Top 15 UNWANTED Valiant Comics

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:29 am

I guess if you are going on a "most worthless" list then yes bloodshot 1 should be on it, but I love that book. Cool cover and even cooler action hero....computerized blood that could heal him...man that guy was awesome...by far my favorite book

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:11 am

hooray for bloodshot!

soundoftheuniverse · Post by **soundoftheuniverse** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:51 am

dave wrote:mike...i like you, and i usually agree with you more than other people...but...did you take your medication today?
dr mirage was never awesome.
psi-lords was a joke
and those solar issues? "i've got a great idea, let's have phil number 4 split into solar number 3 and then we'll have a few more splits and then, maybe we could do deathmate II and then do it all in valiant vision, so we can make people sick, literally AND physically!!!!"
"that's a great idea bob. thank you steve."

Bump.

Rummaging through the posts, I enjoyed reading this one.

Great thread with alot of interesting thoughts throughtout and Dave, you're hilarious!

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:16 am

All those issues I have a crap load of copies of, or either turned me off of a lot on ebay, they'll describe the Lots like "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!" like #1's and chromium/foil issues are some big "oooh aaah"? Even in other companies, people realize that not all foil covers are worth $50, back in the early to mid-90's Marvel was slapping foil on anything that was #25, or #50, I don't see people trying to pass that off as something rare. How they should describe their crap lot is... "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!oh and one or two titles you actually need but the shipping is so high because of all the other crap that you'll end up paying $10 for a $2 comic"

ok, never seen 300 of one issue in a lot, but still people are crazy about either trying to sell 3-4 issues with 4-5 copies of each, with one book that I actually need, or acting like Bloodshot #1, Ninjak #1, and Turok #1 are finds of the decade. It's a conspiracy I tell ya, so i'll have to buy a ton of crap to get one comic I actually want.

If they had a normal print run, they wouldn't be bad, might be worth a little more, but that means finding them would actually mean more... like instead of being a $.25comic they might have been $.50 comics

Escaflown4 · Post by **Escaflown4** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:34 am

Xero wrote:All those issues I have a crap load of copies of, or either turned me off of a lot on ebay, they'll describe the Lots like "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!" like #1's and chromium/foil issues are some big "oooh aaah"? Even in other companies, people realize that not all foil covers are worth $50, back in the early to mid-90's Marvel was slapping foil on anything that was #25, or #50, I don't see people trying to pass that off as something rare. How they should describe their crap lot is... "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!oh and one or two titles you actually need but the shipping is so high because of all the other crap that you'll end up paying $10 for a $2 comic"

ok, never seen 300 of one issue in a lot, but still people are crazy about either trying to sell 3-4 issues with 4-5 copies of each, with one book that I actually need, or acting like Bloodshot #1, Ninjak #1, and Turok #1 are finds of the decade. It's a conspiracy I tell ya, so i'll have to buy a ton of crap to get one comic I actually want.

If they had a normal print run, they wouldn't be bad, might be worth a little more, but that means finding them would actually mean more... like instead of being a $.25comic they might have been $.50 comics

You can thank speculators for the huge print runs. If it wasn't for many dealers sitting on boxes of thousands of copies of these issues, then we won't be seeing them in quarter bins nowadays. Seriously does the dealers back actually think they can sell off those thousand copies at premium prices knowing that most likely there aren't that many readers/fans in the first place? I mean almost 2 million copies of Turok #1 was ordered....geez

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:03 pm

Escaflown4 wrote:
Xero wrote:All those issues I have a crap load of copies of, or either turned me off of a lot on ebay, they'll describe the Lots like "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!" like #1's and chromium/foil issues are some big "oooh aaah"? Even in other companies, people realize that not all foil covers are worth $50, back in the early to mid-90's Marvel was slapping foil on anything that was #25, or #50, I don't see people trying to pass that off as something rare. How they should describe their crap lot is... "300 MAGNUS #25 CROMIUM!!!!, 567 H.A.R.D. CORPS #1!!!!!!!!!!!oh and one or two titles you actually need but the shipping is so high because of all the other crap that you'll end up paying $10 for a $2 comic"

ok, never seen 300 of one issue in a lot, but still people are crazy about either trying to sell 3-4 issues with 4-5 copies of each, with one book that I actually need, or acting like Bloodshot #1, Ninjak #1, and Turok #1 are finds of the decade. It's a conspiracy I tell ya, so i'll have to buy a ton of crap to get one comic I actually want.

