Isn't Solar Boring?

[Sect]

I was going back and reading some of my old Solar comics and realize...this is really boring stuff. I mean, I just don't care for Phil, Gayle, Dr. Eclipse or anyone else from that comic.

The issues with Destroyer eradicating the spider-aliens....booorriinggg.


I mean, I would rather read the later issues of X-O, which makes absolutely no sense to me at all, instead of Solar.

Hell, I'd rather read Deathmate than Solar

Anyone else feel this way or is it just me?

[myron]

IMO the first 10 issues of Solar might be some of the best comic writing I've ever read...visually as well as cerebral...made you think...I actually don't think the Solar run got unreadable until well into the 40's...

[justin]

IMO the first 10 issues of Solar might be some of the best comic writing I've ever read...visually as well as cerebral...made you think...I actually don't think the Solar run got unreadable until well into the 40's...

Ditto!

-A

[DJSpecter]

I don't think that it ever got unreadable. And I suppose that when you claim it did, Sect there found it fascinating. Solar in a soup kitchen. Solar working for the Korean Gov't. Solar decides he doesn't like the color of his outfit, so he makes it black.

I just reread 1-17 on the weekend, so I tell you, it was interesting. Although, if I ever do another trivia contest one of the answers is going to be Jorge. That was a bit of Valiant history I didn't remember.

-Dave

[myron]

I don't think that it ever got unreadable. And I suppose that when you claim it did, Sect there found it fascinating. Solar in a soup kitchen. Solar working for the Korean Gov't. Solar decides he doesn't like the color of his outfit, so he makes it black.

I just reread 1-17 on the weekend, so I tell you, it was interesting. Although, if I ever do another trivia contest one of the answers is going to be Jorge. That was a bit of Valiant history I didn't remember.

-Dave

I had a hard time with it in the late 40's...the other super hero having a "thing" for him didn't do it for me...I've really only glanced through about 55-60...but it seemed the amount of dialogue vs splash had really changed...and not for the better...

[Sect]

Well, I suppose I should rephrase my statement.

I do acknowledge that the first few issues were good

but i'm talking about the later issues and therefore the entire run as a whole.

I just don't find it invigorating especially since i've been reading the later issues of the run recently

[DJSpecter]

One thing I did notice though was that Solar was such a wimp in the earlier issues. I mean seriously. In later issues he can't be fazed physically.

-Dave

[dino]

One thing I did notice though was that Solar was such a wimp in the earlier issues. I mean seriously. In later issues he can't be fazed physically.

-Dave

That is exactly what made it boring for me at the end. It was great seeing this ultimate superhero need to take his life into being a hero. I loved how his power scared him in the begining or how he would tear a jacket saving the world and get upset.

[DJSpecter]

One thing I never understood was solar's use of clothes. It's one of the first lines in the comic, and he just doesn't get it for a long time, he doesn't need clothes, he doesn't need a body. That was actually something that was dealt with in much earlier issues-- how close together does he have to keep his physical form to keep conscience.

-Dave

[Todd Luck]

I was going back and reading some of my old Solar comics and realize...this is really boring stuff. I mean, I just don't care for Phil, Gayle, Dr. Eclipse or anyone else from that comic.

The issues with Destroyer eradicating the spider-aliens....booorriinggg.


I mean, I would rather read the later issues of X-O, which makes absolutely no sense to me at all, instead of Solar.

Hell, I'd rather read Deathmate than Solar

Anyone else feel this way or is it just me?

I've got to agree with him once you get past the first twenty issues, it does start to deteriorate into repeating the same stories over and over with characters who slowly become unrecognizable. The Shooter stuff is fantastic. Van Hook's early stuff is good but the later issues, I just don't know what happens to him. Overworked? Burned out? Editorial interferance? By the time the Destroyer trilogy happens there's just no enjoyment left for me in the book. I just got those later issues recently and I was very disappointed. Vanhook could do so much better than that. Ofcourse, it was still paradise compared to Jurgen's atrocities with the character.

And, yes, I fully agree that the Destoryer trilogy and anything else with him in it after that is boring and painful. The guy's a wuss and an idiot. After reading the later issues, I have no idea why people voted him the winner of the Valiant tournament on here a while back. He couldn't even win an arguement with a child in one issue! The only time he does something other than get blasted in the Genocide trilogy is when he's doing silly things that should be impossible (destroying planets with hand beams, killing an X-O armor by having it slam into a wall, ect). Maybe Destroyer's real power was bad writing?

[Sect]

killing an X-O armor by having it slam into a wall

AHAHAHAH I never thought about that, but now that I do, it does seem quite silly...I mean, xo is suppossedly the strongest class of armor and one would think that slamming into a wall would faze the wearer but not kill him outright.

LOL

[SolarFan777]

And, yes, I fully agree that the Destoryer trilogy and anything else with him in it after that is boring and painful. The guy's a wuss and an idiot.

