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VALIANT NOVEMBER 2019 COMIC BOOK SALES!
160 Rai 1* $3.99 Valiant 12,332 (-10%)
251 Bloodshot 3 $3.99 Valiant 6,706
290 Killers 5 $3.99 Valiant 4,702
291 Roku 2 $3.99 Valiant 4,685
306 Doctor Mirage 4 $3.99 Valiant 4,219
312 Psi-Lords 6 $3.99 Valiant 3,803 cancelled as of #8
319 Livewire 12 $3.99 Valiant 3,638 so disappointing
251 Bloodshot 3 $3.99 Valiant 6,706
290 Killers 5 $3.99 Valiant 4,702
291 Roku 2 $3.99 Valiant 4,685
306 Doctor Mirage 4 $3.99 Valiant 4,219
312 Psi-Lords 6 $3.99 Valiant 3,803 cancelled as of #8
319 Livewire 12 $3.99 Valiant 3,638 so disappointing
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Re: VALIANT NOVEMBER 2019 COMIC BOOK SALES!
Okay I'll say it...DOOM!
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Re: VALIANT NOVEMBER 2019 COMIC BOOK SALES!
I wanna be the first person to declare doom and gloom on one of these threads one day. It's practically a badge of honour on this board to have done that at least once I'm sure
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Remember when Dinesh & co would put out a new ongoing and there would be an event feeling. Here are some comparisons just for dooms and glooms
Nov 2012. Shadowman 1. 25,048
Nov 2013. Unity 1. 60,003
Nov 2014. No new ongoing this month.
Nov 2015. Wrath of the Eternal Warrior 1. 32,528 (remember when this felt small?)
Nov 2016. Harbinger Renegade 1. 33,197
Nov 2017. X-O Manowar. 67,758
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Upset.
At Rai numbers. Really surprised at the low numbers ~ I really like it.
My first knowledge of PSI lords finishing early at 8. Glad in a way, saves me money as not enjoying it.
Wonder if PSI lords 8 will be lowest print run ever for valiant.
At Rai numbers. Really surprised at the low numbers ~ I really like it.
My first knowledge of PSI lords finishing early at 8. Glad in a way, saves me money as not enjoying it.
Wonder if PSI lords 8 will be lowest print run ever for valiant.
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Looking at your selection's second issues numbers helps show the reality of VEI titles over the years has generally been between 10-20k.
Dec 2012: Shadowman 2 - 16,917 (-32%)
Dec 2013: Unity 2 - 18,845 (-69%)
Dec 2014: EW: Days of Steel 2 - 5,760 (-15%)
Dec 2015: Wrath of the EW 2 - 10,364 (-68%)
Dec 2016: Harbinger Renegade 2 - 10,177 (-69%)
Dec 2017: Ninja-K 2 - 10,396 (-59%)
Dec 2018: Bloodshot: Rising Spirit 2 - 6,963 (-80%)
So, I'm guessing Rai will be more in the 35-50% drop range than the 65-80% drop these big variant books were, putting it somewhere around 7,000. That's a bit rough for certain compared to the hey day of the first couple years, but not THAT far off of where things were on lower tier books the last 4 or 5 years.
Dec 2019: Rai 2 - 7,000 (-43%)
Yes, but so much of VEI's historical #1 sales were artificially inflated by a deluge of variants, which DMG (for better or worse) doesn't believe in.syzhang28 wrote:
Remember when Dinesh & co would put out a new ongoing and there would be an event feeling. Here are some comparisons just for dooms and glooms
Nov 2012. Shadowman 1. 25,048
Nov 2013. Unity 1. 60,003
Nov 2014. Eternal Warrior: Days of Steel 1. 6,785 - there was a number #1, it was just a pitiful mini, but no real push or variants (sound familiar)
Nov 2015. Wrath of the Eternal Warrior 1. 32,528 (remember when this felt small?)