If they had a normal print run, they wouldn't be bad, might be worth a little more, but that means finding them would actually mean more... like instead of being a $.25comic they might have been $.50 comics
You can thank speculators for the huge print runs. If it wasn't for many dealers sitting on boxes of thousands of copies of these issues, then we won't be seeing them in quarter bins nowadays. Seriously does the dealers back actually think they can sell off those thousand copies at premium prices knowing that most likely there aren't that many readers/fans in the first place? I mean almost 2 million copies of Turok #1 was ordered....geez

Remember they were selling that many copies of comics are the time. Spider-Man 1 and X-Men 1 both sold crazy numbers. As did Superman 75. Bloodshot 1 was selling at a premium within 1 week of being on the rack...so yes they really did think that they could sell them

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:52 pm

Escaflown4 wrote: You can thank speculators for the huge print runs. If it wasn't for many dealers sitting on boxes of thousands of copies of these issues, then we won't be seeing them in quarter bins nowadays. Seriously does the dealers back actually think they can sell off those thousand copies at premium prices knowing that most likely there aren't that many readers/fans in the first place? I mean almost 2 million copies of Turok #1 was ordered....geez

You can also thank dealers and Valiant itself for buying into the hype. Yes, ultimately the responsibility lies with the people who BOUGHT cases and cases of books...but Valiant didn't say 'no', and neither did the dealers. As long as folks were buying, we're happy, right?

Wrong. Oversaturation is just as insidious and dangerous as rampant speculation, and someone, somewhere should have been the grown up and said 'whoa...our readership base just does NOT support these kinds of numbers! Let's put a brake on things!'

So, instead of levelling off, like all well managed markets do.....they fell right through the bottom. They were only after the quick buck, not the long term health of the company.

And THAT, more than ANYTHING, is why Bob Layton should NEVER have been EIC at Valiant. Too shortsighted. Sorry Bob-o. The buck's gotta stop somewhere, after all, and you guys booted Shooter.

Betcha they wouldn't have made THAT mistake given a second chance. Hey...Marvel did it under Jemas and Quesadilla, and look at Marvel books from the last 5 years? Granted, it's not anywhere NEAR the same market or environment, but still....the solid stuff has held it's value, and you don't see wads and wads of 1999-2004 Marvel books for 25 cents...and that's a VERY good sign.

Valiant, the dealers, the speculators....they just refused to look at the big picture.

And the big picture is ALWAYS where it's at.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 1:56 pm

DawgPhan wrote:
Remember they were selling that many copies of comics are the time. Spider-Man 1 and X-Men 1 both sold crazy numbers. As did Superman 75. Bloodshot 1 was selling at a premium within 1 week of being on the rack...so yes they really did think that they could sell them

X-Men #1, 8 million plus copies printed.

Spiderman #1 1.7 million copies printed.

X-Force #1 2 million plus (!!!!!!!) copies printed.

Superman #75, 4 million copies printed (although, I don't have a breakdown between 'bagged' and 'newsstand', so that may explain the following...) and it STILL sells for $5-$10.

But the rest? Anyone who pays more than $1 for an X-Men #1 for the next 30 years is a fool or is being robbed.

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:26 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
greg wrote:
There's not a single book on this list that deserves to sell for more than cover price...
but there's no way to blame the print runs for all those books on Valiant.
Cover price? Wow. I'd LOVE to get cover price for these! I was thinking 10-20 cents tops....

