Amazing Spider-man 509, 510, 511, 512 'Sins Past' (spoiler)

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:39 pm

SPOILER

Don't read any further if you haven't read ASM 509, 510.

If any body is reading the current story ASM line,

do you really think the twins are Gwen's (and maybe Peter's) kids? In Marvels compressed timeline only about 10-15 years has passed since Gwen's death. Gwen's twins appear to about twenty years old; things don't add up. Unless there from the future (that would be stupid).

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:30 pm

What's up with Spidey #509? Is it some sort of 'hot' issue?

And isn't it supposed to be #65 or so...?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:45 pm

What's up with Spidey #509? Is it some sort of 'hot' issue?

And isn't it supposed to be #65 or so...?

Spidey #509 is supposed to be sold out all over the country, it's not available as a new book at any of the local shops I've checked. I did manage to get a slightly dinged copy of it at one of the LCS (it was their last copy on the shelf).

There are some new characters introduced in #509, I'm assuming that most feel these characters are going to make a major impact on Spidey, so I guess a lot of speculators are jumping on this issue. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't read it.

Another recently released item that looks to be hot FOR NOW is the Bone: One Volume which reprints the entire Bone story in one huge TPB. It was severely underprinted, a lot of shops were only sent part of their orders. There's really no history of many trades holding their value, so this might be a short term thing until the next printing is released.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:58 pm

Hey Zeph, Marvel went back to the old numbering for AMS some of the other reboots (i.e. vol1#s + Vol2#s = current number). Basically, Marvel marketing was milking the number 1s to boost sales at the time; then they went back to old number systems to cash in on milestone issues like AMS 500 (FYI, just incase you weren't being sarcastic

)

Anyways the SPOILER IS

In issue 509 and 510 it was revealed that Gwen Stacy (Peter Parker's old dead girl friend from AMS 121), while she ran off to France for 9 months or so she may have had twins (back in AMS pre issue 100). It is possible that these faternal twins are Peter's kids. In fact issue 509, the twins kick the crap out of Peter; showing that they are fast and strong like Spidey.

Anyways age wise it just doesn't add up because in Marvel time only about 10-15 years has passed since Gwen Stacy's death. The twins appear to be about twenty years old (could be younger but not teenagers).

Anyways that's the 511.

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:08 am

Brother J wrote:
What's up with Spidey #509? Is it some sort of 'hot' issue?

And isn't it supposed to be #65 or so...?
Spidey #509 is supposed to be sold out all over the country, it's not available as a new book at any of the local shops I've checked. I did manage to get a slightly dinged copy of it at one of the LCS (it was their last copy on the shelf).

There are some new characters introduced in #509, I'm assuming that most feel these characters are going to make a major impact on Spidey, so I guess a lot of speculators are jumping on this issue. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't read it.

Another recently released item that looks to be hot FOR NOW is the Bone: One Volume which reprints the entire Bone story in one huge TPB. It was severely underprinted, a lot of shops were only sent part of their orders. There's really no history of many trades holding their value, so this might be a short term thing until the next printing is released.

Yeah I've been noticing alot of LCS having the first printing of #509 sold out. But I did manage to find a few stores that had some left down in Virginia. I bought like four copies...gave two of em to my g/f's lil sister. She seemed interested in starting a comic collection. Hmmm not sure if it's a good idea to get her into it tho =X

Btw: I also noticed Avengers #500 is being sold out in most LCS as well. I picked one up for the heck of it. Kinda crazy and intense issue tho...

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:55 pm

Btw: I also noticed Avengers #500 is being sold out in most LCS as well. I picked one up for the heck of it. Kinda crazy and intense issue tho...

Way too much stuff going on in that issue, it was kind of overwhelming and not really that enjoyable of a read to me. It just seemed like they wanted to cram as many disasters in one book as they could possibly fit. I probably won't be keeping up with this one. I enjoyed the Spider-Man arc much more, even though the premise for those books seem a little far fetched, as well.

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:53 pm

Escaflown4 wrote: Btw: I also noticed Avengers #500 is being sold out in most LCS as well. I picked one up for the heck of it. Kinda crazy and intense issue tho...

The Avengers storyline is looking good and I don't normally read Avengers but I did manage to get #497-#500 for cover minus discount. Currently you can't get these issues in my town.... unless you want to pay $10 a pop. The accompanying Thor#80 < are also hard to get. Check the asking prices on ebay. There are alot of 'hot' Marvel books right now that people are scrambling for within the last couple of monthes. I have not got the Spiderman issues and I don't care enough to, unless I can get them cheap.

Speaking of spiderman has any one seen the art in the new Venom vs. Carnage mini? Very nice!

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:49 am

Brother J wrote:
Btw: I also noticed Avengers #500 is being sold out in most LCS as well. I picked one up for the heck of it. Kinda crazy and intense issue tho...
Way too much stuff going on in that issue, it was kind of overwhelming and not really that enjoyable of a read to me. It just seemed like they wanted to cram as many disasters in one book as they could possibly fit. I probably won't be keeping up with this one. I enjoyed the Spider-Man arc much more, even though the premise for those books seem a little far fetched, as well.

Yeah it felt like the writer must have dranked gallons of triple expressos writing this story arc. I mean after the first few pages, there was simply non stop explosions, destruction, fighting and characters dieing. I was never a fan of the avengers so I don't really know much of what went on, but is Marvel planning to do away with the team?

Also got a few questions on the spiderman series. The last ASM issues I ever bought from the newstand was #361-363, the carnage story arc. After reading through #509-510, I was surprised to see Aunt May in there. I mean I know she did died in issue #400 right? Why is she still there?

