Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[Chiclo]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

[ManofTheAtom]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

In what way would reading the comics clarify whether or not Alien and DMG are different companies?

Again, wasting time arguing something that in no way, shape, or form should be argued yet we're still discussing for some irrational reason.

DMG and Alien are owned by two different people and were created in two different countries at two different times. Yet people here continue to insist that they are the same. It's insane.

Anything else is an entirely different discussion from whether or not these two separate companies are the same. Until people accept that they are, we cannot move on to other topics.

The only reason people have to argue that they are the same is because Alien hired people that worked at VALIANT and continued the same continuity that started with VEI and continued with DMG.

That doesn't make them the same company, and it doesn't make Alien responsible for DMG's *SQUEE* ups.

[Chiclo]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

In what way would reading the comics clarify whether or not Alien and DMG are different companies?

That's a good point, you haven't read the DMG books either.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

In what way would reading the comics clarify whether or not Alien and DMG are different companies?

That's a good point, you haven't read the DMG books either.

Nothing in either of their books says that DMG and Alien are the same company.

[Chiclo]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

In what way would reading the comics clarify whether or not Alien and DMG are different companies?

That's a good point, you haven't read the DMG books either.

Nothing in either of their books says that DMG and Alien are the same company.

Citation needed! You are making claims about books you never read! Alien published several books that were created and compiled before the DMG license! But at least Alien got that kerfuffle with the kickstarter cleared up!

[Ryan]

No, they're not. Alien and DMG are not tied together by anything else other than Alien licensed the VALIANT characters from DMG. That they hired the staff DMG let go does not mean they are connected.

If you want to keep arguing that Alien and DMG are the same you'll have to provide proof to back up that claim.

My only proof is reading the comics and applying common sense. There, now you can get back to 'discussing the comics' that you've never read.

Where in the comics does it say that Alien and DMG are the same company?

Since you seem to be having trouble with language comprehension, "they are not completely separate entities" means that they have a more significant relationship than just 'licensee and licensor'. It does not mean "they are the same company". No one has said that, no one thinks that.

But I know you're not interested in having a logical discussion. You're just going to intentionally misinterpret people so that you can make your point. *yawn*

They are completely separate entities. Alien publishes comics other than ones using IP they licensed from DMG in which DMG has no involvement or credit.

No one has ever or will ever say that IDW and Paramount are linked entities because the former publishes comics based on the latter's IP. It would be an irrational claim to make about them just like it is to make about Alien and DMG.

Do you think DMG pays Alien's taxes or that Alien pays DMG's taxes? Do you think DMG pays Alien's overhead? Do they pay for their employees' salaries?

Of course not, because they are two entirely separate companies, and are not linked in any way other than one licenses the other's IP, nothing more.

Anything else is an entirely separate discussion than whether or not they are the same company, which they're not.

They're not the same company. No one said that. (again)

I'm just a fan, not an insider, I have no knowledge of how they run their businesses. Nor do I care.

I'm speaking as a reader, the DMG Valiant era (2018-2022) is not completely separate from the Alien Valiant era, as was originally thought.

It's obvious, since the EiC at Alien, the one who is the main driving force behind the comics, is someone who has been on staff since DMG began and has been a Senior Editor for over 4 years, that there is a significant relationship/overlap/similarity between the DMG era comics and the Alien era comics.

That's all I'm saying. From reading the comics, they're very similar, there is not a super significant difference. Feel free to read the comics yourself and draw your own conclusions.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's the indicia from two comics published by Alien that are not part of the VALIANT Universe.

There is no mention whatsoever of DMG on them. Hawkins and Ward work at Alien now, not DMG.

Wouldn't it be easier just to read the VAlient books than to go through all that to post a couple of indicas?

In what way would reading the comics clarify whether or not Alien and DMG are different companies?

That's a good point, you haven't read the DMG books either.

Nothing in either of their books says that DMG and Alien are the same company.

Citation needed! You are making claims about books you never read! Alien published several books that were created and compiled before the DMG license! But at least Alien got that kerfuffle with the kickstarter cleared up!

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

[ManofTheAtom]

They're not the same company. No one said that. (again)

Yes, they did. I already showed you.

I'm just a fan, not an insider, I have no knowledge of how they run their businesses. Nor do I care.

I'm speaking as a reader, the DMG Valiant era (2018-2022) is not completely separate from the Alien Valiant era, as was originally thought.

That's FICTION, which has nothing to do with the argument that they are the same company. It is an entirely SEPARATE discussion.

Until we conclude the argument that they are the same company we cannot move on to discuss anything else.

It's obvious, since the EiC at Alien, the one who is the main driving force behind the comics, is someone who has been on staff since DMG began and has been a Senior Editor for over 4 years, that there is a significant relationship/overlap/similarity between the DMG era comics and the Alien era comics.

Again, you're bringing up Alien continuing the narrative threads from where DMG left off, which does not mean that Alien and DMG are the same company.

IDW continued narrative threads from the GI Joe comic by Hama from the Marvel series. That does not mean that IDW and Marvel are the same company.

That's all I'm saying. From reading the comics, they're very similar, there is not a super significant difference. Feel free to read the comics yourself and draw your own conclusions.

That is an entirely SEPARATE discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company.

[Ryan]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

[ManofTheAtom]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

Yes, they are.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read?

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm discussing Alien and DMG being independent companies from one another while you're discussing fictional canon.

[Ryan]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

Yes, they are.

Not one quote that says DMG and Alien are the same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

Yes, they are.

Not one quote that says DMG and Alien are the same company.

Read it again.

I said that they are not the same company and was essentially accused of being insane for thinking that.

[ManofTheAtom]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

Yes, they are.

Not one quote that says DMG and Alien are the same company.

All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane.

