Spiderman's "new" costume

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:13 pm

Someone that he trusts, but he is still lying and keeping secrets from him. Yep that sounds like he is his second. His protoge. Tony his sunk low hiring Titanuim Man to do his dirty work.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Mon May 22, 2006 12:36 am

This is something greatly debated on the Iron man boards. I'm waiting for the end of Civil War before I rant about how Marvel has written Iron Man throughout. So far it's entertaining, but I'm more hung up on what they will be doing to this character than I am on the ramifications of the story.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:20 pm

The new costume is nothing compared to this!!!!

Be warned, one of the biggest spoilers in comic history are in this article...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Civi ... eader.html

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:38 pm

That is a surprise all right.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:05 pm

I about hit the floor when I read that page.....

-Brian

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:07 pm

I didnt think he would do it but I didnt totally put out of the realm of possibility.

But you guys know it was actually Spidey's clone that did this... right ?

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:59 pm

I think that this is Quesada's way of solving the marriage thing he's been going on about.
Now, someone will kill off MJ using one of Spidey's villains as a revenge tactic. That way, Spidey will be single again, yet no divorce.

Additionally, here is another thought, in the mid 90's, comic book companies resorted to shock tactics by killing heros en masse, and reinventing them as other, newer icons (Batman, Superman, GL, Spidey Clone, Teen Tony Stark, etc). The industry crumbled and then imploded.

Now, ten years later, comic companies are resorting to shock tactics by revealing identities and rebooting titles (Iron man reveal, Spidey reveal, Daredevil reveal, DC Crisis stuff). Sounds like a repeat of Cloneage and Teenage, etc.

I WILL say that these things are being done in a fashion that is more story driven than before (i.e., the leadup to this Spidey "thing" has been well established and developed for months now at least). I don't think this is a catastrophe as much as an evolution, however it also rings of past industry mistakes.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:30 am

OK, so how will Marvel ret-con THIS mistake out of existance?

-slym (is so glad he gave up on new comics)

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:31 am

I read the Civil War issue tonight...

on Spidey's part. The whole Civil War story is VERY intriging (sp) at the moment but the whole Spidey thing just... got on my nerves.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:34 am

IMJ wrote:I think that this is Quesada's way of solving the marriage thing he's been going on about.
Now, someone will kill off MJ using one of Spidey's villains as a revenge tactic. That way, Spidey will be single again, yet no divorce.

Again? But they already did that...

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:14 am

I'm finally getting caught up. I just read Civil War #2 and AMS #533, then cought up with this thread. I'm glad I didn't read any of the spoilers as that would have tremendously affected my reading of these issues.

Although ASM #532 ended with Peter about to reveal his identity, I really didn't expect it to actually happen. My expectation was that the majority of #533 would be an internal monologue in Peter's head taking place in those few seconds as he approached the microphone. Peter would re-examine his whole life, the reasons for keeping his identity secret, evaluate his value system, apply that to current circumstances, then change his mind and announce his opposition to the registration act. That's the ASM #533 I expected.

I wasn't shocked as much as I was stunned. Although this issue did evoke an emotional reaction unlike most recent issues, I just didn't enjoy that emotional reaction. JMS handled the circumstances very well, and it was excellently written, but it wasn't a story I wanted to read. It wasn't something that shouldn't happen. My primary thought as I was reading was "this is just wrong." My secondary thought was "how are they going to fix this?"

I understand the need to move a character forward. But, a character doesn't have to be destroyed for there to be growth and change. Moving Peter from high school to college and having to make it on his own was growth in the character. Peter & MJ getting married was growth in the character, but it didn't change who Spider-Man is. JMS is usually great at moving characters forward without changing everything about who they are. But that's not what's happening here.

I don't recognize Spider-Man anymore. His powers and abilities are different. His costume is different. His attitude is different. His place in the Marvel universe is different. Perhaps the idea is to strip Peter/Spider-Man down to his core and rebuild from there. But I fear the core has been stripped away too.

It's not just the status quo that was shattered here.

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:58 am

I agree this isn't Spider-Man anymore. I'll probably be cancelling ASM soon. I miss the Spider-Man I grew up with. The new suit he has that just takes away from his natural powers. His attitude. Everything about him has changed.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:47 am

I hear they are changing the costume yet again in the next few issues! If you want to see the new duds, scroll down (i.e., "spoiler alert) :

-slym (covers head and runs)

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:56 am

Heath wrote:I'm finally getting caught up. I just read Civil War #2 and AMS #533, then cought up with this thread. I'm glad I didn't read any of the spoilers as that would have tremendously affected my reading of these issues.

