these books....any of them....like the early 60's books.
Spot on in my opinion...liquidity is a huge problem :thumb:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:But that doesn't mean you can't beat the historic 11% annual return of the stock market if you buy right and store correctly! :)
I don't see being able to make money comics from a buy hold strategy. Low print run books which become popular will see most of their pick-up in the early stages...then either hold or lose their value.

Look at VALIANT. You could kick the *SQUEE* of the the S&P on those returns...:thumb:

But I don't see them continuing to go up in value.

The Key GA and SA and ASM 300 should be able to keep up with inflation but 11% I'm not sure :hm:
Ok....I don't have all the numbers at my fingertips at the moment, BUT....

Both Gold AND Silver, in every grade but Fine (because of the readjustment disaster of 1998), has beaten the historic DJIA since 1970 by whopping amounts.

That's by Overstreet numbers, by the way.

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cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:No, which is why you need to understand your market.

Now is absolutely NOT the time to invest in "high grade" Golden or Silver Age keys....FIRST, CGC's GOT to get its act together regarding restoration, and second....you're not going to see books go from $2 to $5000, like you did with Gold books from 1960-1990. Ain't gonna happen.
They should do 11% a year no problem though...whats the price of Hulk 181 CGC 8.5 now? $750? That got no problem hitting $830 next year etc.

Inflation is already 3-4% so that'll get you 1/3rd of the way there. :hm:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have most CERTAINLY not seen their day yet.....probably, especially if more other media (games, movies) are created and released, then it will be a GREAT time to sell around the 30 year mark.
Really? Its seen such a sharp increase already. I mean they've gone up astronomically. A successful licence will have an impact but I would classify it as a good investment (esp. due to low print runs) rather than a great one.
This is where I was talking about understanding your market. In 1975, FF #1 was a $50 book. $50!

In 1975, FF #1 was more valuable than all but the most key Golden Age books....and we're talking about just 50 or so books (Action #1, Tec 27, Marvel #1, All American #16, etc.)

It was even more valuable than Showcase #4 and AF #15 (but not by much.)

In 1975, most folks probably thought that FF #1, the darling of the Silver Age, the juggernaut that led the back issue market for nearly a decade, had peaked. I mean, seriously, $50? For a COMIC??

Boy, were THEY wrong.

Now, FF #1 is STILL more expensive than all but the top 34 Golden Age books, and still 3rd on the list of Silver. That's quite an accomplishment!

But FF #1 was a watershed event in the history of comics and, in the last 30 years, has proved it.

That's why the impact of Turtles #1 needs to be understood....Turtles #1 was also a watershed event in the history of comics. Sim really did it first, but Turtles #1 proved that Independent comics, comics that weren't published out of a publishing house in Manhattan for the last 50 years, could work.

Beyond that, Turtles #1 spawned a media and entertainment empire. The turtles films have grossed over half a billion (I'm certain it's over a billion, but I'm too lazy to wait for this damn dialup to check) dollars worldwide. It is one of the top franchises in Hollywood history.

Plus, 20 years of cartoons, nearly continual publication, PLUS...the print run wasn't astronomical...it was 3,000. I GUARANTEE you, other than maybe Eastman & Laird, that NO ONE has a "case" of these sitting unopened in a closet. No one. 3,000 was a tiny fraction of the original print run of FF #1, and even give attrition, it's still not comparable to the amount of FF #1s still in existence (estimated at 8,000-10,000)...and kids who remember Turtles are now ALMOST in their 30's....

Not quite the millionaires yet, but give it time.

The prices NOW for Turtles #1 look high...

They're not.

Not yet.

Barring some obvious disasters, Turtles (the original series) has not yet hit its stride.

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cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
The earliest ads from Mile High (keep in mind, they weren't for NM or even close copies) for Hulk #181 were $10. These are from 1980.

X-Men #94 was $50, of course, as was GS #1.

Keep in mind....X-Men went crazy in 1978, and there were no printed prices for back issues at that time in comics. In the 1978 O-Street, X-Men #94 is 50 cents or so....

....in the 1979 O-Street, it's $60, and never, EVER looked back.

Can you imagine the insanity?
:bugeyed:

Is there anyone on this board thats old enough to pick up a 181 Hulk for $10? :hm:
:D

for $25.00 but it was around 1980-81

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I picked one up for $15.00 in 1990-1... but that was in poor-fair condition (cover was separated with chunks out of it but the story was complete and it still had the Marvel value stamp in it)...

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SnotDrip wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
slym2none wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:Yeah its a pretty good post. Some excellent points. Don't know where you dug this thread out of but its an interesting topic.

But can you stop bringing up comic prices before the eighties! Its bad enough reading ads in old comics with the prices of keys like Cap 100! :lol:

I don't see any difference between the comic market, the stock market, or the friggin vegetable market. Its market forces. Thats capatalism. No use crying about it if you can't get something you want.

And wtf happened with comickings and magnus?! 2 of the greatest VALIANT art collections...
I've been reading Thor #337-382 (The Simonson run), and almost every issue has an ad by Mile High or 1,000,000 comics, and every single time I check the price of Spiderman #129....

Still $2.50.

Sigh.

J&S had some ads back then, too.

Batman #151-200, $2.50, all VG.

For VF copies, double the price.

Sigh.
What were the prices for Incredible Hulk 181, and GS X-Men #1 and Uncanny #94???

:twisted: :| :cry:



-slym (remembers all those great ads)
The earliest ads from Mile High (keep in mind, they weren't for NM or even close copies) for Hulk #181 were $10. These are from 1980.

X-Men #94 was $50, of course, as was GS #1.

Keep in mind....X-Men went crazy in 1978, and there were no printed prices for back issues at that time in comics. In the 1978 O-Street, X-Men #94 is 50 cents or so....

....in the 1979 O-Street, it's $60, and never, EVER looked back.

Can you imagine the insanity?
:bugeyed:

Is there anyone on this board thats old enough to pick up a 181 Hulk for $10? :hm:
:D

for $25.00 but it was around 1980-81
You must be laughin your *SQUEE* off! picking up that book for $25 :lol: :thumb: :mad:


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