Post Resurgence

[ManofTheAtom]

At the end of Resurgence, the VEI iterations of the VALIANT characters became lost in the multiverse.

Most are in the Underdeadside, some are still in the VEI reality, and Aram and Faith appear to be lost in the bridge between them.

What if Faith and Aram end up finding their way to the VH-1 and VH-2 realities?

Could there be a "Faith of Two Worlds" or "Faith of Three Worlds" comic down the line someday maybe?

While I don't care for multiverses, it would be curious to see the original and new Faiths meet.

The Arams would likely just go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.

[syzhang28]

At the end of Resurgence, the VEI iterations of the VALIANT characters became lost in the multiverse.

Most are in the Underdeadside, some are still in the VEI reality, and Aram and Faith appear to be lost in the bridge between them.

What if Faith and Aram end up finding their way to the VH-1 and VH-2 realities?

Could there be a "Faith of Two Worlds" or "Faith of Three Worlds" comic down the line someday maybe?

While I don't care for multiverses, it would be curious to see the original and new Faiths meet.

The Arams would likely just go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.

The story was so bad. Such cheap writing. We're living Acclaim all over again. Feels so Unity 2k

[ManofTheAtom]

One interesting aspect of a meeting between the three Faiths (VH-1, VH-2, and VH-3) would be that the first one would be the eldest of the group, having been born in the '70s (the second one would be only slightly younger, having been born in 1981), and also have had more experience as a member of the Harbinger resistance and, in 2025, a leader in Archer's peace movement.

Unlike VH-1 and VEI Faith the VH-2 version didn't seem to be all that into comics and pop culture, so that would add another layer to their interaction.

[Ryan]

At the end of Resurgence, the VEI iterations of the VALIANT characters became lost in the multiverse.

Most are in the Underdeadside, some are still in the VEI reality, and Aram and Faith appear to be lost in the bridge between them.

What if Faith and Aram end up finding their way to the VH-1 and VH-2 realities?

Could there be a "Faith of Two Worlds" or "Faith of Three Worlds" comic down the line someday maybe?

While I don't care for multiverses, it would be curious to see the original and new Faiths meet.

The Arams would likely just go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.

You're the one who didn't want DC-Lite?

Faith seems a lot like Jubilee to me, great as a supporting character but very limited potential as a main character.

Post-Resurgence I think forgetting all about Resurgence and multiverse shenanigans would be the best idea. Just tell great stories with the best versions of the characters. No more events, no more over-hype. Go back to the basics.

[ManofTheAtom]

At the end of Resurgence, the VEI iterations of the VALIANT characters became lost in the multiverse.

Most are in the Underdeadside, some are still in the VEI reality, and Aram and Faith appear to be lost in the bridge between them.

What if Faith and Aram end up finding their way to the VH-1 and VH-2 realities?

Could there be a "Faith of Two Worlds" or "Faith of Three Worlds" comic down the line someday maybe?

While I don't care for multiverses, it would be curious to see the original and new Faiths meet.

The Arams would likely just go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.

You're the one who didn't want DC-Lite?

Faith seems a lot like Jubilee to me, great as a supporting character but very limited potential as a main character.

Post-Resurgence I think forgetting all about Resurgence and multiverse shenanigans would be the best idea. Just tell great stories with the best versions of the characters. No more events, no more over-hype. Go back to the basics.

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

[syzhang28]

One interesting aspect of a meeting between the three Faiths (VH-1, VH-2, and VH-3) would be that the first one would be the eldest of the group, having been born in the '70s (the second one would be only slightly younger, having been born in 1981), and also have had more experience as a member of the Harbinger resistance and, in 2025, a leader in Archer's peace movement.

Unlike VH-1 and VEI Faith the VH-2 version didn't seem to be all that into comics and pop culture, so that would add another layer to their interaction.

This sounds like your describing the virtue of the thing you've been arguing for years would be the death rattle

[ManofTheAtom]

One interesting aspect of a meeting between the three Faiths (VH-1, VH-2, and VH-3) would be that the first one would be the eldest of the group, having been born in the '70s (the second one would be only slightly younger, having been born in 1981), and also have had more experience as a member of the Harbinger resistance and, in 2025, a leader in Archer's peace movement.