I'm going to have to ask you to step outside! :x

[riftt]

theres something charming about the end of the x-o run. I think if you read the vh2 x-o and then go back to it you will appreciate it more (not saying its not crap)

[darkknight919]

The first 14 or so issues really were good stuff, but I refuse to mark out to ANYTHING with the Destroyer in it. Boring. 'Nuff said.

[OmenSpirits.com]

I was going back and reading some of my old Solar comics and realize...this is really boring stuff. I mean, I just don't care for Phil, Gayle, Dr. Eclipse or anyone else from that comic.

The issues with Destroyer eradicating the spider-aliens....booorriinggg.


I mean, I would rather read the later issues of X-O, which makes absolutely no sense to me at all, instead of Solar.

Hell, I'd rather read Deathmate than Solar

Anyone else feel this way or is it just me?

No, I think it's just you. Solar was one the first valiants I was picking up on the regular. I'm battling now for the unity trades. I even liked destroyer. The dicatomy of his split personality was something I really liked reading. (UNLIKE THE CRAP BEING FLOATED OUT as comics today.

[whetteon]

Which issue did Solar start fighting a gay villian? I think that was the beginning of the end.

[myron]

Which issue did Solar start fighting a gay villian? I think that was the beginning of the end.

late 40's early 50's...if I have time I'll look for ya whet...maybe someone else knows off the top of their heads tho'

[Todd Luck]

Which issue did Solar start fighting a gay villian? I think that was the beginning of the end.

late 40's early 50's...if I have time I'll look for ya whet...maybe someone else knows off the top of their heads tho'

I don't have issues but based on what Manoftheatom posted about it, it would have to Solar 53 or 54 (maybe both):

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/issue.asp?cn=666

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/issue.asp?cn=667

[slym2none]

killing an X-O armor by having it slam into a wall

OK, I didn't read this issue so I don't really know, so I'll ask a question and propose a possibilty - just how hard did Solar slam the spider-alien X-O into a wall, and what was the wall made of? I say this because (and again, take into account I have not read this issue) isn't it possible that he used his energy-manipulating power to speed the X-O clad alien into some sort of "hyper-speed" (1/4 the speed of light or even faster) which could result into the entire X-O clad entity being smashed into puddles of goo, or even less? With enough speed, even the relatively low mass of an X-O clad alien would be devastated by impacting with a hard enough surface (which begs my question about the "wall's" material.)

Now, if in the comic, we see the alien just bounce off the wall, still whole, and just die - well, that does seem a bit cheesy.



-slym

[Sect]

okay, i remember reading those two issues and I didn't think the dude was gay.

I always thought he was a narcissistic, self-important, pompus, *SQUEE*

[whetteon]

okay, i remember reading those two issues and I didn't think the dude was gay.

I always thought he was a narcissistic, self-important, pompus, *SKREE*

does talking about gay villians make the thread go gay or is it still on topic? Not that there is anything wrong with it...

[Todd Luck]

okay, i remember reading those two issues and I didn't think the dude was gay.

I always thought he was a narcissistic, self-important, pompus, *SKREE*

I misremembered his post:

"After Solar left Earth 2 he returned to Earth 1 where he met some of the most idiotic bad guys in the history of the medium.

One was a gay guy that wanted to get it on with Solar... that was his whole motivation, that he wanted to have sex with Solar.

It was a really bad "Superman/Lex Luthor" joke brought to life."

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... olar#12497

It sounded like it was right when Solar got back but it's doesn't neccessarily have to be. If it's not in 53 or 54, then I guess it's an issue somewhere between 55 and 60 then?

[magnusr]

okay, i remember reading those two issues and I didn't think the dude was gay.

I always thought he was a narcissistic, self-important, pompus, *SKREE*

The guy in Solar 53 and 54 is mainly self-important , but there are also some remarks saying he's not interested in women. And about Solar he says: The man is quite attractive.

/Magnus

[Sect]

okay, i remember reading those two issues and I didn't think the dude was gay.

I always thought he was a narcissistic, self-important, pompus, *SKREE*

The guy in Solar 53 and 54 is mainly self-important , but there are also some remarks saying he's not interested in women. And about Solar he says: The man is quite attractive.

/Magnus

LOL nice, must have been the tight, bulge-revealing suit Solar was wearing

[slym2none]

killing an X-O armor by having it slam into a wall

OK, I didn't read this issue so I don't really know, so I'll ask a question and propose a possibilty - just how hard did Solar slam the spider-alien X-O into a wall, and what was the wall made of? I say this because (and again, take into account I have not read this issue) isn't it possible that he used his energy-manipulating power to speed the X-O clad alien into some sort of "hyper-speed" (1/4 the speed of light or even faster) which could result into the entire X-O clad entity being smashed into puddles of goo, or even less? With enough speed, even the relatively low mass of an X-O clad alien would be devastated by impacting with a hard enough surface (which begs my question about the "wall's" material.)

Now, if in the comic, we see the alien just bounce off the wall, still whole, and just die - well, that does seem a bit cheesy.



-slym

Geez, was I just so much of a noob that no-one decided to answer my rather well-worded question here?





-slym (was rather proud of that post)