How bad was "Geomancer"??

MiamiLoco · Post by **MiamiLoco** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:16 pm

I think I read a couple of disses towards the Geomancer book (1-8). So exactly how BAD was it? All I know is that it dealt with a totally new Geomancer.

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:59 pm

I just started reading the Geomancer run two nights ago for the first time. When I got up to number 4 I realized I'm missing number #5 so I stalled. The missing issue is sitting in another box I'm sure which is in storage. It will be awhile before I can finish to number 8.

So far I'm not very impressed... but it has its moments.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:32 pm

Great art (Rags) the first issue was kinda cool then the stories went south. I did like the intro's to each issue showing past Geomacers. It wasn't great but not much worse than most of the books coming out at that time.

qrnd · Post by **qrnd** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:52 pm

I was always partially confused by the story. Wasnt Geoff supposed to have lived a lot further into the future (Rai 0)?

FunkiTron · Post by **FunkiTron** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:28 pm

uruchuu wrote:I was always partially confused by the story. Wasnt Geoff supposed to have lived a lot further into the future (Rai 0)?

He got thrown into the Lost Land at the end of Chaos Effect. He could have come back at any time. He could have come back a year later but aged ten years. Now that would have been cool. Geoff coming back a lot older, tougher, and more experienced from living in the Lost Land, and taking over from the blind guy (what was his name??). Maybe he would be able to hold his own against Gilad and be able to fight alongside him. That would be sweet!

But anyways....I thought the Geomancer issues weren't bad, buit definitely weren't too great. 'Course I only have the first 4.

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:36 pm

I guess I'm alone, I thought that Geomancer was a really insightful book. Instead of haveing the Geomancer be the eyes and ears of the Earth, (which would have been a book that would have had little real potential as its own title; maybe as a yearbook) we have a guy who is dependant on the earth. The earth is his eyes, since he's blind. I thought it was great conceptually, here is a guy who is really co-dependant with the earth. It was short lived, and in his appearences afterward, we see how much stronger he grew as a character.

And in terms of the Rai 0 thing- bigger problem, where did Geoff get a niece? He has no siblings.

-Dave

shaxper · Post by **shaxper** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:42 pm

I've never read Geomancer, but I'd always figured it was the story of Aram after he became the Eternal Geomancer. Guess not...

MiamiLoco · Post by **MiamiLoco** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:50 am

Oh man, dont even go the Eternal Geomancer route.

oh no, now you have to talk about this "Eternal Geomancer" what's that all about??!!

shaxper · Post by **shaxper** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:16 am

MiamiLoco wrote:
Oh man, dont even go the Eternal Geomancer route.
oh no, now you have to talk about this "Eternal Geomancer" what's that all about??!!

Aram (Armstrong) was apparently always destined to be the Eternal Geomancer, the Geomancer who wouldn't die, while Gilad was destined to be the Fists and Steal of the Earth, or something like that. Not that this was set up in any of the early issues, and it kinda' leaves you wondering what Ivar's purpose is in contrast. Under-achiever.

Anyhow, Rockland Tate gets murdered and, in a really really inferior Magnus story, The Earth sets things into motion so Aram becomes the Eternal Geomancer. No idea where his story goes from there, except that I know this is the major theme of Eternal Warrior: Fists and Steal.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:18 am

I'll probably pick up the book out of curiousity at some point. The covers look great (looked at this sites cover gallery) but Rags is only credited with the first half of the series

. Was this correct and was the fill-in (replacement?) artist(s) any good? (I know the three or four monthes before Accliam took over, nearly every Valiant comic I looked through had terrible art, which I always suspected was to make the new guys they were bringing in look better)

One thing about Geomancer though: The subtitle says "Guardian of Earth". Shouldn't it be "Guardian of the Earth"? I mean, the dude's not supposed to guard a mound of dirt is he?

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:23 am

shaxper wrote:
MiamiLoco wrote:
Oh man, dont even go the Eternal Geomancer route.
oh no, now you have to talk about this "Eternal Geomancer" what's that all about??!!
Aram (Armstrong) was apparently always destined to be the Eternal Geomancer, the Geomancer who wouldn't die, while Gilad was destined to be the Fists and Steal of the Earth, or something like that. Not that this was set up in any of the early issues, and it kinda' leaves you wondering what Ivar's purpose is in contrast. Under-achiever.

Anyhow, Rockland Tate gets murdered and, in a really really inferior Magnus story, The Earth sets things into motion so Aram becomes the Eternal Geomancer. No idea where his story goes from there, except that I know this is the major theme of Eternal Warrior: Fists and Steal.

You mean that was an actual VH-1 concept? I thought that was just a bad VH-2 revamp idea. I'm glad I try to ignore all the VH-1 Acclaim stuff as much as I can.

shaxper · Post by **shaxper** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:20 am

That storyline happened just as Valiant was transitioning into Acclaim. Pre-Birthquake.

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:05 pm

shaxper wrote:
MiamiLoco wrote:
Oh man, dont even go the Eternal Geomancer route.
oh no, now you have to talk about this "Eternal Geomancer" what's that all about??!!
Aram (Armstrong) was apparently always destined to be the Eternal Geomancer, the Geomancer who wouldn't die, while Gilad was destined to be the Fists and Steal of the Earth, or something like that. Not that this was set up in any of the early issues, and it kinda' leaves you wondering what Ivar's purpose is in contrast. Under-achiever.

Anyhow, Rockland Tate gets murdered and, in a really really inferior Magnus story, The Earth sets things into motion so Aram becomes the Eternal Geomancer. No idea where his story goes from there, except that I know this is the major theme of Eternal Warrior: Fists and Steal.

MY EYES...MY EYES...I wanted to completely forget those issues of magnus

...anyway...I actually liked Geomancer at least it was coherent

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:11 pm

i really liked the eternal geomancer IDEA, no matter how bad the issues were. i think it woulda been cool to have some issues where gilad and aram hadda put their differences aside(or not) and work together.

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:24 pm

speaking of which, I am missing some of those Magnuses when they actually find Aram, but did they ever find Gilad? He went into space during the Malev War and never returned... what happened to him?

-Dave

shaxper · Post by **shaxper** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:59 pm

In some issue of Magnus or Rai during the Malev war, Magnus says that Gilad and Rockland Tate came back, but would not talk about the situation on the moon. I always presumed this was building toward a plotline that never occured. Also, didn't Leeja or someone make a desperate break for North Am while fleeing the Malevs, calling for Gilad to aid her? That never went anywhere either. Seems like something else was planned for Gilad and it got canned at the last minute.