Nov 2016. Harbinger Renegade 1. 33,197
Nov 2017. Ninja-K 1. 25,505 - X-O was March 2017, not November
Nov 2018. Bloodshot: Rising Spirit 1. 34,692
Nov 2019. Rai 1. 12,332
Looking at your selection's second issues numbers helps show the reality of VEI titles over the years has generally been between 10-20k.
Dec 2012: Shadowman 2 - 16,917 (-32%)
Dec 2013: Unity 2 - 18,845 (-69%)
Dec 2014: EW: Days of Steel 2 - 5,760 (-15%)
Dec 2015: Wrath of the EW 2 - 10,364 (-68%)
Dec 2016: Harbinger Renegade 2 - 10,177 (-69%)
Dec 2017: Ninja-K 2 - 10,396 (-59%)
Dec 2018: Bloodshot: Rising Spirit 2 - 6,963 (-80%)
So, I'm guessing Rai will be more in the 35-50% drop range than the 65-80% drop these big variant books were, putting it somewhere around 7,000. That's a bit rough for certain compared to the hey day of the first couple years, but not THAT far off of where things were on lower tier books the last 4 or 5 years.
Dec 2019: Rai 2 - 7,000 (-43%)
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Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
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Let’s be honest, do any of these books deserve a bigger audience? Unlike LADOTH which sales were criminally low, these sales are probably about right, I wouldn’t want any of them to be the first Valiant book a new reader picked up.agent_graves wrote:160 Rai 1* $3.99 Valiant 12,332 (-10%)
251 Bloodshot 3 $3.99 Valiant 6,706
290 Killers 5 $3.99 Valiant 4,702
291 Roku 2 $3.99 Valiant 4,685
306 Doctor Mirage 4 $3.99 Valiant 4,219
312 Psi-Lords 6 $3.99 Valiant 3,803 cancelled as of #8
319 Livewire 12 $3.99 Valiant 3,638 so disappointing
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i know it doesnt help and probably led to a comic empire collapse but turok 1 "sold" 1.5 MILLION
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At least 5 other books "sold" more copies than Turok #1 in 1993 and they're still worthless today. Turok #1 may have been part of the problem, but Adventures of Superman #500 (white bag) was a much, much bigger culprit.reddog wrote:i know it doesnt help and probably led to a comic empire collapse but turok 1 "sold" 1.5 MILLION
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It's crazy that the gold editions of VH1 books had a similar print run to today's Valiant books (more, once you consider the multiple covers of all the new offerings), but still sell for much more on the secondary market.greg wrote:At least 5 other books "sold" more copies than Turok #1 in 1993 and they're still worthless today. Turok #1 may have been part of the problem, but Adventures of Superman #500 (white bag) was a much, much bigger culprit.reddog wrote:i know it doesnt help and probably led to a comic empire collapse but turok 1 "sold" 1.5 MILLION
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Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
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C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
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You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
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I don't know that they are diversity hires, per se, but that the people making the hiring decisions are looking for creators who value cultivating diversity within the characters more than quality story telling. At least one of the creators that they have hired, Mags Visaggio, is better known for her personal life and the way she lives than the quality comics she writes - I don't think she was hired for diversity, but for name recognition and headlines, none of which come from being good at her craft that she was hired for. The same could be argued for Heather Antos as an editor - she is known more for her involvement in social media than her quality of work as an editor. They aren't hiring writers or creators - they are hiring personalities who have ideas about what they want the characters to be, not quality stories.kjjohanson wrote:You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
I don't have a problem with people who live non-traditional lifestyles writing books I like. I bet Lilah Sturges could write some good stories for more than a few Valiant characters. I bet she'd do a really good A&A. I have a problem with Valiant choosing mediocrity and sacrificing better story writing, better art and better characters for any agenda.
Is the output of Valiant worse now than it was before the DMG buyout? I don't think I have seen a single person argue that it has gotten better. Few would say that the average overall output of Valiant is good, with monthly rankings of most books being deemed bad with only a couple of exceptions lauded as "okay" or "readable". That means that the creators aren't doing as good a work as those before the buyout, and that means that the hiring decisions are inferior to those where Dino was involved. Where does the buck stop? The EiC? DMG itself?
