Valiant F.A.Q. - this is great

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:49 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
DawgPhan wrote: And yes Superman 75 is more important than Harbinger 1. Harbinger sucks anyway..if any book was important in the valiant universe it was Magnus 1.

CACTVS · Post by **CACTVS** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:46 am

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:47 pm

DawgPhan wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
DawgPhan wrote: And yes Superman 75 is more important than Harbinger 1. Harbinger sucks anyway..if any book was important in the valiant universe it was Magnus 1.

Definitely agree about Superman 75. As much as I hate to admit, it may be the most influential comic book of the last 30 years. The ramifications of its publication still effect the industry today. I wonder if DC secretly ever regretted publishing it?.....probably not. DC and every other publisher benefitted from its presence in the market because exposure to the general public boosted sales across the board. Valiant for instance......nearly everyone who purchased a Supes 75 bought a BS #1.

Harbinger #1 was a good book but the title was definitely my least favorite of Valiant's preunity run. I can, however, see that an arguement can be made that it was one of the 10 most important of the decade. Its influence to Valiant was to bring in a younger reader that Magnus and Solar previously had not (until the release of Solar 10 which seemed every kid had a copy of). An even bigger effect was the buzz generated by the hunt for back issues. The pub for that increased interest in Valiant and other independents.

After Supes 75, Spawn #1 may have been the second most important comic of the decade as far as industry influence..........and it really burns me to write that as I am NOT an Image fan. After its publication, there seemed to be a deluge of comics brought to market.

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:10 pm

Second_Death wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
DawgPhan wrote: And yes Superman 75 is more important than Harbinger 1. Harbinger sucks anyway..if any book was important in the valiant universe it was Magnus 1.

Definitely agree about Superman 75. As much as I hate to admit, it may be the most influential comic book of the last 30 years. The ramifications of its publication still effect the industry today. I wonder if DC secretly ever regretted publishing it?.....probably not. DC and every other publisher benefitted from its presence in the market because exposure to the general public boosted sales across the board. Valiant for instance......nearly everyone who purchased a Supes 75 bought a BS #1.

Harbinger #1 was a good book but the title was definitely my least favorite of Valiant's preunity run. I can, however, see that an arguement can be made that it was one of the 10 most important of the decade. Its influence to Valiant was to bring in a younger reader that Magnus and Solar previously had not (until the release of Solar 10 which seemed every kid had a copy of). An even bigger effect was the buzz generated by the hunt for back issues. The pub for that increased interest in Valiant and other independents.

After Supes 75, Spawn #1 may have been the second most important comic of the decade as far as industry influence..........and it really burns me to write that as I am NOT an Image fan. After its publication, there seemed to be a deluge of comics brought to market.

Harbinger is such a good read, but Magnus is my favorite pre-unity as is Solar. The topics they approached were geared more towards adults (don't know if I would have appreciated them, if I had read them as a kid-I am glad I was able to read them as an adult), whereas Harbinger was geared towards a younger reader.

Spawn--yep...so many young readers loved it and still do. I think every kid I grew up read Spawn.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:19 pm

Hmm..... So anyways, what's the deal with Spawn? I mean, yeah, we probably all read it, depending on our age, after it was released - along with Youngblood (god help us all). How can price "guides" still say that #1 is worth $ while something like 1.75 million copies were printed?

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:30 pm

Zero wrote:Now, I see your point about Superman 75, but I think you're wrong. That book was important the year it came out & has no bearing anymore. There's nothing key about that book since the character didn't really die. Outside of the overhype & high sales numbers the book does not matter. What's revolutionary about hyping the death of a major character that ends up not being dead? So, it's a big character. Big deal. The character didn't die...

You're looking back on it with hindsight. You have to remember that this was a big thing at the time, and people actually believed that it happened. Like ZWH pointed out, people heard that a global icon, the first superhero, is said to die in a comic. In fifth grade people I don't believe would actually buy superhero comics were talking about the Death of Superman.

Put it this way, if I were to ask a large sample of people who used to read comics or don't read comics, I would bet that there'd be more people who would know that "Superman Died" or recognize Spawn over people who recall Harbinger.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:44 pm

I agree with The Spider & ZephyrWasHOT!! . I'm not sure how to reply like everyone else does.... I'm new at this. Please someone let me know, I'm a bit IGNANT when it comes to boards. Supermans "death" had so much media coverage that when #75 came out it was instantly priced at around $15. How many movies & different comic book series, cartoons, video games & books has Superman had? Even Spawn had his movie, video games & a cartoon. What did Harbinger have besides some good stories for a few years?

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:50 pm

Mike wrote:I agree with The Spider & ZephyrWasHOT!! . I'm not sure how to reply like everyone else does.... I'm new at this. Please someone let me know, I'm a bit IGNANT when it comes to boards. Supermans "death" had so much media coverage that when #75 came out it was instantly priced at around $15. How many movies & different comic book series, cartoons, video games & books has Superman had? Even Spawn had his movie, video games & a cartoon. What did Harbinger have besides some good stories for a few years?