Unlike VH-1 and VEI Faith the VH-2 version didn't seem to be all that into comics and pop culture, so that would add another layer to their interaction.

This sounds like your describing the virtue of the thing you've been arguing for years would be the death rattle

The point here is that if such a meeting were to take place it should be done in a style that is consistent with VALIANT (meaning the original version) and not lame like DC's style.

[Ryan]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

[ManofTheAtom]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

As I've said before, any return to VH-1 should respect the passage of time as well as the events of Rai #0, so no Jack, no Archer, and Faith would be close to her 50s.

That could work for a The End-type event that closes that universe for good, but, in the long run now, the VEI version should be the ones they should focus on.

To be fair, Alien has compared the Beyond versions to Marvel's Ultimate and DC's Absolute lines. They've never said they're replacing the current VEI main versions.

[ManofTheAtom]

Narratively, the most viable version of a VH-1 revival would be one that begins in 1996 and continues on from there.

Sort of like how the Newsroom and The Morning Show were and are a few years behind the present. Or like Stranger Things, which is set 40 years ago.

[Ryan]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

As I've said before, any return to VH-1 should respect the passage of time as well as the events of Rai #0, so no Jack, no Archer, and Faith would be close to her 50s.

That could work for a The End-type event that closes that universe for good, but, in the long run now, the VEI version should be the ones they should focus on.

To be fair, Alien has compared the Beyond versions to Marvel's Ultimate and DC's Absolute lines. They've never said they're replacing the current VEI main versions.

I didn't say bring back Vh1. Read more carefully

[ManofTheAtom]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

As I've said before, any return to VH-1 should respect the passage of time as well as the events of Rai #0, so no Jack, no Archer, and Faith would be close to her 50s.

That could work for a The End-type event that closes that universe for good, but, in the long run now, the VEI version should be the ones they should focus on.

To be fair, Alien has compared the Beyond versions to Marvel's Ultimate and DC's Absolute lines. They've never said they're replacing the current VEI main versions.

I didn't say bring back Vh1. Read more carefully

How do you know the Beyond versions are not Aric, Angelo, and Jack? Also, Angelo = VH-1.

[ManofTheAtom]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

[syzhang28]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

[ManofTheAtom]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

[leonmallett]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

[leonmallett]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

The further we get from the 90s, the less grounded the 'mafia hitman' angle is IMHO.

The Mortalli as a personality overlay can work but arguably not as the source since there are literally so many better options (soldiers, spies etc.).

[ManofTheAtom]

Unfortunately the multiverse is here to stay. All we can hope for is that someday they re-interpret it in a way that fits VALIANT canon, then undo it.

That's the thing about fiction being all made-up though, it can just as easily be un-made-up. Or just like 'Beyond' is ignoring all previous continuity, new comics can just be made ignoring Resurgence, DMG, etc etc.

I think Beyond is using the right characters though. X-O, BS, and SM should be the 3 flagships. They're just using the wrong versions. It should be the original Aric, Angelo Mortalli Bloodshot, and Creole Jack Boniface SM.

Just like Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man always eventually come back to the Kent, Wayne, and Parker versions, Valiant should build their universe around the original fan-beloved versions of their best characters. No one wants to read about Cyborg Superman in the long run. Bring back the OGs.

The further we get from the 90s, the less grounded the 'mafia hitman' angle is IMHO.

The Mortalli as a personality overlay can work but arguably not as the source since there are literally so many better options (soldiers, spies etc.).

I'd consider the alternative; start with an average man (such as a hitman) and then overlay the personalities of soldiers (like Garrison), spies, and the like into his mind, causing him to forget which one of them is the real one.

Hitmen can be considered disposable, whereas soldiers, spies (in particular), and the like are not.

For instance, a hitman would be considered less valuable than an Ethan Hunt and a James Bond, whose identities can be copied and overlaid over the mind of a hitman to give him their skills and abilities.