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Re: Bloodshot '99 Concept Pitch

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This is something members of the board should have done when VEI licensed the characters to Kindle Worlds.

A 12-issue, 48-page VALIANT '99 series that tells the final story of the VH-1 continuity.

Each issue focuses on two characters, either on their own or together a la Marvel Team-Up.

The main plot centers around the 99 Event in which Jack Boniface dies riding the world of the Darque Power, which plays out in the final issue.

In addition to setting the stage for the event, each issue picks up the plot threads from the final issue of each series, revealing how each character survived their seeming demise, like in the case of Bloodshot, of what they've been up to since their series concluded, like Ninjak and Eternal Warrior.

It's a The End-type deal, with a Rai #0-type epilogue that, one, reprints the original Rai #0, and also says what happened to the other characters that debuted after its original publication, like Ninjak and Clay McHenry, in the two thousand years between the '99 event and 4001.
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Re: Bloodshot '99 Concept Pitch

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ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:56 pm This is something members of the board should have done when VEI licensed the characters to Kindle Worlds.

A 12-issue, 48-page VALIANT '99 series that tells the final story of the VH-1 continuity.

Each issue focuses on two characters, either on their own or together a la Marvel Team-Up.

The main plot centers around the 99 Event in which Jack Boniface dies riding the world of the Darque Power, which plays out in the final issue.

In addition to setting the stage for the event, each issue picks up the plot threads from the final issue of each series, revealing how each character survived their seeming demise, like in the case of Bloodshot, of what they've been up to since their series concluded, like Ninjak and Eternal Warrior.

It's a The End-type deal, with a Rai #0-type epilogue that, one, reprints the original Rai #0, and also says what happened to the other characters that debuted after its original publication, like Ninjak and Clay McHenry, in the two thousand years between the '99 event and 4001.
That's cool, it's a different proposal than what I'm saying, but I'm glad it sparked your imagination.

48 pages is nice, but it would totally change the budget. My proposal would slot in exactly the same budget parameters as the Valiant Beyond books.

I like the idea of having one main character whose eyes we see all the events through. Stories like U2K and Resurgence suffer from not having a strong protagonist or perspective IMO.

I'm not nearly as interested in tying up all the continuity glitches and loose ends as you are, but hey pencil and paper are cheap, feel free to make your version of Vh1's continuation.

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Ryan wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:22 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:56 pm This is something members of the board should have done when VEI licensed the characters to Kindle Worlds.

A 12-issue, 48-page VALIANT '99 series that tells the final story of the VH-1 continuity.

Each issue focuses on two characters, either on their own or together a la Marvel Team-Up.

The main plot centers around the 99 Event in which Jack Boniface dies riding the world of the Darque Power, which plays out in the final issue.

In addition to setting the stage for the event, each issue picks up the plot threads from the final issue of each series, revealing how each character survived their seeming demise, like in the case of Bloodshot, of what they've been up to since their series concluded, like Ninjak and Eternal Warrior.

It's a The End-type deal, with a Rai #0-type epilogue that, one, reprints the original Rai #0, and also says what happened to the other characters that debuted after its original publication, like Ninjak and Clay McHenry, in the two thousand years between the '99 event and 4001.
That's cool, it's a different proposal than what I'm saying, but I'm glad it sparked your imagination.

48 pages is nice, but it would totally change the budget. My proposal would slot in exactly the same budget parameters as the Valiant Beyond books.

I like the idea of having one main character whose eyes we see all the events through. Stories like U2K and Resurgence suffer from not having a strong protagonist or perspective IMO.

I'm not nearly as interested in tying up all the continuity glitches and loose ends as you are, but hey pencil and paper are cheap, feel free to make your version of Vh1's continuation.
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Re: Bloodshot '99 Concept Pitch

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ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:40 pm :thumb:
One could argue that if one character has to be the star of the book, it should be Shadowman. He's the one who dies at the end and his villain is supposedly the main antagonist.

I don't disagree with that. But there are more considerations than just what the story should be. If this is the one shot that VH1 has to shine, I would want to do everything possible to make it as big a hit as possible, get as many people as possible to check out Valiant again.

I think Bloodshot would be the most marketable of the OG characters at this point. I think he would have the best chance to capture the attention of the more casual fans of 90s comics and the general 90s nostalgia audience. Meaning not just the hardcore Vh1 fans.

