Thread for those that didn't like the webseries..Step inside

[valiantdude]

whoa there gdog, I said you can thank me for making the REQUEST... meaning it may not have been compiled into a torrent, if I had not made the request,credit always goes to the scanners and uploaders...always..
slow down bud,..
edit...it actually said in the torrent notes, compiled and uploaded by request (in response to my request)

[greg]

You sound like Steve.

[valiantdude]

the vaultkeeper?...no dude...just me valiantdude...still valiant after all these years..
you started this forum because you got tired of us emailing you, and you were way ahead of your time..
I have mad love for this site, and have been participating before day 1, Ive made mistakes, I've had triumphs, and I've grown as a person since first posting here..been still remain defiantly valiant...
maybe you guys have this dream sometimes..
for years i had a reoccuring dream that I was in a giant comic shop going through longboxes..
everyone knows you can't legibly read words in a dream, but I've noticed that you can read logos..
so I'm I this shop pulling rare valiants that don't exist, they are from vh1,...in these dreams, I come across new valiant comics (now this is all before 07 and vei, and sometimes after maybe 1 or 2 in 08 or 09)
I look at the comics and the printing is faded, very faded, and I say to myself 'what are these', then in the dream, i say 'oh yeah, there was a company that tried to revive valiant, but didn't make it'..
i think about these dozens of dreams I've had sometimes when I think about vei..
I think DMG is going to do something awesome when they relaunch.. vei is what it is, I liked harbinger..

[greg]

the vaultkeeper?...no dude...just me valiantdude...still valiant after all these years..

Fine, moving on...

everyone knows you can't legibly read words in a dream

Uh... what?

[Elveen]

well i didn't like the webseries.

i don't have time to read this thread but it seemed to go way south very fast.

best post today, Mr. Giant Pumpkin!

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I thought it was "Pumpkin Head"?

[onearmedwampa3000]

The whole point was to bring in New folks to Valiant. I don't see this doing that. It's for juvenile thinkers. A couple passable action scenes doesn't make a good story. The worst part was the depiction of the characters. Ive been reading Valiant since 1991. I felt like they missed the mark completely. The worst were Archer, Shadowman and Roku. None of the characters represented how they're written in the books. The rest were pretty much just empty shells. I feel like this series misrepresents Valiant as a company. It was embarrassing.

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[AnarchoMambo]

The whole point was to bring in New folks to Valiant. I don't see this doing that. It's for juvenile thinkers. A couple passable action scenes doesn't make a good story. The worst part was the depiction of the characters. Ive been reading Valiant since 1991. I felt like they missed the mark completely. The worst were Archer, Shadowman and Roku. None of the characters represented how they're written in the books. The rest were pretty much just empty shells. I feel like this series misrepresents Valiant as a company. It was embarrassing.

I thought the whole point was not to bring new folks into Valiant, but to present some passable action scenes (-to interest filmmakers to do more with the characters .)

I also thought the purpose of Ninjak Vs... (web series and comic book) was not to present the characters as we have known them in any iteration since 1991, but to present them _differently_ from anything we would recognize in the last 30 tears.

So your two points of critique, as I understand them, were the clearly-stated objectives of the web series and the comic book in the first place. It can’t really be a surprise that you didn’t like the web series. Right?

[nonplayer]

However, this is so obviously attention-seeking behavior, and really, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it can be annoying, especially to people who have just went through something as monumental as their favorite characters coming to life for the first time. I can't even imagine how cool it would have been for fans that started reading in the 90's.

Thank you for your comment

[nonplayer]

Lastly, *SQUEE* on Dinesh is uncalled for and a cheap shot. Don’t come onto the forum of folks that so appreciate what he did by reviving Valiant and publishing great new stories and spew nonsense. Why is anyone even on this site if they don’t care for VEI. Go read you old Valiant books. Time will tell Dinesh’s legacy. It is way to early in the grand scheme of things to make judgement. My bet is that his legacy will be strong and cherished when all is said and done (half full!).

Thank you for your comment.

Anyone think distaindude "ValiantDude" is pete j king

[ShadowTuga]

Lastly, *SQUEE* on Dinesh is uncalled for and a cheap shot. Don’t come onto the forum of folks that so appreciate what he did by reviving Valiant and publishing great new stories and spew nonsense. Why is anyone even on this site if they don’t care for VEI. Go read you old Valiant books. Time will tell Dinesh’s legacy. It is way to early in the grand scheme of things to make judgement. My bet is that his legacy will be strong and cherished when all is said and done (half full!).

Thank you for your comment.

Anyone think distaindude "ValiantDude" is pete j king

Long haired guy who used to say he worked at Valiant? The self-made t-shirts guy? The "control your woman" guy? That guy?
Yes, I do.
I do believe its him.

