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DBS's 100% CONFIRMED "Rare" Print Run Info

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The following print runs have been 100% CONFIRMED by Dinesh, Valiant staff/employees, or in some cases the individual who funded/coordinate actual production/distribution.

This list will be updated as time progresses and NEW info becomes available.
NOTE: As a matter of policy, Valiant Entertainment does not share print run information. In some cases, we have EXACT numbers, while in other cases, we have approximate/estimated numbers. For example, Dinesh CONFIRMED that 200 copies of Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) were printed, and data/math would indicate that Ninja-K #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) (for example) SHOULD have <200 printed copies. Subsequent conversations with Valiant employees revealed that (as of 30 JUN 20) no Brushed Metal had more than 180 copies printed. SO, while the exact number is a unknown, we can say in with VERY STRONG confidence that 180-200 copies is where that number actually is.
NOTE: While these are the CONFIRMED numbers of printed copies, it is important to understand that the actual number of copies in circulation is likely less than the print run.

Retailers might have qualified for example, 250 copies of a book with a CONFIRMED print run of 500 copies. The EXTRA copies would have been used to cover damages, given as compensation books to artists/partners, and the remaining books would be stored until destroyed.

Bottom line: the actual quantity in circulation of a given book will be LESS than the CONFIRMED print run.
I will continue to seek reliable information and share it here.

Normal Variants and/or Issues
180-200 copies - Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250)
180-200 copies - Ninja-K #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250)
180-200 copies - Shadowman (2017) #1 (Zonjic Brushed Metal Glow-In-The-Dark 1:250)
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180-200 copies - Harbinger Wars II #1 (LaRosa Brushed Metal 1:250)
NOTE 1: Dinesh CONFIRMED that 200 copies of Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) were printed, and data/math would indicate that Ninja-K #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) (for example) SHOULD have <200 printed copies. Subsequent conversations with Valiant employees revealed that (as of 30 JUN 20) no Brushed Metal had more than 180 copies printed. SO, while the exact number is a unknown, we can say in with VERY STRONG confidence that 180-200 copies is where that number actually is.
180-200 copies - Life and Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Braithwaite Glass Mirror 1:250)
180-200 copies - Livewire #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)Image


180-200 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)
180-200 copies - Fallen World #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)
180-200 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Meyers Carbon Fiber 1:250)
NOTE 1: The information obtained from sources within Valiant confirmed that the Glass and Carbon Fiber 1:250 variants were in the "SAME BALLPARK" as the Brushed Metal 1:250 variants, which means that NO MORE than 180-200 copies were printed/distributed. The actual quantity is likely lower for some; but the conservative "best estimate" is the 180-200 copy range.
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250 copies - Harbinger #25 (Kitson 1:50)
275 copies - Rapture #4 (Suayan 1:50)
275 copies - Savage #4 (LaRosa 1:50)
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300 copies - Savage #1 (LaRosa 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Savage
325 copies - Imperium #11 (Walsh 1:20)
330 copies - Imperium #3 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of LV-99 (Lord Vine)
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350 copies - Divinity #1 (LaRosa 1:40) - 1st Appearance of Abram Adams (Divinity)
350 copies - Savage #2 (LaRosa 1:50)
350 copies - Imperium #1 (Braithwaite 1:40) - 1st Appearance of Sunlight on Snow (Mech Major)
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350 copies - Imperium #2 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Angela Peace Baingana; Gravedog
350 copies - Imperium #12 (Palo 1:20)
350 copies - Imperium #13 (Ryp 1:20)
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350 copies - Imperium #14 (Ryp 1:20)
350 copies - Imperium #15 (Doyle 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #5 (Grace 1:20)
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400 copies - Imperium #6 (Kano 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #7 (Tan 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #10 (De La Torre 1:20)
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400 copies - Imperium #16 (Montoya 1:20)
400 copies - Shadowman #13 (Davis 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Punk Mambo
400 copies - Eternal Warrior #5 (Mack 1:50) - 1st (Modern) Appearance of the world of 4001 A.D.
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400 copies - X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50) - 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw
400 copies - Wrath of Eternal Warrior #4 (Lafuente 1:50)
425 copies - Imperium #4 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Interdimensional Angela vessel
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425 copies - Imperium #9 (Ryp 1:20)
450 copies - Imperium #8 (Henry 1:20)
450 copies - Savage #3 (LaRosa 1:50)
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450 copies - Britannia #3 (Johnson 1:50)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #14 (Giorello 1:50 B&W Sketch Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #10 (Lemire 1:100 Line Variant)
NOTE: Bloodshot Reborn #14 (Giorello 1:50 B&W Sketch Variant) had approx. 200 copies that retailers qualified for. Diamond requested 350 copies anticipating re-orders, damages, etc., and Valiant printed 500 anticipating the same. However, Dinesh confirmed that the excess copies were destroyed, so the real number is below 500 copies.

