Who should be the creative visionary of the new Valiant?

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:00 pm

Todd Luck wrote:

You better "

" with a list like that

Why don't you do it?

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:40 pm

All VIP stuff aside, I think Dino & Co.'s hearts were in the right place when they bought the properties...

HOWEVER, I am just about certain that they aren't the right people to own Valiant. I don't think that they have the visionary prespective to get it right, and may bail to Massarsky's cronies when the pressure mounts.

These characters should be in the hands of caring industry professionals, which Dino & Co. aren't. I KNOW there is a group of individuals biting at the bit to take over Valiant the right way. Whether they will ever get the chance is undecided and questionable.

Maybe I should shut-up, but I've had enough.

If things aren't done right, I will certainly boycott any and all forthcoming new product.

We, as TRUE fans of Valiant, need to make a strong stand. Dino needs to COME OUT from behind his veil of smoke, mirrors, and midget jokes, and make an official statement, regardless of the whole VIP fiasco.
VIP doesn't have a leg to stand on, and if it takes Dino threatening a cease and desist lawsuit of some kind to put the scare of Jesus in them, than it has to be done NOW. He should NOT wait for a Judge to issue an order if he can scare them off their game with top notch legal representation.

IT CAN BE DONE.

If Valiant gets screwed up this time, it's a done deal. That swooshing sound you'll hear will be all hopes of a New Vision being sucked down the drain.---Steve

(Bowl of Ice Cream, indeed!)

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:48 pm

great....

another Ice Cream debate

-Brian

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:03 pm

I don't know what Dino & Co. have planned, so I'm talking out of complete ignorance here, but I fear you are right, VK. I'm getting the same feeling I got when Amiga (the BEST computer ever!) was handled the way it was after Commodore went bankrupt.

I haven't lost hope yet. I still have faith that there is a plan out there. But I do fear. Unless I've missed something, the only word that has leaked out from anybody that any progress may be being made was Christopher Priest saying he had talked to VIP about Q&W and had faith in them.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:05 pm

Ice Cream is leading 4-0-0-0-0-0

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:25 pm

I voted for Rob Liefeld because I want to see EXTREME X-O!!

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:39 pm

Heath wrote:I voted for Rob Liefeld because I want to see EXTREME X-O!!

OK thats just SICK!!!!

-Brian

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:07 am

Two votes for Mike Baron... interesting!

If he could only bring along Steve Rude...............

-slym

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:30 am

"I like Ice Cream..."

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:12 am

Where's the "Steve Massarsky" option...?

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:55 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Where's the "Steve Massarsky" option...?

Good one, Z-man!

Sad, but true...

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:05 am

Vault-Keeper wrote:All VIP stuff aside, I think Dino & Co.'s hearts were in the right place when they bought the properties...

HOWEVER, I am just about certain that they aren't the right people to own Valiant. I don't think that they have the visionary prespective to get it right, and may bail to Massarsky's cronies when the pressure mounts.

These characters should be in the hands of caring industry professionals, which Dino & Co. aren't. I KNOW there is a group of individuals biting at the bit to take over Valiant the right way. Whether they will ever get the chance is undecided and questionable.

Maybe I should shut-up, but I've had enough.

If things aren't done right, I will certainly boycott any and all forthcoming new product.

We, as TRUE fans of Valiant, need to make a strong stand. Dino needs to COME OUT from behind his veil of smoke, mirrors, and midget jokes, and make an official statement, regardless of the whole VIP fiasco.
VIP doesn't have a leg to stand on, and if it takes Dino threatening a cease and desist lawsuit of some kind to put the scare of Jesus in them, than it has to be done NOW. He should NOT wait for a Judge to issue an order if he can scare them off their game with top notch legal representation.

IT CAN BE DONE.

If Valiant gets screwed up this time, it's a done deal. That swooshing sound you'll hear will be all hopes of a New Vision being sucked down the drain.---Steve

(Bowl of Ice Cream, indeed!)

Well said!

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:34 am

Who the hell voted for Rob Liefeld?

Slym! I'm looking at you....

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:29 am

We had better pray that these are not the real choices.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:03 am

betterthanezra wrote:
Heath wrote:I voted for Rob Liefeld because I want to see EXTREME X-O!!
OK thats just SICK!!!!

-Brian

They already tried that. It was called Birthquake...