[TheFerg714]

also, theferg714, I will get back to you on the questions youasked...not today tho..

Yea, gotta spend time talking about nothing instead of answering very specific questions about some of the bull *SQUEE* you've been spewing. No one cares that you have dissenting opinions, it's the fact that you rarely back up your opinions with rationale. You know full well that you're just trying to get people riled up when you say things like "[Dinesh] had the chance to make valiant great again (hahaha), but dropped the ball, mostly, hence his departure" without giving a little explanantion. It's just a ridiculous *SQUEE* statement, and your one point of "Well X-O should own a company!" is really, really dumb.

comparing vei comics to marvel and dc, and saying they're so much better...who cares?
those comics are complete *SQUEE*, less than zero, so what's the point of comparing?
wow, people made these books for those fans, of less than zero books, not hard to do better than less than zero, Valiant could have reinvented the whole genre, but instead made comics for comics fans only, the 10000 people... and so far still is pandering..

I've read pre-Unity and Unity, and let me tell you, Dinesh accomplished leagues more than Shooter ever did.
And from what I've heard around these parts, there's almost nothing that comes after Unity that's any good.

[Hotwire]

In my opinion the characterizations felt flat and contrived and the entire series was held back by that awful case of pink eye Roku had. No wonder Ninjak wouldn't make out with her.

[Joshua]

I don't really understand trashing Dinesh. I don't know who else could have done what he did with these characters and still left Valiant as its own company. Not only that, the talent we've had here has been great. The thing that scares me the most going forward is that there won't be quality talent to keep Valiant going. Fans liked him and so did the talent.

No one has to like the web series. I dug it. It was fun, exciting and free.

[Blood of Heroes]

In my opinion the characterizations felt flat and contrived and the entire series was held back by that awful case of pink eye Roku had. No wonder Ninjak wouldn't make out with her.

How did she get pink eye?

[valiantdude]

I'm not trashing anyone, i have an opinion, other people in this thread have the same or similar opinion, they're not seeking attention and neither am i..
I'm not trying to trash anyone, I'm just being honest,
dude had the keys, drove it wrong...it's okay, but again they made comics for comic fans period..
I loved some of comics, Harbinger a&a, at first were really good...but it lost something a long the way, Again, I don't need any attention, I am just posting on a forum I've been posting on for 16 years, where we discuss all things valiant, old and new, good and bad, for better or for worse.. don't post in this thread if you don't like the contents, I didn't want to derail the other thread, so I made a separate one...
i applaud dinesh for selling me those dvds when it was really hard to find scanned comics, and also pulling together various things at the right time to resurrect valiant,
but from there, he did big things wrong, and when I found out what he did to jim shooter, i was highly bummed, so he sold the gk characters to dh.. wow,but he was treated like *SQUEE*..so maybe they both ducked up, but vei was never pushing the envelope..period..

[TheFerg714]

but from there, he did big things wrong, and when I found out what he did to jim shooter, i was highly bummed, so he sold the gk characters to dh.. wow,but he was treated like *SQUEE*..so maybe they both ducked up, but vei was never pushing the envelope..period..

Oh, I get it. You're butthurt that Dinesh made a better universe than Shooter. Got it!

And what other "big things" did he do wrong?

[valiantdude]

shooter and co made the universe, dinesh bought it with other peoples money, and added to it..
I dont think they made a better version, personally, they don't have 'comicraft' creators.. and to be fair those guys are hard to come by..
so to address a previous post or two, which was it? was the web series meant to bring in new people or not meant to bring in new people?

[Ryan]

It's pretty weak to resort to personal attacks on the v-dude when all he's doing is expressing his honest opinion about the product put out. He wasn't personally attacking Dinesh or anyone else, just expressing his opinion on the material out in the market. VEI isn't a club, it's an entertainment company, and long-time fans who care about the characters shouldn't be attacked for having a critical opinion about the entertainment itself.

Personally, I feel like there's a writing problem at Valiant that manifested itself again in the "webseries", but I only made it through the first episode so I'm not going to have a well researched opinion. It's Ninjak vs. the Valiant Universe, so Ninjak is the main character, right? In the first scene he comes in drunk off wine acting like a pompous *SQUEE*, I didn't find him likable or interesting in the least. And then he fights a bunch but I don't care because they didn't make me care about the character or even spend any time letting us get to know him. I get the feeling that all the Top Shelf writers that write for Valiant don't really understand how superhero genre stories 'work'. But it doesn't seem like Marvel comics do either, so maybe it's a modern comics thing. Marvel movie writers get it though.