500 copies - Harbinger Wars #3 (Zircher 1:50) - 1st (Modern) Appearance of H.A.R.D. Corps
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #14 (Robertson 1:20)
500 copies - Harbinger #8 (Lemire 1:125 Line Variant)
NOTE: Dinesh stated that retailers qualified/ordered 180 copies of the Harbinger #8 (Lemire 1:125 Line Variant). At the time, 1,000 copies were generally printed for variants like this; however, Dinesh believes that he made an exception to this policy/rule and 500 were printed. It is unknown if the additional copies were distributed to staff, artists, writers, partners, gifts, etc.

525 copies - 4001 A.D. #4 (Sook 1:100)
600 copies - Imperium #1 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Sunlight on Snow (Mech Major)
600 copies - Britannia #2 (Johnson 1:50)


600 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #14 (Lemire 1:120 Line Variant)
675 copies - A&A: Adventures of Archer & Armstrong #5 (Lafuente 1:50)
750 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #14 (Bodenheim 1:10 Interlocking Cover)


800 copies - Harbinger Wars #1 (Zircher 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Generation Zero (RIP :cry: )
2,000 copies - Harbinger #2 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Darpan
2,800 copies - Ninjak 2015 #1 (Sauvage cover D) - - 1st Appearance of Roku; 1 of 3 Covers released featuring the 1st appearance of Roku on the cover.
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Store and/or Convention Exclusives: 100 copies or LESS
3-10 known copies - Ninjak #0 (NYCC Unreleased Edition)
NOTE #1: Supposedly all copies of Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe #0 (NYCC Unreleased Edition) were destroyed. This clearly did NOT happen, as a FEW copies still exist and/or have been rarely made available on eBay.
NOTE #2: Greg owns four raw copies of this book. There are five graded copies in the census (four Universal and one Signature Series). This confirms at least NINE known copies.
50 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kitson Shazam Comics/NYCC 2019 B&W Virgin)
NOTE #1: 5 copies were given to the cover artist as “Comp” books. The remaining 45 copies are in circulation.
100 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kitson Shazam Comics/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
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100 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Livewire #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Psi-Lords #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Fallen World #1 (Salgado Shazam Comics & Toys Virgin)
100 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Parrillo Comics Elite/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
100 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kincaid Comics Elite/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
100 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kitson Shazam Comics/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
100 copies - 2015 FCBD Valiant 25th anniversary (Edwards Ultimate Comics Un-stickered version)
NOTE #1: The variant without an Ultimate Comic sticker on the front cover has 100 copies. The variant with the sticker has far more copies.
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Store and/or Convention Exclusives: 101-300 copies
150 Copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Massafera Comics To Astonish Virgin)
150 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Seeley Kowabunga comics "Seeing Red" version Virgin)
150 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Sayger Prideland Collectibles Virgin)
175 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Iron Maiden Homage B&W Sketch)
  • NOTE: Initially listed Limited to 100 copies; however, confirmed to have 175 copies (which is not a huge difference really)

200 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS B&W Sketch w/ Jae Lee ink)250 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Knowhere Exclusive Jen Bartel B&W Virgin)
200 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Johnson Metahumans COmics/LACC 2019 Virgin)
225 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Desjardins Bulletproof Comics Virgin)
250 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Twin City Comic Con Cat Variant)
NOTE #1: The “Cat Variant” was made available to deluxe ticket holders at the Twin City Comic Con in Winston Salem, NC (hosted by Ssalefish Comics).