You mean to quote people? Just click the quote button at the top of the post, basically.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:55 pm

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Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:57 pm

The Spider wrote:
Mike wrote:I agree with The Spider & ZephyrWasHOT!! . I'm not sure how to reply like everyone else does.... I'm new at this. Please someone let me know, I'm a bit IGNANT when it comes to boards. Supermans "death" had so much media coverage that when #75 came out it was instantly priced at around $15. How many movies & different comic book series, cartoons, video games & books has Superman had? Even Spawn had his movie, video games & a cartoon. What did Harbinger have besides some good stories for a few years?
You mean to quote people? Just click the quote button at the top of the post, basically.

I'm not sure what happened back there.... Thanks for your help!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:41 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:Harbinger is such a good read, but Magnus is my favorite pre-unity as is Solar. The topics they approached were geared more towards adults (don't know if I would have appreciated them, if I had read them as a kid-I am glad I was able to read them as an adult), whereas Harbinger was geared towards a younger reader.

I loved them all, as when they came out I was only 20-21, so I was young enough to really dig Harbinger (and being an X-Men fan didn't hurt) but yet I have always loved science/speculative fiction as well as fantasy fiction, so books like Magnus and Solar didn't turn me away. It was such a GREAT time to be in comics...

...and then came the bust, the speculator boom, and almost the death of the industry.

Well, DC, Image, and Dark Horse came out unscathed. Marvel had to file for bankruptcy (I almost had a heart attack that day, and I wasn't even 30 yet!) And VALIANT gave way to Acclaim, which just gave way.

So, here's to the new VALIANT - may we see good comics from them, and soon!

-slym (pardon his rambling)

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:49 pm

slym2none wrote:
So, here's to the new VALIANT - may we see good comics from them, and soon!

-slym (pardon his rambling)

Here, here (raising a bottle of Arrowhead water)

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:51 am

Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:32 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:48 am

Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.

Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:54 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?

The Weird one.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:08 am

Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.

The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:43 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Tell me....what was the highest grossing film of 2005?

Now tell me...what film won the Academy Award for Best Picture?

Now tell me....when was the last time those two were the same movie?

2005 . . . um . . . LOTR: Return of the King ? or was that eariler. I think it was the highest grossing film when it won.

I know that Titanic was also when it came out and won the Best Picture . . .

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:33 pm

siren3-4 wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Tell me....what was the highest grossing film of 2005?

Now tell me...what film won the Academy Award for Best Picture?

Now tell me....when was the last time those two were the same movie?
2005 . . . um . . . LOTR: Return of the King ? or was that eariler. I think it was the highest grossing film when it won.

I know that Titanic was also when it came out and won the Best Picture . . .

LOTR was released in 2003, and won in 2004.

Yes and yes....a difference of 6 years. It doesn't happen often.

The highest grossing film of 2005 was Sith. The Best Picture was Million Dollar Baby.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:41 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
siren3-4 wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote: Tell me....what was the highest grossing film of 2005?

Now tell me...what film won the Academy Award for Best Picture?

Now tell me....when was the last time those two were the same movie?
2005 . . . um . . . LOTR: Return of the King ? or was that eariler. I think it was the highest grossing film when it won.

I know that Titanic was also when it came out and won the Best Picture . . .
LOTR was released in 2003, and won in 2004.

Yes and yes....a difference of 6 years. It doesn't happen often.

The highest grossing film of 2005 was Sith. The Best Picture was Million Dollar Baby.

MDB was a great movie.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:55 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.
The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....

I got you and a Star Trek fanboy calling me weird

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:20 am

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.
The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....
I got you and a Star Trek fanboy calling me weird

Looks like you are stuck with that custom title. Funny thing is mate, I never thought you were that weird. Hecking heck, you post on a board full of comic and collecting geeks. Weirdness is relative.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:19 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.
The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....
I got you and a Star Trek fanboy calling me weird

Hey....I command large groups of construction workers in real life, bub.....I'm certainly not a "nerd"....at least in public.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:20 pm

leonmallett wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote: There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.
The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....
I got you and a Star Trek fanboy calling me weird
Looks like you are stuck with that custom title. Funny thing is mate, I never thought you were that weird. Hecking heck, you post on a board full of comic and collecting geeks. Weirdness is relative.

CC's not understanding....that's what he said about someone ELSE....yeah, it could be interpreted as referring to HIM, but since almost all custom titles are things the people actually said, it should be pretty obvious to the non-dumb.

I still think Depluto's custom title is hilarious.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:38 am

cobra_commander wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Here...The Weird One asked for some dredging....this isn't EXACTLY the one I was looking for, but it's related...

There's just one?

You're going to have to be more specific.
Which "one"? The Weird One? Or the thread "one"?
The Weird one.
The Weird One....you gotta follow every thread, man....
I got you and a Star Trek fanboy calling me weird

And nobody else disputing it.

It's cool, though. It takes all kind of fruit to make a fruit cup.