TL;DR It is not the creators that are diversity hires; it is that they are personalities hired for diversity creations!
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I didn’t understand the question...what would indicate they’re *not* a diversity hire? Well if that’s the question then ...kjjohanson wrote:You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
A) the books would have been well written and interesting books
B) they were established writers with a proven track record of sales
C) they didn’t all appear at once within 12 months (a massive statistical improbability)
D) Heather Antos wouldn’t have openly admitted to having a diversity agenda
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+1Dallow Spicer1 wrote:A) the books would have been well written and interesting bookskjjohnson wrote: You didn't answer my question.
B) they were established writers with a proven track record of sales
C) they didn’t all appear at once within 12 months (a massive statistical improbability)
D) Heather Antos wouldn’t have openly admitted to having a diversity agenda
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Listened to another Robert Meyers interview, this time with Valiant Central. He talks about having absolute trust in his editors on the decisions they make on hiring talent but what I hear is someone not taking responsibility for the creative direction of the company! In his position you have to have a vision for where the universe is going and not abdicate responsibility to others who make hiring decisions on writers and artists on a whim.
Again he talks about not every book being for all fans but having one book for all readers, based on sales numbers this just isn’t working and the established readership base are losing interest in the company and not being replaced by whoever he thinks is out there.
Again he talks about not every book being for all fans but having one book for all readers, based on sales numbers this just isn’t working and the established readership base are losing interest in the company and not being replaced by whoever he thinks is out there.
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I'm actually impressed with Rai's numbers. I would've thought it was going to be on par with Diggle's Shadowman orders....
I might pick up the Rai books today if I find them out and about.
I might pick up the Rai books today if I find them out and about.
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A) is a matter of opinion. I'm still catching up with my Valiant reading, but I haven't read anything that's significantly low-quality.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:I didn’t understand the question...what would indicate they’re *not* a diversity hire? Well if that’s the question then ...kjjohanson wrote:You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
A) the books would have been well written and interesting books
B) they were established writers with a proven track record of sales
C) they didn’t all appear at once within 12 months (a massive statistical improbability)
D) Heather Antos wouldn’t have openly admitted to having a diversity agenda
B) I don't think any of these creators are first-timers. And they all have credits with at least one of the big 2.
C) This is hyperbole. Also, you don't know what financial restraints they may have with hiring creators. I imagine since they have small-publisher sales numbers, they can't spend the money that would likely be necessary to draw the biggest names.
D) Did I miss where Antos "admitted" this? The only thing that I recall was the comics panel that I attended where she expressed that it WASN'T the main factor driving the decision. Are you admitting that you purposely ignored the facts?
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Re: VALIANT NOVEMBER 2019 COMIC BOOK SALES!
A) General consensus from this board is that the books are mostly dire. I’m sure you’ll love them when you eventually read them ...problem is there’s not enough of ‘you’ to keep these books selling!kjjohanson wrote:A) is a matter of opinion. I'm still catching up with my Valiant reading, but I haven't read anything that's significantly low-quality.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:I didn’t understand the question...what would indicate they’re *not* a diversity hire? Well if that’s the question then ...kjjohanson wrote:You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.kjjohanson wrote:Since you're convinced that many of the creators were hired solely as diversity hires, what would indicate that they're not diversity hires?Dallow Spicer1 wrote:Listen to the Robert Meyers interview with Get Valiant then look again at these woeful numbers. Look at those Bloodshot numbers with a movie just around the corner, that’s absolutely dire.
His strategy so far has blatantly failed. Telling us that Dr Mirage is ‘Mags Vissagios best work’, I’m thinking what does that even mean!? Launching Dr Tomorrow with a first time writer just so he can give it to a kid if he gets asked at a convention seems like a luxury we don’t have when the numbers are so low!