NOTE #2: Following the 2019 Twin City Comic Con, 30 copies (of the 250 total print run) were made available for purchase on Monday, 08 APR 19 through a link posted on the Valiant Comic Fans group on Facebook. Bret Parks (Ssalefish Comics) confirmed that only 30 copies had been listed.
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Tucci Borderlands Comics B&W Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Dekal Groundbreaking Comics Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg COmic & Pop Con 2019 Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Haverland OASAS Comics/LACC 2019 Variant)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Haverland OASAS Comics/LACC 2019 Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Baron OASAS Comics variant/LACC 2019 Variant)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Baron OASAS comics Variant/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Corona Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 B&W Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Bosslogic Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Shah Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 Virigin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg Comic & POP Con Virgin)
300 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Seeley Kowabunga Comics Variant)
300 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS Virgin w/ Jae Lee ink & June Lee Colors)
300 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Las Vegas Variant/Pink Punk Cat Cover)
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Store and/or Convention Exclusives: 301-2,000 copies

350 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Baron Brave New World)
400 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Livewire #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Fallen World #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Psi-Lords #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Parrillo Comics Elite/NYCC 2019 Variant)
400 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kincaid Comics Elite/NYCC 2019 Variant)
400 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Johnson Metahumans COmics/LACC 2019 Variant)
400 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kitson Shazam Comics/NYCC 2019 Variant)
405 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Iron Maiden Homage Variant)
NOTE #1: Initially listed Limited to 300 copies; however, confirmed to have 405 copies (which is not a huge difference really)
500 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (BSI Comics)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #1 (Nord Ultimate Comics Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Hero's Vault Exclusive)
NOTE #1: This cover has a Red Circle in the middle of the cover with the store logo centered
500 copies - Bloodshot Rising Spirit #1 (Bulletproof Exclusive)
500 copies - Livewire #1 (Bulletproof Exclusive)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #1 (C2E2 Woodward Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg Comic & POP Con)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Kitson Exclusive)
500 copies - Harbinger Wars II #1 (Salgado Baltimore ComicCon)
500 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Adams South Carolina ComicCon Sketch)
500 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS w/ Jae Lee ink & June Lee Colors)
500 Copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Bedrock City Comics - Houston Pride Variant - Brent Peeples
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Tucci Borderlands Comics Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Desjardins Bulletproof Comics Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Massafera Comics To Astonish Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Dekal Groundbreaking Comics Variant)
500 Copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg COmic & Pop Con 2019 Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Lee OASAS comics Variant/LACC 2019 Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Lee OASAS comics Variant/NYCC 2019 B&W Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Corona Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Bosslogic Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Shah Planet Awesome Collectibles/NYCC 2019 Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Sayger Prideland Collectibles Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (SaiinaSix Space Cadets Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Murphy Brute Fitness Variant)
NOTE #1: This artist is not a professional, he was a monthly winner on the FaceBook page, *1st Fan to have a cover (non professional)*
550 copies - Fallen World #1 (Nerd Store/Wasatch ComicCon)
600 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Choi Frankie's Comics Variant)
650 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Choi Paradise / Wondercon)
NOTE #1: Ed Greenberg confirmed that approx. 100 copies of the total 650 printed copies were signed by writer Joshua Dysart (with a certificate of authenticity). This indicates that (at most) 550 unsigned copies exist in circulation.
700 copies - Doctor Tomorrow #3 (Monoko cvr B "Virgin" edition)
NOTE #1: This cover was available at https://frankiescomics.com/products/doc ... oko-virgin who CONFIRMED 700 copies. The book could be purchased Raw, Graded, or Signed and Graded!
NOTE #2: This cover should NOT be confused with Doctor Tomorrow #3 (Monoko cvr B), which has a UPC and Trade Dress on the cover.
750 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Knowhere Exclusive Jen Bartel)
750 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Adams South Carolina ComicCon)
1,000 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Mattina Midtown Comics/NYCC 2019 Variant)
2,000 copies - X-O Manowar #1 (2017) (LaRosa Virgin Humble Bundle) - Signed by LaRosa
NOTE #1: A small percentage of the 2,000 copies of X-O Manowar #1 (2017) (LaRosa Virgin Humble Bundle) were UNSIGNED; possibly 10 or less.
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SPECIAL BOOKS (Purposely created with 1 copy each)
1 copy - Bloodshot Salvation #12 (LaRosa Vin Diesel Variant)
1 copy - Quantum And Woody (2017) #1 (Second Print)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Hitch Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Jones Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Rivera Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Foreman Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Crain Golden Ticket)