10-20 cents per issue, or per pound?

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:14 pm

There's strange irony in Greg's list that all of Valiant's most successful comics in original orders would become some of the least successful in back issue sales. Ofcourse it was the 90's so they do have a lot of competition

. Though from the standpoint of a reader, I think it's great. Some of the best comics ever produced can now be bought for a dollar or less in many comic shops.

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:56 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
Remember they were selling that many copies of comics are the time. Spider-Man 1 and X-Men 1 both sold crazy numbers. As did Superman 75. Bloodshot 1 was selling at a premium within 1 week of being on the rack...so yes they really did think that they could sell them
X-Men #1, 8 million plus copies printed.

Spiderman #1 1.7 million copies printed.

X-Force #1 2 million plus (!!!!!!!) copies printed.

Superman #75, 4 million copies printed (although, I don't have a breakdown between 'bagged' and 'newsstand', so that may explain the following...) and it STILL sells for $5-$10.

But the rest? Anyone who pays more than $1 for an X-Men #1 for the next 30 years is a fool or is being robbed.

:idea: Buy a title with millions of copies, for say 10 cents each, burn all the copies you come across except one mint issue that mysteriously survived this fire that only got to the copies of this one particular issue! Driving the one Mint conditioned comic up to a whole $1.25!!!!!!!! mwahahaha.

Is their some kinda deal on Robin #14? A few years back my mom bought me a stack of comics from a garage sell, only $1 for a stack of 50 comics... all of them were Robin #14... I checked and it's a variant worth $3, or it was a few months back.

Eric Jackson · Post by **Eric Jackson** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:23 pm

if anybody doesnt want thier bloodshot #1's, ninjak #1 or xo #0, feel free to send me. I'd be happy to have them.

quietcorn · Post by **quietcorn** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:37 am

Turok 1 had really Solid art. Bart Sears right? I remember getting my copy signed at some convention, and I loves it ^_^

X-0 #0 also top notch. Quesada art if I remember correctly. SO PRETTY! It's the comic I picked up that got me into the X-0 Series to begin with, and that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been in a cover price box somewhere. I don't think it's fair to list solid as heck comics as books that no one wants just because they over printed them. This list of books should stick to what actually isn't worth looking for in the Valiant Universe IMO.

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:06 am

quietcorn wrote:Turok 1 had really Solid art. Bart Sears right? I remember getting my copy signed at some convention, and I loves it ^_^

X-0 #0 also top notch. Quesada art if I remember correctly. SO PRETTY! It's the comic I picked up that got me into the X-0 Series to begin with, and that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been in a cover price box somewhere. I don't think it's fair to list solid as heck comics as books that no one wants just because they over printed them. This list of books should stick to what actually isn't worth looking for in the Valiant Universe IMO.

The comics themselves are good or great, to me they are unwanted cause I have like 5 XO #0, and 3-4 Magnus #25, a bunch of copies of the various DeathMate issues as well, people just threw them in with orders for free cause it's what they had left and couldn't get rid of most of the times. Getting them for free is cool, but the people that try to pass them off as being up to par with say Solar #10, that's just crazy, and annoying at times, expecially when theirs 1-2 comics in the lot that I want, but they start the biding at $10, with 12 common issues, and a couple of harder to find ones, with shipping of like $13, not that much, but it is for only 2 comics that you need... maybe it's just my luck?

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:32 am

Ok, so there are ton of worthless valiant comics out there. However, they are great to get for $0.25. For example, I never read deathmate when it came out because the cover prices were just too high. A lot of dealers were selling the prologue and epilogue for a buck, but the other books were still $4.95 (that's still kinda steep). Anyways, I got the whole set last month for $1.50; it was still a good read (however, deathmate red sucked *SQUEE*). As stated earlier, it is great to get stuff from the quarter bins just to read; plus the valiant stuff is better than most.

But here is the big question. How many active valiant collectors are still out there?

I'm guessing not a lot of us are left (say about 1000 to 5000).