Although ASM #532 ended with Peter about to reveal his identity, I really didn't expect it to actually happen. My expectation was that the majority of #533 would be an internal monologue in Peter's head taking place in those few seconds as he approached the microphone. Peter would re-examine his whole life, the reasons for keeping his identity secret, evaluate his value system, apply that to current circumstances, then change his mind and announce his opposition to the registration act. That's the ASM #533 I expected.

I wasn't shocked as much as I was stunned. Although this issue did evoke an emotional reaction unlike most recent issues, I just didn't enjoy that emotional reaction. JMS handled the circumstances very well, and it was excellently written, but it wasn't a story I wanted to read. It wasn't something that shouldn't happen. My primary thought as I was reading was "this is just wrong." My secondary thought was "how are they going to fix this?"

I understand the need to move a character forward. But, a character doesn't have to be destroyed for there to be growth and change. Moving Peter from high school to college and having to make it on his own was growth in the character. Peter & MJ getting married was growth in the character, but it didn't change who Spider-Man is. JMS is usually great at moving characters forward without changing everything about who they are. But that's not what's happening here.

I don't recognize Spider-Man anymore. His powers and abilities are different. His costume is different. His attitude is different. His place in the Marvel universe is different. Perhaps the idea is to strip Peter/Spider-Man down to his core and rebuild from there. But I fear the core has been stripped away too.

It's not just the status quo that was shattered here.

I'm glad I'm missing it. It sounds like nothing I want a part of either even if I was buying new books again. So much for Spiderman’s famous creed "with great power comes great responsibility". How responsible is it for his friends and family to be on every bad guy’s hit list? There is a reason for secret identities... so you can keep your f&f safe and so you can have a normal life. You can't be a full time hero 24/7, even someone as powerful as Superman needs to have some privacy and normalcy.

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:50 pm

Yes I think this is another big mistake by Marvel. Like when they had spider clones everywhere.

svair · Post by **svair** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:10 pm

Heath wrote:I don't recognize Spider-Man anymore. His powers and abilities are different. His costume is different. His attitude is different. His place in the Marvel universe is different. .

Maybe they are planning to kill off this "different" spidey.?

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:40 pm

If they do than who will replace him? That creature that came out of the skin he shed? Whatever happened to that thing?

svair · Post by **svair** » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:41 pm

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:07 am

I understand where you're coming from Jay, but I just feel differently.

There are natural progressions and growth that any character should go through. Peter growing up and going to college, the death of Gwen, getting married to MJ, etc. Those bring about growth without changing the core of who Peter Parker/Spider-Man is.

As bad as the clone saga was, I think recent events are worse (although they've been written a lot better - but the plot ideas themselves are worse).

If a few years ago someone would have told me Peter is going to learn Gwen slept with Norman Osborne and secretly had his kids who grew up super fast and Peter has to fight them, then Spider-Man is killed, but he crawls out of his corpse as a spider, wraps himself in a coccoon and comes back from the dead, then he starts wearing a gold and red high-tech suit with tentacles, becomes Iron Man's lacky and reveals his secret identity to the world.... I would have said "No, JMS is writing now so we won't have to endure any stupidity like that!"

I'm not knocking JMS's writing here. Just the plot points. IMO, they're very bad stories that are written extremely well. If that makes any sense.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:24 pm

This costume (as all the others) is transient... JMS even said so himself, so I am not worried.

Richv1 · Post by **Richv1** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:18 pm

I know the costume is only tempary. But still it just seems a wast of a character having him in it. Change can be good but not to much and not much at all on a character that works as is.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:53 pm

Well it is just like 'death' in the Marvel Universe.

"Hey, Spider-Man is dead."

"Yeah right... for how long?"

Probably my biggest beef with all the comic companies these days.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:27 pm

My biggest beef is the cover price and the amount of titles per character.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:40 pm

No kidding, just HOW many times can Wolverine save the world a month ?

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:47 pm

Knightt wrote:This costume (as all the others) is transient... JMS even said so himself, so I am not worried.

Yeah, I know, but still...

It's not the idea of a costume change I dislike so much. It's the nature of this particular suit. The color scheme, the technology, the tentacles... it makes him someone other than Spider-Man.