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UPDATED 02 JUL 20 with the following info:

Normal Variants and/or Issues
180-200 copies - Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250)
180-200 copies - Ninja-K #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250)
180-200 copies - Shadowman (2017) #1 (Zonjic Brushed Metal Glow-In-The-Dark 1:250)
180-200 copies - Harbinger Wars II #1 (LaRosa Brushed Metal 1:250)
NOTE 1: Dinesh CONFIRMED that 200 copies of Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) were printed, and data/math would indicate that Ninja-K #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250) (for example) SHOULD have <200 printed copies. Subsequent conversations with Valiant employees revealed that (as of 30 JUN 20) no Brushed Metal had more than 180 copies printed. SO, while the exact number is a unknown, we can say in with VERY STRONG confidence that 180-200 copies is where that number actually is.
180-200 copies - Life and Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Braithwaite Glass Mirror 1:250)
180-200 copies - Livewire #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)
180-200 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)
180-200 copies - Fallen World #1 (Braithwaite Glass 1:250)
180-200 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Meyers Carbon Fiber 1:250
NOTE 1: The information obtained from sources within Valiant confirmed that the Glass and Carbon Fiber 1:250 variants were in the "SAME BALLPARK" as the Brushed Metal 1:250 variants, which means that NO MORE than 180-200 copies were printed/distributed. The actual quantity is likely lower for some; but the conservative "best estimate" is the 180-200 copy range.

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So after a week of phone calls and discussion, I have been told the following:

1. Comichron does NOT receive print run information from Diamond for many publisher (including Valiant); they receive ranked order based on reported sales, but NOT the actual sales numbers themselves. The numbers we see on Comichron are an "ESTIMATE" based on a formula/algorithm, and are often 4 - 15% LOWER than what the real numbers are (see also: WRONG). So a possible (yet still incorrect) rule of thumb (my opinion) would be to multiple Chomichron's listed print run for a given issue by +7%. YES, it is "wrong," but it is closer to "right" than we otherwise will have. It ALSO explains slightly higher confirmed variant print run numbers exist than what we initially expected/calculated.

2. Diamond's rankings/numbers include North America AND the UK.

3. The Quantum and Woody #1 (1:100 Fools Gold) is 100% RARE! I do not have print run information or data to verify this, but was told by a reliable source that it is indeed rare. (DBS NOTE: This makes sense when you think about it).

4. Valiant audits/tracks high-end incentive variants, and has reportedly "tightened up" the variant game from where it was a few years ago (anyone remember the CRAZY high supply of A&A #5 (B&W 1:50) which now sells for $5.99?). As a result, 1:50s and 1:100s released in the past 1-3 years SHOULD have less visible defects and a subsequent increased CGC/CBCS grading potential for collectors. If true, this would also indicate that the older 1:50s and 1:100s are potentially HARDER to find in 9.8 condition, so best of luck in your hunt for that Unity #5 (Suayan 1:100) you have always wanted.

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I'd add the X-O Manowar Humble Bundle "Unsigned" to your list. While we don't have a print run number on those, you can check CGC and see that there are two blue lable and two sig series (yellow label) that are out there.