[Ryan]

I'm discussing Alien and DMG being independent companies from one another while you're discussing fictional canon.

I'm discussing the DMG/Alien comic books as a reader. Are they different and how. Not only the stories themselves, but the quality of them.

I have no special knowledge of how they run their businesses. I can only speculate as a reader of comic books.

[Ryan]

That doesn't mean that Alien and DMG are the same company, which is what other people here keep arguing.

No one's arguing that.

Yes, they are.

Not one quote that says DMG and Alien are the same company.

Read it again.

I said that they are not the same company and was essentially accused of being insane for thinking that.

One quote that says 'they are the same company'.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm discussing Alien and DMG being independent companies from one another while you're discussing fictional canon.

I'm discussing the DMG/Alien comic books as a reader. Are they different and how. Not only the stories themselves, but the quality of them.

I have no special knowledge of how they run their businesses. I can only speculate as a reader of comic books.

We're not discussing that topic yet. We're still arguing whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company, which you keep insisting they are.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

[ManofTheAtom]

The argument you're trying to make is that the comics Alien publishes continue the narrative threads from the DMG era, which is an entirely separate discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and, consequently, that makes Alien responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that happened at DMG before they licensed the VALIANT characters from them.

[Ryan]

I'm discussing Alien and DMG being independent companies from one another while you're discussing fictional canon.

I'm discussing the DMG/Alien comic books as a reader. Are they different and how. Not only the stories themselves, but the quality of them.

I have no special knowledge of how they run their businesses. I can only speculate as a reader of comic books.

We're not discussing that topic yet. We're still arguing whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company, which you keep insisting they are.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

They aren't the same company. But, as a reader who reads the comics, they aren't completely separate entities. I'm not having a business discussion.

Just like I wouldn't call the IDW GI Joe: ARAH and the Marvel GI Joe 'completely separate entities' because they share things like the same head writer, continuity, type of story, etc. That doesn't mean I think IDW and Marvel are the same company. Logic and common sense.

[Ryan]

The argument you're trying to make is that the comics Alien publishes continue the narrative threads from the DMG era, which is an entirely separate discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and, consequently, that makes Alien responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that happened at DMG before they licensed the VALIANT characters from them.

Have whatever argument you want, but how about reading a single comic book from DMG or Alien first? 5 minutes on the crapper, that's all you need, you can't tell me you don't have that.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm discussing Alien and DMG being independent companies from one another while you're discussing fictional canon.

I'm discussing the DMG/Alien comic books as a reader. Are they different and how. Not only the stories themselves, but the quality of them.

I have no special knowledge of how they run their businesses. I can only speculate as a reader of comic books.

We're not discussing that topic yet. We're still arguing whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company, which you keep insisting they are.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

They aren't the same company. But, as a reader who reads the comics, they aren't completely separate entities. I'm not having a business discussion.

Just like I wouldn't call the IDW GI Joe: ARAH and the Marvel GI Joe 'completely separate entities' because they share things like the same head writer, continuity, type of story, etc. That doesn't mean I think IDW and Marvel are the same company. Logic and common sense.

You almost had it.

You keep conflating Alien's VALIANT comics continuing the narrative threads begun at DMG with Alien and DMG being the same company.

They're not. Alien is not responsible for the bad business decisions DMG made, such as how they *SQUEE* up the Kickstarter, yet for months prior to the launch of Alien's VALIANT comics people here kept blaming them for it.

[ManofTheAtom]

The argument you're trying to make is that the comics Alien publishes continue the narrative threads from the DMG era, which is an entirely separate discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and, consequently, that makes Alien responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that happened at DMG before they licensed the VALIANT characters from them.

Have whatever argument you want, but how about reading a single comic book from DMG or Alien first? 5 minutes on the crapper, that's all you need, you can't tell me you don't have that.

Eventually, in my own time, I'll read them.

What happens in the stories is not relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and whether or not Alien deserves to be blamed for the *SQUEE* ups DMG made before Alien published their comics.

[Ryan]

The argument you're trying to make is that the comics Alien publishes continue the narrative threads from the DMG era, which is an entirely separate discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and, consequently, that makes Alien responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that happened at DMG before they licensed the VALIANT characters from them.

Have whatever argument you want, but how about reading a single comic book from DMG or Alien first? 5 minutes on the crapper, that's all you need, you can't tell me you don't have that.

Eventually, in my own time, I'll read them.

What happens in the stories is not relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and whether or not Alien deserves to be blamed for the *SQUEE* ups DMG made before Alien published their comics.

Read them or not, no one cares. Just stop making fantasy narratives about what they are *without having read them*.

[ManofTheAtom]

The argument you're trying to make is that the comics Alien publishes continue the narrative threads from the DMG era, which is an entirely separate discussion from whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and, consequently, that makes Alien responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that happened at DMG before they licensed the VALIANT characters from them.

Have whatever argument you want, but how about reading a single comic book from DMG or Alien first? 5 minutes on the crapper, that's all you need, you can't tell me you don't have that.

Eventually, in my own time, I'll read them.

What happens in the stories is not relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and whether or not Alien deserves to be blamed for the *SQUEE* ups DMG made before Alien published their comics.

Read them or not, no one cares. Just stop making fantasy narratives about what they are *without having read them*.

Reading them won't change the fact that Alien is not the same as DMG and, therefore, not responsible for the *SQUEE* ups that took place before they acquired the license to publish VALIANT comics.

[ManofTheAtom]

You keep making it sound as if because a VALIANT comic Alien publishes continues narrative threads from a VALIANT comic DMG published that is the same as DMG and Alien being inextricably linked on the corporate level and making Alien responsible for decisions that took place before they acquired the license to publish VALIANT comics.