Shocker Announces Indy Toy Line (Includes Solar & Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:22 am

Shocker Toys wrote:I agree with the horse before the cart. If dino and owners do not feel comfortable then it is up to them. We have had a few comic owners say no as they don't want to be in the mix anymore and have moved on, which is a shame as their properties go to waste. But with VALIANT I think the case is them getting everything straightened out first. We already have some of the old VALIANT properties and we are happy with that. And hopefully later on maybe the owners will come around and be ready to get some toys out there. Has anyone done some VALIANT customs?

A guy who no longer posts here (far as I know) that went by the nick b3tudios (or something like that) did a bunch of VALIANT and Acclaim customs and he posted the pics here (I don't remember if he did in the current version of the board or one that crashed, though. He hasn't posted in years).

Shocker Toys · Post by **Shocker Toys** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:42 am

Oh...
Would have liked to see them.
Well we will keep you all in the loop when Solar and Magnus are fleshed out.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:57 am

jedimarley wrote:But this toy company approached dino. If they felt it wasn't worth producing them, then why even bother asking.

Shocker Toys thinks there is a market without comics. And they will do all the work. All dino has to do is say yes. Nothing more.

Plus it's a nice way to test the market to see if there is any interest in these characters.

Yes, but who would buy them? The new owners have enough risk on their shoulders without haing to worry about this. They want to be in a position where toy companies will COMPETE and PAY to get the rights to make products, not where they are giving away licenses to any suitor who will bankroll something.

Shocker Toys · Post by **Shocker Toys** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:08 am

Honestly creators and owners should not be about big bucks especially when they are fans. I do not agree with the let toy companies battle it out and who ever comes up with the most cash. Our Indie Spotlight line is not about that and it is why we have dumped a few properties already. Our action figure line is for fans by fans. We are a fan driven company not out to dilute the market with 30 versions of Solar or Dick Tracy.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:09 am

I wouldn't mind a Doctor Solar-without-costume alternate, heh.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:10 am

ckb wrote:
jedimarley wrote:But this toy company approached dino. If they felt it wasn't worth producing them, then why even bother asking.

Shocker Toys thinks there is a market without comics. And they will do all the work. All dino has to do is say yes. Nothing more.

Plus it's a nice way to test the market to see if there is any interest in these characters.
Yes, but who would buy them? The new owners have enough risk on their shoulders without haing to worry about this. They want to be in a position where toy companies will COMPETE and PAY to get the rights to make products, not where they are giving away licenses to any suitor who will bankroll something.

I get all that. But it's been almost 18 months and nothing. It's time to sh!t or get of the pot. They have to do something soon...No matter what it is.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:12 am

A "Coming In 2007" group poster of the VALIANT heroes would do it.

Like a coming attractions movie poster.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:37 am

jedimarley wrote:
ckb wrote:
jedimarley wrote:But this toy company approached dino. If they felt it wasn't worth producing them, then why even bother asking.

Shocker Toys thinks there is a market without comics. And they will do all the work. All dino has to do is say yes. Nothing more.

Plus it's a nice way to test the market to see if there is any interest in these characters.
Yes, but who would buy them? The new owners have enough risk on their shoulders without haing to worry about this. They want to be in a position where toy companies will COMPETE and PAY to get the rights to make products, not where they are giving away licenses to any suitor who will bankroll something.
I get all that. But it's been almost 18 months and nothing. It's time to sh!t or get of the pot. They have to do something soon...No matter what it is.

This is just impatience talking. No one is more fustrated than I. But the most damaging thing to everyone would be a launch plagued by problems. Keep in mind that if the issues with these properties scared away a businessman like Taddeo, we are lucky to even have something on the horizon after 18 months.

If the guys who laid out the massive amounts of $$$ are not in a hurry, I can wait too. They have it all on the line.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:57 am

ckb wrote:If the guys who laid out the massive amounts of $$$ are not in a hurry

I own my own business...And if I spend big $$$$ fo a piece of equipment it better be on the job the next day making some of that $$$$ back.

I understand that there are trademark issues that need to be taken care of .
But my god man they need to be doing something to bring some of that $$$ back in.
Toys. Posters. Lithos.....Whatever. Get a positive cash flow going or they're doomed to fail.

(not a ebay store

)

Poor business planing. That's what it is.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:03 am

jedimarley wrote:
ckb wrote:If the guys who laid out the massive amounts of $$$ are not in a hurry
I own my own business...And if I spend big $$$$ fo a piece of equipment it better be on the job the next day making some of that $$$$ back.

I understand that there are trademark issues that need to be taken care of .
But my god man they need to be doing something to bring some of that $$$ back in.
Toys. Posters. Lithos.....Whatever. Get a positive cash flow going or they're doomed to fail.

(not a ebay store )

Poor business planing. That's what it is.

Yeah. That doesn't really make much sense to have an ebay store and nothing else. That wreaks of a lack of knowledge of what the hell they are doing.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:43 am

Maybe an Ebay Store is a 'cutting edge' way to shake up the market.

I have noticed though that after making a purchase from them that I have not recieve positive feedback from them even though I provided IMMEDIATE payment and very positive feedback on my end.

sniffle... I think I need a tissue but DAMMIT they should be providing pos feedback for a good transaction and especially towards a f@cking board member. Nice huh ?