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Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*

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Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:12:50 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*
Oh, I don't know. Keeping in mind how popular this series was and that it was one of the final series published by the old crew I was (and am still) thinking we might have a confirmed number somewhere and if not yet, then maybe it would be nice to get it confirmed.

The 1:100 isn't even listed in Magnus' TOP 1000 list while it is listing the 1:20 and 1:50. It doesn't make much sense.

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38:58 am
Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:12:50 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*
Oh, I don't know. Keeping in mind how popular this series was and that it was one of the final series published by the old crew I was (and am still) thinking we might have a confirmed number somewhere and if not yet, then maybe it would be nice to get it confirmed.

The 1:100 isn't even listed in Magnus' TOP 1000 list while it is listing the 1:20 and 1:50. It doesn't make much sense.
I can’t remember for sure, but I think the SS Secret Weapons 1:100 was a LW (linewide) variant. So, that means that there are probably way more printed than a regular 1:50 (and possibly 1:20) variant.

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Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:10:38 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38:58 am
Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:12:50 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*
Oh, I don't know. Keeping in mind how popular this series was and that it was one of the final series published by the old crew I was (and am still) thinking we might have a confirmed number somewhere and if not yet, then maybe it would be nice to get it confirmed.

The 1:100 isn't even listed in Magnus' TOP 1000 list while it is listing the 1:20 and 1:50. It doesn't make much sense.
I can’t remember for sure, but I think the SS Secret Weapons 1:100 was a LW (linewide) variant. So, that means that there are probably way more printed than a regular 1:50 (and possibly 1:20) variant.
Hmm, I don't think so. I didn't mark it as such on my side.

Here it says "the SECRET WEAPONS #1 VALIANT VALIDATED SIGNATURE SERIES edition will be strictly limited to the number of qualifying retailer orders. Contact your local retailer today to reserve your copy."

Meaning there aren't many of it and it's very HTF, too.

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Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:10:38 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38:58 am
Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:12:50 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*
Oh, I don't know. Keeping in mind how popular this series was and that it was one of the final series published by the old crew I was (and am still) thinking we might have a confirmed number somewhere and if not yet, then maybe it would be nice to get it confirmed.

The 1:100 isn't even listed in Magnus' TOP 1000 list while it is listing the 1:20 and 1:50. It doesn't make much sense.
I can’t remember for sure, but I think the SS Secret Weapons 1:100 was a LW (linewide) variant. So, that means that there are probably way more printed than a regular 1:50 (and possibly 1:20) variant.
The Linewide books are in the 1000 rarest incentive covers.

There is no 1:100 Secret Weapons incentive in my list of the 940 or incentive covers (nor does Greg have one listed in the price guide).

I am a bit confused about what ended up happening with this book as it was solicited as a 1:100 book and also as VEI’s first signature series book. Yet 34 ended up in CGC Signature series slabs (and 2 in qualified slabs) and a bunch in CGCS autographed slabs. There were also a few released that were not in slabs but still autographed (I have never seen a non-autographed copy).

Since I am not sure if it ended up being a regular incentive or how witnessed signatures were slabbed (as if it went out signed all graded copies would be qualified) so I left it off the regular incentive cover list and chose to think or it more like a gold/retailer/convention cover. I don’t know if it was a straight 1:100 incentive or if it ended up being distributed differently or in multiple ways.

I guess you could say my 1000 incentive covers is all non-autographed incentives :lol:

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I have one of the green labels for this SS comic book. This was a weird one.... they mailed you the signature book already signed and you could send to CGC to get certified with a yellow label within a certain amount of time (30 days? 60 days?). Anyway, there was a cut off date. So,CGC gave it a yellow “witnessed label” even though they didn’t actually witness the signature. I sent mine to CGC and just missed the deadline so I ended up with a green label. This comic does have a raised “seal” that was stamped into the cover.

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magnus20009 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:08:30 pm
Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:10:38 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:38:58 am
Juki wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:12:50 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:04:43 am
Great list! Already #Bookmarked

What about the Secret Weapons 1:100?