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:56 pm

Aunt May is alive because Norman Osbourn put in a fake Aunt may to have her die to mess with Peter's life.

Aunt May was probably brought back because fans wanted her back. If you ask me, the old bat should have stayed dead.

Also Norman was brought back as well too; that's another long story. He wasn't really killed either back in ASM 121 (visit Spiderman.org for answers).

Death in Marvel doesn't mean much

maestro · Post by **maestro** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:39 am

Is that ASM 400 worth picking up or is it a crappy story?

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:31 am

Crap.

Just like Spec. Spider-Man these days with the ridiculous art by that Ramos guy. He makes everyone look like aliens or dorks ... hey, cutting edge, nice job!

The Amazing storyline looks pretty interesting, but they're messing with the continuity too much. Again.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:49 am

I reserve my opinion on Amazing until the story is complete. I think issue 30 to current have been, BY FAR, the best Spidey run since before Todd McFarlane. And the way they added a new twist to the origin of Spidey without freaking up his story was awesome.

I really enjoyed the Ezekiel storyline and how Peter's Life has been played out behind the scenes, and quit frankly everything else about the current run.

The biggest nay-Sayers are those who either haven't read the stories and are still biaotching about the Clone Saga or have only read a single issue of a story arc before forcing their *SQUEE* opinion all over the cgc forums like their point is worth more then all others combined. In ten years we'll look back to this run as some of the best Spidey to collect and those nay-Sayers will become prophets and talk like they were always preaching it to the masses on how they should of picked them up when they were coming out.

What makes me so right? Amazing Spidey is the reason I collect comics today. If it wasn't for his monthly book I'd of never started to collect in the first place. So 200 titles later and I think I can honestly say, Spidey once again rocks and I look forward to his monthly books.

You wanna fight about it? Come on then! Who wants some?

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:07 am

Sumo is awesome. Nothing like fat Japanese guys in diapers slapping the crap out of each other.

But, IMO, Amazing Spidey is only the third-best Spidey being done today. The Marvel Knights comic is off to an amazing start, and I think the Ultimate stuff is the best it's been done since John Romita Sr.

Although the Amazing stuff is pretty good, and the Ezekiel stuff was a good take, but ... I cringe when they rework the characters too much. Which is funny, since I'm such a big fan of the Ultimate Spidey, which has been reworked from the ground up.

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:15 pm

Well whetteon I will take your word for it. I used to read all the Spiderman titles up to when Marvel renumbered them all to number ones in 1996(?)
I have only bought some issues sporatically since then but I have basically dropped spiderman from my reading list. If I come across a run of issues I missed since then for sale for a killer deal then I'll probably bite but I just don't have the heart or interest to get back into Spidey these days.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:46 pm

What whetton said

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:47 pm

Chuck wrote:Hey Zeph, Marvel went back to the old numbering for AMS some of the other reboots (i.e. vol1#s + Vol2#s = current number). Basically, Marvel marketing was milking the number 1s to boost sales at the time; then they went back to old number systems to cash in on milestone issues like AMS 500 (FYI, just incase you weren't being sarcastic )

Yeah, I was being sarcastic....

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:02 pm

Chuck wrote:Aunt May is alive because Norman Osbourn put in a fake Aunt may to have her die to mess with Peter's life.

Aunt May was probably brought back because fans wanted her back. If you ask me, the old bat should have stayed dead.

Also Norman was brought back as well too; that's another long story. He wasn't really killed either back in ASM 121 (visit Spiderman.org for answers).

Death in Marvel doesn't mean much

Well...Bucky's still dead.

screamingdc · Post by **screamingdc** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:04 am

Ironically enough, Uncle Ben stays dead as well. of course, you bring him back and then you'll kill the Spider-Man series right then and there.

I'm betting that in the end, the twins do end up as Gwen's but not Peter's. but as stated, let's wait until the storyline wraps before we make judgements on it.

PS- I agree that Ultimate SM is the best Spider-Man book today.

although i don't like the way they just dusted off Gwen like that in the Carnage storyline.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:10 am

screamingdc wrote:PS- I agree that Ultimate SM is the best Spider-Man book today. although i don't like the way they just dusted off Gwen like that in the Carnage storyline.

yeah, that was weird. Although it was sooo abrupt that it makes me think it's not really her.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:20 pm

I think that Gwen cheated on Peter with Harry and the kids are Harry's, not Peter's.

The odds of Marvel giving Peter two full grown children are slim.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:13 pm

ASM 511 came out today. Looks like you're on the right track MOTA.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:28 pm

So the letter to Peter was really supposed to explain her affair. And that's why she moved to Europe! It was to have the kids without the scandal back home!

That dirty, dirty girl! If there was any doubt in Peter's mind that he should have picked Gwen over MJ, I hope that he now realizes MJ is #2 to no woman in the Marvel Universe.

Let's see how the fans react to this news. I don't see anything that terribly disrupts the timeline nor does it have to do with a character that is even alive anymore but those cgc board spidey lovers are fanatics. Hopefully they won't gang up on Starkasay (or however you spell it) and chase him out into the streets.

sd2416 · Post by **sd2416** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:41 pm

regardless if she had the kids with Peter or Osborne they still wouldnt be full grown yet. Also, if she had an affair with Osborne why would the boy look like Peter?

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:10 pm

Yeah, shouldn't they have the little curly Eddie Munster thing going?

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:07 pm

It's kinda too early to figure out what's going on.

But next issue we will find out who the real (maybe) father is.