What do you guys think?

soundoftheuniverse · Post by **soundoftheuniverse** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:04 am

I just got a 19 year old interested in Valiants!

Felt good to give him XO 0 (he couldn't believe Elvis was in a comic

), Retribution TBP, w/ Database & Rai TPB w/ Companion. He was stoked and wants to start tracking em down at conventions.

Another convert update 1001 - 5001 ... maybe 1 more ...

Our local LCS owner visits the boards and has a decent sized hoard but he's holding off on comming out of the closet.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:23 am

Valiant missionaries!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:11 pm

I wish there was not a need to put certain books on a "crapper list" cause some of the ones listed are pretty good books regardless of print runs. I understand the desire to educate the Valiant illiterate (especially with the increasing number of off the chart auction prices lately for rather common books), but has anyone considered maybe they do deserve to pay it if they are too lazy to check out what these books are worth first. I mean how hard is it to find these things out?

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:27 pm

Okay, then, what about calling the list "15 Most Common" comics?

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:32 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I wish there was not a need to put certain books on a "crapper list" cause some of the ones listed are pretty good books regardless of print runs. I understand the desire to educate the Valiant illiterate (especially with the increasing number of off the chart auction prices lately for rather common books), but has anyone considered maybe they do deserve to pay it if they are too lazy to check out what these books are worth first. I mean how hard is it to find these things out?

True, if you wanna give $5 for a regular Magnus #25, as opposed to looking it up and seeing that it's not worth it, that's your choice. I'm just closing in on the last and first few of a lot titles, and it's hard to get a desent deal with all of these quarter comic that people want to get 5 bucks out of in a lot with say the last issue of Magnus that they probably have no idea is the last issue

It's like they're mental... and thinking "hmm everyone has this comic book... um $5.... eh never seen this garbage... eh a quarter" problem is finding an individual comic that I need for a quarter or even a few bucks if it's worth it.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:43 pm

Okay, then, what about calling the list "15 Most Common" comics?

That sounds a lot better.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:27 am

I agree with (the) Sipder too, "the most common" sounds better. As stated by others they are good reads (just too many were printed).

Also, I would agree with Greg; collectors/sellers not familar with VALIANT books should be educated/informed.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:53 am

I don't have a problem with unwanted as much as some may have, because I'm thinking of the unwanted as in terms of extra copies. I'm happy to have extra copies of all the pre Unity books, premium issues, last issues, etc. The books I DON'T want multiples on are the books with huge print runs, because no matter how many of them I could accumulate, there is still way too many of them out there for the book to ever be worth anything.

For instance, I've been hitting local rummage sales for comics and within the last few weeks, I could have bought about 200 copies of Bloodshot #0 for pennies, but I passed on them. Many of the people who are trying to sell comics at sales like this are trying to somehow get rid of all their 90's books that they speculated on that became worthless. These sellers also had literally about a 100 copies each of the Superman: Death in the Family chapters and other "hot" books at the time, as well.

I don't think Greg meant the content of the books made these books unwanted, he was just doing a counterpoint to the most wanted list, really which is more based on sales than content, as well.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:44 pm

Brother J wrote: Superman: Death in the Family chapters and other "hot" books at the time, as well.

Which one do you mean? Death of Superman? Or Batman: A Death in the Family?

Cause both of them sell very well on eBay, compared to books of the same era.

Superman #75 bagged routinely sells for $5 or more.....not bad when you consider other 1992 books sell for 25 cents.

And Batman #426-429 I'll buy all day, every day, in NM for $10 or less.
Heck, I'll buy copies of #428 for $1 each anytime, anywhere. You got any?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:50 am

Which one do you mean? Death of Superman? Or Batman: A Death in the Family?

That was a case of my fingers typing faster than my brain, sorry. I was referring to the Death of Superman chapters OTHER than Superman #75 Black bagged.

The books that I found at the rummage in large quantities were Action Comics #685 and Superman #498 (2nd prints).