Shooter's new comic universe...

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:43 pm

See ?

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:21 am

Elveen wrote:
Heath wrote:

..... I'm off my game...... deep in Christmas break..... I think it's all the cookies and Sees' candy..... the sugar is eating my brain........

HOW COULD I HAVE POSTED THE CHURCH LADY

even when I was posting it..... I paused..... something was not right...... but I knew SNL...... but.....

Oh how the mighty picture poster has fallen...

(just kidding)

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:01 am

Brian Thomer wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.
The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?
I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.

Untill now.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:01 am

Knightt wrote:Honestly, I dont even know WHY we discuss this whole 'new owners' thing. It is just a revolving circle filled with mostly opinions and back and forth information (or lack of).

Lets just wait for something to happen... or to never happen THEN rip it to shreds (or enjoy it).

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:39 am

Rufusharley wrote:
Elveen wrote:
Heath wrote:

..... I'm off my game...... deep in Christmas break..... I think it's all the cookies and Sees' candy..... the sugar is eating my brain........

HOW COULD I HAVE POSTED THE CHURCH LADY

even when I was posting it..... I paused..... something was not right...... but I knew SNL...... but.....

Oh how the mighty picture poster has fallen...

(just kidding)

oh the shame........ the humanity......

but I shall rise....... I will always come back......

and post meaningless pictures!

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:03 am

Elveen Richman wrote:oh the shame........ the humanity......

What you mean is that you're all verklempt and have shpilkes in your geneckteckessoink?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:19 am

jedimarley wrote:
Knightt wrote:Honestly, I dont even know WHY we discuss this whole 'new owners' thing. It is just a revolving circle filled with mostly opinions and back and forth information (or lack of).

Lets just wait for something to happen... or to never happen THEN rip it to shreds (or enjoy it).

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

Boy, you just keep getting better and better every day.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:59 pm

Knightt wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Knightt wrote:Honestly, I dont even know WHY we discuss this whole 'new owners' thing. It is just a revolving circle filled with mostly opinions and back and forth information (or lack of).

Lets just wait for something to happen... or to never happen THEN rip it to shreds (or enjoy it).

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

Boy, you just keep getting better and better every day.

Please. Take no offense. But I think we should discuss it. My hope is to *SQUEE*-off VIP or VEI enough that they'll have to post something just to deffend them selfs.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:05 pm

Knightt wrote:
Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ?

I thought you said VIP was Dynamic Forces.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:07 pm

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:17 pm

jedimarley wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.
The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?
I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.
Untill now.

Like I said it makes you wonder how many other projects like this there are (unfortunately absolute public silence tends to go more with "failure to launch" than "we got no plans"). I'd think an article like this got published because either

A) Someone at Newsarama remembered they had this cool dead article and wanted to see if they could publish it now.
B) The parties involved in Icon One now definately know nothing is going to happen with it so they gave the go ahead to release the article.
C) Some combination of A) and B)

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:09 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
Knightt wrote:
Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ?
I thought you said VIP was Dynamic Forces.

Yes, I have always maintained that stance.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:11 pm

jedimarley wrote:
Knightt wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Knightt wrote:Honestly, I dont even know WHY we discuss this whole 'new owners' thing. It is just a revolving circle filled with mostly opinions and back and forth information (or lack of).

Lets just wait for something to happen... or to never happen THEN rip it to shreds (or enjoy it).

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

Boy, you just keep getting better and better every day.
Please. Take no offense. But I think we should discuss it. My hope is to *SQUEE*-off VIP or VEI enough that they'll have to post something just to deffend them selfs.

Ok, now I can understand that. I just get frustrated as I am sure that many others do on the board.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:57 pm

Knightt wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
Knightt wrote:
Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ?
I thought you said VIP was Dynamic Forces.
Yes, I have always maintained that stance.

So VIP is VIP, except you know they're Dynamic Forces, so let's not speculate about the things that you know...

I think I missed your point

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:16 pm

Well as long as you put it that way, I miss my point as well.

If someone asks me, "Chris, who do you think VIP is ?" I will respond with "VIP is Dynamic Forces."

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:18 pm

VIP is Bob Layton is Dynamic Forces.

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:16 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
Brian Thomer wrote:This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.
The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?
I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.
Untill now.
Like I said it makes you wonder how many other projects like this there are (unfortunately absolute public silence tends to go more with "failure to launch" than "we got no plans"). I'd think an article like this got published because either

A) Someone at Newsarama remembered they had this cool dead article and wanted to see if they could publish it now.
B) The parties involved in Icon One now definately know nothing is going to happen with it so they gave the go ahead to release the article.
C) Some combination of A) and B)

I'd go with A, since that's pretty much what Ryan said he did in the LiTG: Shooter thread.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:41 am

jedimarley wrote:VIP is Bob Layton is Dynamic Forces.

Really?!?

Or are you joking. No seriously, please clarify!

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:39 am

leonmallett wrote:
jedimarley wrote:VIP is Bob Layton is Dynamic Forces.
Really?!?

Or are you joking. No seriously, please clarify!

Only Jedimarley can tell you if he's joking or not but he's refering to this...

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... itz#253061

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:14 pm

Thanks for posting that Leaf and Ryan Mclelland.

Yet another 'Shooter-verse' down the tubes. I would love to go to house and just read all his notebooks full of the stuff that never made it to print.

As for the concepts and names, they don't jump out as being something I would care about on concept/name alone.

But I remember when the names of the Defiant comics were first revealed, and thinking how stupid they sounded to me at the time. "Prudence & Caution", "Charlemagne", "Glory", and the Broadway names/concepts didn't sound that good to me either "Fatale" (cashing in on the bad girl phase), "Knights on Broadway" (having the name of the company in the name of a team just seemed lame)... Until I read the stories. Then the names made sense and I actually liked them more. What I'm saying is Shooter stuff is always about the excecution.

Would have loved to see this, but since they weren't really his concepts or his writing, I would prefer to see Daring or him working on something else.

Hope the Legion thing floats, looking forward to it.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:19 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
jedimarley wrote:VIP is Bob Layton is Dynamic Forces.
Really?!?

Or are you joking. No seriously, please clarify!
Only Jedimarley can tell you if he's joking or not but he's refering to this...

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... itz#253061

Just throwing *SQUEE* against the wall and seeing what sticks.

RyanMcLelland · Post by **RyanMcLelland** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:56 pm

Glad I finally got to tell this story...it was on my computer for way too long and I hated dropping hints years back only to never have this come to light. It would have been fun...but at least now everyone gets to read what 'could have been'.