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:06 pm

I'm not necessarily assuming the ebay store is a serious attempt to make money. if it was why would you sell THOSE issue at those prices? It wouldn't surprise me if it was just there so VEI can say they've "used" the trademarks for legal reasons. I've never seen an online store with every single trademarked name labeled that conspicuously

.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:21 pm

jedimarley wrote:
ckb wrote:If the guys who laid out the massive amounts of $$$ are not in a hurry
I own my own business...And if I spend big $$$$ fo a piece of equipment it better be on the job the next day making some of that $$$$ back.

I understand that there are trademark issues that need to be taken care of .
But my god man they need to be doing something to bring some of that $$$ back in.
Toys. Posters. Lithos.....Whatever. Get a positive cash flow going or they're doomed to fail.

(not a ebay store )

Poor business planing. That's what it is.

This is all why Taddeo sat it out. Maybe he made the right choice! We'll find out eventually.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:50 pm

ckb wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
ckb wrote:If the guys who laid out the massive amounts of $$$ are not in a hurry
I own my own business...And if I spend big $$$$ fo a piece of equipment it better be on the job the next day making some of that $$$$ back.

I understand that there are trademark issues that need to be taken care of .
But my god man they need to be doing something to bring some of that $$$ back in.
Toys. Posters. Lithos.....Whatever. Get a positive cash flow going or they're doomed to fail.

(not a ebay store )

Poor business planing. That's what it is.
This is all why Taddeo sat it out. Maybe he made the right choice! We'll find out eventually.

I think we already have.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:38 pm

How so ? I have not 100% been following this.

(seriously Frank, not f@cking around here)

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:19 pm

From a businessman's point of view....

They over-payed for something that wasn't a 100%. 18 months in court to try to get it to 100%. Legal fees must be killing them.

18 months and no product. No product means no cash flow.

In the end they'll have to sell just to break even and I dought they'll be that lucky.

When you spend that kind of $$$$ you have to get something out immediately!

Why do you think Shooter did the WWF and Nintendo comics??

Cash flow.

They have no plan. No cash. And no business experiance.

Looks to me that they're dead in the water.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:16 pm

Ouch!

I still have faith and am looking forward to the future of VALIANT!
DAN

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:17 pm

Ahhh gotcha... I thought you meant something from an Action Figure point of view.

I have to say that I agree with you 110%. My thought 'back then' was get SOMETHING out within 4-6 months so you do not lose the momentum behind the 'recent purchase'. There in itself was a bit of self generated 'hype' which is completely lost now. With so much time in between, even "I" am on the 'so what... you bought the rights' box preaching 'the end of days'. Mom, Uncles or whomever fronted this cash have GOT to be getting a bit *SQUEE* at this point. Can you imagine the initial 'bad news' conversation ? "uh Mom ? There seems to be a bit of a problem with the new properties that we just spent GOBS of money on. But before I begin, I want to say that you look GREAT today, did you get your hair done ? ahem... ok, well you see wha happen was...."

Door closes

Sounds of things breaking and screams of pain and "Mommy no" pour out of the room.

Then....

Silence (or is the faint sound of.... 'dripping' to be heard ?)

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:24 pm

sonicdan wrote:Ouch!

I still have faith and am looking forward to the future of VALIANT!
DAN

Nobody is saying that you shouldnt... but I wouldnt walk around with blind faith either. jedi makes quite a few good points and while I am not super saavy in business, I have spoken to enough who ARE and things are not looking good right now nor have they been in a while.

Gotta admit, if you invest said 'GOBS' of money and still have nothing... NOTHING to show for it.... Well.

If "I" had been a big money investor, I would be a bit interested in seeing something in the form of a return right now OR spending extra cash and bombing the Dynamic Forces build... I mean the VIP building to rubble.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:31 pm

Knightt wrote:I thought you meant something from an Action Figure point of view.

Shocker Toys approached them about doing some figures. (product and cash flow)

They said no. (poor business sense)

I know some of the trademarks are in court right now and will make making comics hard to do but take what you own and do something.

Anything.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:32 pm

Hmmm with Christmas here... you know ALL of my kids would have a full line of Valiant figures (along with Daddy). You think that might have equalled what is that word ? .......... PROFIT !!!!

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:41 pm

sonicdan wrote:Ouch!

I still have faith and am looking forward to the future of VALIANT!
DAN

I have faith also.

Just not with this group of owners.

They're nice guys...but........

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:01 pm

jedimarley wrote:They have no plan. No cash. And no business experiance.

Looks to me that they're dead in the water.

So if you don't know about it, then it doesn't exist?

How do you know they have no plan? Has Dino told you something he hasn't told any of the rest of us? How do you know they have no cash? Are you their accountant? How do you know they have no business experience? Have you been spying on him his whole life?

Just because you're out of the loop and you don't know about the plans, that doesn't mean they don't have a plan.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:09 pm

This is just a guess, but since everything is still tied up in court I imagine Dino has been advised not to do anything until the mess is resolved.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:09 pm

I have not seen anything to date that would indicate that ANYTHING positive is going on.

Hey I will be in line when stuff comes out but I have to throw that big word IF in there.

I think that Valiant 'stuff' will come out but it will not be from the initial buyers.