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:07 am

Technique wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
You better " " with a list like that

Why don't you do it?

Because no one's asked

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:47 am

If Jim Shooter could revive Magnus with his Gold Key and Whitman continuity intact, then the same is possible for the VALIANT Universe that we know from before Unity.

I refuse to believe that this is an impossible task.

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:01 am

Without knowing more, I don't know if we can say Dino et al are up to the task. It may be possible they weren't planning on being the visionary forces behind a new valiant - merely the owners. Maybe they were/are planning on bringing other people in, hiring people, who knows what.

With so much information still in the dark, I think it is all but impossible to say who would, or wouldn't, be a good "leader". Until we have some idea what the plans are, we can't say that someone is wrong or right, IMO.

Heck, it could be possible the despite the *SQUEE*-backwards way that VIP has attempted to control the Valiant properties, they might have a good plan. I wouldn't bet on it based on their methodology so far, but I do agree that the current owners aren't being much more forthcoming. Secrecy was one of the complaints about VIP, but no one is really telling us anything.

Of course, we don't own Valiant, we aren't involved in any legal fight, we don't have any huge financial stake, so we aren't really required to be in the loop. It would just be nice, that's all, to have some information - on the situtuation, on the future plans, on the goals, on anything.

Chris

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:54 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:If Jim Shooter could revive Magnus with his Gold Key and Whitman continuity intact, then the same is possible for the VALIANT Universe that we know from before Unity.

I refuse to believe that this is an impossible task.

Looks like the thread has met it's "MOTA anti-recton post" quota

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:58 am

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:02 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:All VIP stuff aside, I think Dino & Co.'s hearts were in the right place when they bought the properties...

HOWEVER, I am just about certain that they aren't the right people to own Valiant. I don't think that they have the visionary prespective to get it right, and may bail to Massarsky's cronies when the pressure mounts.

These characters should be in the hands of caring industry professionals, which Dino & Co. aren't. I KNOW there is a group of individuals biting at the bit to take over Valiant the right way. Whether they will ever get the chance is undecided and questionable.

Maybe I should shut-up, but I've had enough.

If things aren't done right, I will certainly boycott any and all forthcoming new product.

We, as TRUE fans of Valiant, need to make a strong stand. Dino needs to COME OUT from behind his veil of smoke, mirrors, and midget jokes, and make an official statement, regardless of the whole VIP fiasco.
VIP doesn't have a leg to stand on, and if it takes Dino threatening a cease and desist lawsuit of some kind to put the scare of Jesus in them, than it has to be done NOW. He should NOT wait for a Judge to issue an order if he can scare them off their game with top notch legal representation.

IT CAN BE DONE.

If Valiant gets screwed up this time, it's a done deal. That swooshing sound you'll hear will be all hopes of a New Vision being sucked down the drain.---Steve

(Bowl of Ice Cream, indeed!)

Okay so I take it you now think VIP will be longer than a foot note in the history of the launch?

And you don't seem to be scared that we're fueling the fire or aiding the enemy anymore.

viewtopic.php?p=151585&highlight=humor#151585

Just imagine VIP could be printing this thread out right now...

"We found the secret to siezing Valiant in this thread!"

"What is it?"

"The board wants the leader of the new Valiant to be...a bowl of ice cream!"

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:15 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:If Jim Shooter could revive Magnus with his Gold Key and Whitman continuity intact, then the same is possible for the VALIANT Universe that we know from before Unity.

I refuse to believe that this is an impossible task.

refuse all you want, but that doesnt exactly mean anything...being stubborn doesnt mean you are right...

it doesnt mean you are wrong either....

I just hope that they dont listen to anything that is said on this board and they do what they feel is in their best interest...

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:16 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:If Jim Shooter could revive Magnus with his Gold Key and Whitman continuity intact, then the same is possible for the VALIANT Universe that we know from before Unity.

I refuse to believe that this is an impossible task.

refuse all you want, but that doesnt exactly mean anything...being stubborn doesnt mean you are right...

it doesnt mean you are wrong either....

I just hope that they dont listen to anything that is said on this board and they do what they feel is in their best interest...

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:16 pm

It's not about being stubborn.

Fact is that Shooter managed to do that, which means it can be done. Anyone that chooses not to do it does it because they can't do what Shooter did, not because it can't be done.

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