I totally get that they need to attract new readers, but his strategy has lost existing readers!. Stop chasing the non comic buying woke crowd and at least re-build the readership to what it was 2 years ago which I know wasn’t huge but it was better than this. Experiment with one book with diversity hires or kid books or first time writers, not across the majority of books.
IMO, DMG need to start paying attention to the publishing arm and bring someone in who can make better decisions.
Over to you KJ
Also, you don't know what sort of numbers are needed for profitability, and how many books they sell digitally. I don't think it's Myers's strategy (whatever you perceive it to be, or what it actually is) that lost readers; it's the departure of so many of the people that we grew to know and love.
A) the books would have been well written and interesting books
B) they were established writers with a proven track record of sales
C) they didn’t all appear at once within 12 months (a massive statistical improbability)
D) Heather Antos wouldn’t have openly admitted to having a diversity agenda
B) I don't think any of these creators are first-timers. And they all have credits with at least one of the big 2.
C) This is hyperbole. Also, you don't know what financial restraints they may have with hiring creators. I imagine since they have small-publisher sales numbers, they can't spend the money that would likely be necessary to draw the biggest names.
D) Did I miss where Antos "admitted" this? The only thing that I recall was the comics panel that I attended where she expressed that it WASN'T the main factor driving the decision. Are you admitting that you purposely ignored the facts?
B) I didn’t say they were first timers I said they didn’t have proven track records ...and yes they’ve had work published by the big 2...for the same reason they’ve had work published by Valiant.
C) If they have got financial constraints then why would sales but such a low priority. If a business needed money to finance better creators would you choose Forgotten Queen and Roku to bring the money in?!
D) If diversity wasn’t her driving factor then what was??
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Re: VALIANT NOVEMBER 2019 COMIC BOOK SALES!
Opinions will varyDallow Spicer1 wrote:A) General consensus from this board is that the books are mostly dire. I’m sure you’ll love them when you eventually read them ...problem is there’s not enough of ‘you’ to keep these books selling!kjjohanson wrote:A) is a matter of opinion. I'm still catching up with my Valiant reading, but I haven't read anything that's significantly low-quality.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:I didn’t understand the question...what would indicate they’re *not* a diversity hire? Well if that’s the question then ...kjjohanson wrote:You didn't answer my question.Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
C’mon KJ, the books have mostly been garbage, you know that! If the quality of the books remained high after the new regime took over then sales would not have nose dived so badly. Sure, some people left out of protest but more stopped buying as the quality of the books became secondary.
A) the books would have been well written and interesting books
B) they were established writers with a proven track record of sales
C) they didn’t all appear at once within 12 months (a massive statistical improbability)
D) Heather Antos wouldn’t have openly admitted to having a diversity agenda
B) I don't think any of these creators are first-timers. And they all have credits with at least one of the big 2.
C) This is hyperbole. Also, you don't know what financial restraints they may have with hiring creators. I imagine since they have small-publisher sales numbers, they can't spend the money that would likely be necessary to draw the biggest names.
D) Did I miss where Antos "admitted" this? The only thing that I recall was the comics panel that I attended where she expressed that it WASN'T the main factor driving the decision. Are you admitting that you purposely ignored the facts?
[citation needed]Dallow Spicer1 wrote: B) I didn’t say they were first timers I said they didn’t have proven track records ...and yes they’ve had work published by the big 2...for the same reason they’ve had work published by Valiant.
I enjoyed Forgotten Queen. Regarding Roku, since you're convinced that Valiant is all about diversity hires and "chasing the non comic buying woke crowd," now, can you explain to me where hiring white guy Cullen Bunn falls into this strategy?Dallow Spicer1 wrote: C) If they have got financial constraints then why would sales but such a low priority. If a business needed money to finance better creators would you choose Forgotten Queen and Roku to bring the money in?!
Maybe she's hiring people that she thinks will produce good material? Also, since you claimed that Antos "openly admitted to having a diversity agenda" can you support this statement with a source of that information?Dallow Spicer1 wrote: D) If diversity wasn’t her driving factor then what was??
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