That's only based on my own feeling, no one knows exactly how the market would receive it. But I do think marketability and practicality have to be concerns with this idea.

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Ryan wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:54 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:40 pm :thumb:
One could argue that if one character has to be the star of the book, it should be Shadowman. He's the one who dies at the end and his villain is supposedly the main antagonist.

I don't disagree with that. But there are more considerations than just what the story should be. If this is the one shot that VH1 has to shine, I would want to do everything possible to make it as big a hit as possible, get as many people as possible to check out Valiant again.

I think Bloodshot would be the most marketable of the OG characters at this point. I think he would have the best chance to capture the attention of the more casual fans of 90s comics and the general 90s nostalgia audience. Meaning not just the hardcore Vh1 fans.

That's only based on my own feeling, no one knows exactly how the market would receive it. But I do think marketability and practicality have to be concerns with this idea.
Absolutely Shadowman.

After Jack jumps off the roof, Ivar catches him and takes him inside a time arc.

Even though normal people cannot survive traveling through an arc, Jack has, one, the Darque power to help him heal, and, two, has traveled through time before.

Ivar and Jack go on a single-issue adventure through time that takes them to 1999. Jack essentially jumps ahead in time.

See, the first issue just wrote itself.
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Starting with Jack and Ivar allows for the series to leap forward in years, landing at specific times between 1996 and 1999 that spotlight the individual characters in the series leading up to the '99 event in which Jack dies.

It's essentially a three-way team up between Jack, Ivar, and the third VALIANT hero each issue spotlights.
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Re: Bloodshot '99 Concept Pitch

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ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:03 pm Absolutely Shadowman.

After Jack jumps off the roof, Ivar catches him and takes him inside a time arc.

Even though normal people cannot survive traveling through an arc, Jack has, one, the Darque power to help him heal, and, two, has traveled through time before.

Ivar and Jack go on a single-issue adventure through time that takes them to 1999. Jack essentially jumps ahead in time.

See, the first issue just wrote itself.
For sure, there's a million ways to do it. But there needs to be consideration for the marketability of the comic outside of the hardcore fanbase.

It seems like too much of a cop out and too comic booky to have him saved by Ivar.

I would have it be Sandria Darque from the crowd who throws her levitation powers to cushion his fall enough that he doesn't die, but he still breaks a lot of bones and has to recover for months. In that time, Sandria introduces a new Shadowman under her control, Michael LeRoi.
ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:35 pm Starting with Jack and Ivar allows for the series to leap forward in years, landing at specific times between 1996 and 1999 that spotlight the individual characters in the series leading up to the '99 event in which Jack dies.

It's essentially a three-way team up between Jack, Ivar, and the third VALIANT hero each issue spotlights.
Too much time travel is too comic booky for me. One goal would be to ground the stories more, meaning less emphasis on things like casual time travel.

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Ryan wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 6:18 pm
ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:03 pm Absolutely Shadowman.

After Jack jumps off the roof, Ivar catches him and takes him inside a time arc.

Even though normal people cannot survive traveling through an arc, Jack has, one, the Darque power to help him heal, and, two, has traveled through time before.

Ivar and Jack go on a single-issue adventure through time that takes them to 1999. Jack essentially jumps ahead in time.

See, the first issue just wrote itself.
For sure, there's a million ways to do it. But there needs to be consideration for the marketability of the comic outside of the hardcore fanbase.

It seems like too much of a cop out and too comic booky to have him saved by Ivar.

I would have it be Sandria Darque from the crowd who throws her levitation powers to cushion his fall enough that he doesn't die, but he still breaks a lot of bones and has to recover for months. In that time, Sandria introduces a new Shadowman under her control, Michael LeRoi.
ManofTheAtom wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 4:35 pm Starting with Jack and Ivar allows for the series to leap forward in years, landing at specific times between 1996 and 1999 that spotlight the individual characters in the series leading up to the '99 event in which Jack dies.

It's essentially a three-way team up between Jack, Ivar, and the third VALIANT hero each issue spotlights.
Too much time travel is too comic booky for me. One goal would be to ground the stories more, meaning less emphasis on things like casual time travel.
Ah, but the time travel allows for the story to move forward beyond a stationary moment in time.

I wish I could commission an artist to draw an homage of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure with Ivar and Jack, lol.
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