With less than 25k sold copies of SW #1 (First Printing), that incentive should be somewhere on your list, no?
If I am not mistaken, this list is only for known (confirmed) print runs. I think there are a lot of comics that “could” be on the list. But, until someone in the know says something.... then they don’t make this list.


See the other thread by magnus20009 for:
TOP 1000 RAREST VALIANT ACCORDING TO PREVIEWS/COMICHRON CALCULATION METHOD*
Oh, I don't know. Keeping in mind how popular this series was and that it was one of the final series published by the old crew I was (and am still) thinking we might have a confirmed number somewhere and if not yet, then maybe it would be nice to get it confirmed.

The 1:100 isn't even listed in Magnus' TOP 1000 list while it is listing the 1:20 and 1:50. It doesn't make much sense.
I can’t remember for sure, but I think the SS Secret Weapons 1:100 was a LW (linewide) variant. So, that means that there are probably way more printed than a regular 1:50 (and possibly 1:20) variant.
The Linewide books are in the 1000 rarest incentive covers.

There is no 1:100 Secret Weapons incentive in my list of the 940 or incentive covers (nor does Greg have one listed in the price guide).

I am a bit confused about what ended up happening with this book as it was solicited as a 1:100 book and also as VEI’s first signature series book. Yet 34 ended up in CGC Signature series slabs (and 2 in qualified slabs) and a bunch in CGCS autographed slabs. There were also a few released that were not in slabs but still autographed (I have never seen a non-autographed copy).

Since I am not sure if it ended up being a regular incentive or how witnessed signatures were slabbed (as if it went out signed all graded copies would be qualified) so I left it off the regular incentive cover list and chose to think or it more like a gold/retailer/convention cover. I don’t know if it was a straight 1:100 incentive or if it ended up being distributed differently or in multiple ways.

I guess you could say my 1000 incentive covers is all non-autographed incentives :lol:
Well I was with Dino at SDCC when he handed CGC a stack of these so that some would be in the census and it was one of his copies that landed that 8.0 and was like WTF? when they came back :lol: :lol:

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From what I can remember, Valiant had a CGC witness at the time, and they worked out a deal with CGC that they could be signed and stamped (I think they were stamped), and sent out to the retailers and would be accepted by CGC up until a specific date. All books that were produced were signed and witnessed properly. Do believe they went through a verification to make sure that there were no unsigned books too. Then, All books that were sent in to CGC, would be given the yellow "sig series" banner. Those green banners are those that missed the cut off date. http://valiantentertainment.com/2017/05 ... june-28th/

Side note: This is done now a days with a big CGC plastic bag, which are mainly used at Cons. Mainly used for multiple signatures at a Con, but would work in this type of situation. Bag can only be opened once, thus securing the book for travel, or multiple signatures. I used something like this when I had my Kotaki signature done on my X-O Manowar #15 1:50. It's a system I would happily use again.
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This is a really awesome list...lots of work and reading.

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Updated with images (some).

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Kano's Broken Angel is a beauty and, of course, Sauvage's Ninjak Roku.

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Updated
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Valiant seems to have done a lot of “firsts” in the comic world when making comics.

For instance:

Bloodshot #1 first Chromium comic cover
X-O #1 Brushed Metal first Metal cover
Bloodshot #1 carbon fiber (first carbon fiber cover)

Was L&DofTH #1 Glass cover the first Glass ever in the comic industry?

Am I missing any other “firsts” with materials in making the comic books?
I’m not sure if Q&W Most Variant cover would count?

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1st Mirror cover.

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DirtbagSailor wrote:
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1st Mirror cover.
Ok... L&DofTH first Mirror cover ever

Were any of the glass covers the first glass cover?

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Juki wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:47:43 pm
DirtbagSailor wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:30:35 am
1st Mirror cover.
Ok... L&DofTH first Mirror cover ever

Were any of the glass covers the first glass cover?
Well, LADOTH had the first ever mirror cover and second ever glass cover. :wink:

https://www.cbr.com/valiant-tempered-gl ... ant-cover/


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