I get that most of the people on this board are here because they really like the new Valiant comics. I'm not trying to say people are wrong, just offering the viewpoint of an old school reader. Maybe I'm too attached to the old books and the characters how they were to give the new ones a decent chance? It's possible. I would just say like what you like and be passionate about it, and be open to someone seeing it a different way. This board used to have tons of passionate Valiant fans who had very different opinions about what was good or how new Valiant comics should be done. It was fun and vibrant conversation.

I've tried to make a few comics some years back, so I appreciate how challenging it is. Although it felt good when I had friend readers say "great job!" the readers I really appreciated were the ones who would understand what I was trying to accomplish and then give thoughtful critiques about where I could have done better and where I dropped the ball. It was hard to hear that stuff at first but then I realized that a critique of my work wasn't a critique of my worth as a person, just an opinion about how to better accomplish what I was trying to do. Now I see these kind of readers who are willing to invest their time and energy into trying to find faults to critique as invaluable. Nothing is ever 'perfect' but a creator who stays open can always improve and grow.

[TheFerg714]

He wasn't personally attacking Dinesh or anyone else, just expressing his opinion on the material out in the market. VEI isn't a club, it's an entertainment company, and long-time fans who care about the characters shouldn't be attacked for having a critical opinion about the entertainment itself.

I agree with everything you just said, but like I've said multiple times, it's really *SQUEE* to complain about Dinesh so backhandedly without explaining your point of view.

Personally, I feel like there's a writing problem at Valiant that manifested itself again in the "webseries", but I only made it through the first episode so I'm not going to have a well researched opinion.

Not sure how you can compare the writing in NvVU to every other VEI comic. The writing quality was drastically lower than usual. I don't think I've read anything from VEI that's reached the depths of the webseries.

I get the feeling that all the Top Shelf writers that write for Valiant don't really understand how superhero genre stories 'work'. But it doesn't seem like Marvel comics do either, so maybe it's a modern comics thing. Marvel movie writers get it though.

Top Shelf writers? Like who?

shooter and co made the universe, dinesh bought it with other peoples money, and added to it..
I dont think they made a better version, personally, they don't have 'comicraft' creators.. and to be fair those guys are hard to come by..

What is a comicraft creator?
Not sure what you're getting at, but VEI has had plenty of great and critically-acclaimed writers since 2012.

[Chiclo]

Does anyone else think that all of valiant dude’s posts *SQUEE* on Dinesh and sucking Shooter’s dick are because he is, in fact, Jim Shooter?

Can't be. We all know slym is Shooter, right?

[Ryan]

Top Shelf writers? Like who?

Robert Venditti, Jeff Lemire, and Matt Kindt all got started in the industry at Top Shelf Comix, which is not a knock necessarily. Top Shelf puts out a lot of critically acclaimed comics that sometimes win awards and sometimes sell 1000 copies. IMO it's mostly milquetoast artsy stuff, not the kind of stories that spring to mind when I'm thinking about who would be suitable for building an action-adventure superhero universe and selling a lot of copies to the average comic readers. If you read their older work, I'd say they're more on the side of quirky, idiosyncratic stories with genre elements that are critically acclaimed but don't sell a lot.

[valiantdude]

Thanks Ryan! Very good points, I think some people here have PTSD about dinesh being canned, I'm just giving my perspective as a OG valiant fan, without the personal attachments.
Also, are you Ryan 'it came from the quarter bin' Ryan?

[ilzuccone]

well i didn't like the webseries.

i don't have time to read this thread but it seemed to go way south very fast.

best post today, Mr. Giant Pumpkin!

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just thor?

[Ryan]

Thanks Ryan! Very good points, I think some people here have PTSD about dinesh being canned, I'm just giving my perspective as a OG valiant fan, without the personal attachments.
Also, are you Ryan 'it came from the quarter bin' Ryan?

Nope, this name is too darned common

We're all Valiant fans here and we all appreciate the people who work hard everyday to put out new content, but we also should be able to share our honest and unvarnished thoughts about the work without fear of getting ganged up on. If the leadership was smart, they would seek out honest opinions from customers who care and weigh the good with the bad as they make decisions, or try to understand why some things aren't working in the market.

[greg]

Thanks Ryan! Very good points, I think some people here have PTSD about dinesh being canned, I'm just giving my perspective as a OG valiant fan, without the personal attachments.

We're all Valiant fans here and we all appreciate the people who work hard everyday to put out new content, but we also should be able to share our honest and unvarnished thoughts about the work without fear of getting ganged up on.

You guys aren't getting "ganged up on"... You're expressing a minority opinion and acting like victims when the majority says so.

Your perspective is understood by the rest of us but the numbers just aren't on your side.