Thread for those that didn't like the webseries..Step inside

[kinggirlfriend]

No company is bulletproof. I've "loved" almost everything Valiant has done. At the very least I've "liked" some of it. They should be proud of the standards they've set for themselves. Then I read DEAD DROP. Even after buying the trade for 3 bucks I still felt ripped off. And there was no way I could convince myself otherwise. Nobody and no product put out by a corporation is above criticism.

[IMJ]

There is always one. Maybe he should change his name from valiant dude to valiant dump.
Lets not feed this troll

Well then there's 2.
This series sucked. Nothing trollish about calling a turd a turd, bud. With that said though, I love that there was honest effort made at (clearly) a grassroots level to at least put these characters into a live action framework to see what would happen. And, I hate to say this but I'm thinking that Green Ranger guy probably looks better as Bloodshot than Vin Diesel will -might-.

[lorddunlow]

I'm gonna respond in this thread so as not to tarnish the other thread. Valiantdude is entitled to his opinion as is everyone else. I definitely don't think it's as bad as he found it to be though.

However, despite enjoying the series as a Valiant fan, it was cheesy as hell. I expected this going, though, so it met my expectations. I will say the props and effects exceeded my expectations. Most of them looked great. The props were very well made and matched the comics well. The acting was well below my expectations, however. I totally understand this is just a fan film on steroids, but I've watched a lot of this cheesy/low budget, released on YouTube for free and just for fun stuff a lot. There was some good acting (I actually thought Roku, Neville, and Bloodshot did a pretty good job. The rest were meh, except for Archer and Armstrong who were painful to watch.) The other thing that kept taking me out of the experience and reminding me this was low low budget was the costumes... Wow... I've seen cosplay that looked better. With the high quality props they made I really would have expected the costumes to look a little less like marker on felt (I literally think that's what the X-O armor was).

Overall I enjoyed it. I still have the last episode to watch.

The main thing I kept thinking, though, was "I hope this isn't how a lot of people are introduced to these characters because they would think they're a joke."

My short and sweet take on this production is it's a really awesome and fun fan film with some subpar acting and absolutely horrendous costuming.

Overall I was impressed with the finished product, but there were definitely some missteps that if they'd focused a little bit more on it would have been amazing.

Edit: forgot to mention the fight choreography was also stellar. I sort of wished there was less dialogue and more fighting.

Dominatrix Capshaw was also a little much in that first episode...

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[ShadowTuga]

What was the point?

It was atrociously bad, i feel bad for Dinesh... That series should never have been released.
Everything about it was total garbage, my kids love valiant, ...they were gagging.. they couldn't believe how bad it was..
What a way to make the valiant universe look terrible to newcomers..
The acting was awful, who the hell cast these people, I can't believe this is real..
What demographic are they shooting for here? the chewing on mercury crowd? knuckle dragging droolers?
This looked like POWER RANGERS with violence.. jesus.. even PR had some production values compared to this..
Can they wipe this from the net?

No wonder DMG and Sony want this removed, omg. cmon guys...I know you love the characters, but this is like bad cosplay with a script and some cameras...

We already had a thread for discussing this, but I guess you're too high and mighty to just have an opinion like everyone else, hence you started your own trolling rant thread. Dislike what you want, valiantdude, but we don't need a thread all about your opinion.
So, here's my opinion on your thread (THIS IS NOT about your opinion, that's a given right for EVERYONE, just your TROLLING THREAD)

[valiantdude]

I'm not high yet..haha..it's only 1230 here...Lil less than 4 hours to go...
I could have commented it in the general thread, but I didnt want to poop on the positive vibes over there, I may have titled it initially with more sensitivity, but sensitivity is for sensitive people..
We've all been into these characters for so long, and all my kids love them, so after I watched that Dreadful excuse for a web series, I had to chime in at least, I'm sorry that's what a forum is for, for people and fans to comment with their opinion, or disseminate some other forms of information..
How am I out of line here, because I wasn't sensitive to people's feelings?, why watch marker on felt costumed pro wrestlers pretend to be valiant characters?.. sure it's funny to see one time, but I wouldn't ever ever give this to someone to introduce them to the Valiant Universe, not in a million years

[valiantdude]

All this does is highlight the disconnect that Dinesh had with the understanding of what it would take to make the new valiant universe successful ..there was a disconnect on the comic end, and there's a disconnect in this weird live action garbage, he did not understand certain things that it took to make a company successful this is an obvious manifestation of that..

[betterthanezra]

You don't get it clearly..

Dinesh told me this

"It's meant to be big and stupid fun."

It is.

Period.

-Brian

[nonplayer]

Distaindude do you work for dmg?
Sure sounds like it. Please go away.
I dont want to see your coments anymore.

[lorddunlow]

You don't get it clearly..

Dinesh told me this

"It's meant to be big and stupid fun."

It is.

Period.

-Brian

Big and stupid fun is very accurate.

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[ShadowTuga]

Nonplayer, there's no need to tell valiantdude to "go away", what the heck are you talking about? I'm no mod or admin or whatever, but nobody EXCEPT Greg can make that call. Its rude and it makes us look childish. You already have the ignore option on these boards, no need to read a comment from someone you are not a "fan", man.
It was a faux-pas to start a thread about something that one doesn't like (I don't get it, valiantdude, why did you started this thread? One should not be so angry at something, specially an adult with kids (plural) who are old enought to watch this, like you said. You what, on your 40s/50s? Isn't that a bit old for attention-seeking online rants and "hey, look at how mad I am about a fictional series (that i saw for free and can easily ignore) based on a bunch of fictional characters?
Seriously.

I HATED the first episode, pretty much (you can read my comments if you want to in the respective thread; if you want to). I saw some silver-lining here and there but my expectations for the rest were not that high. Then it surprised me with a lot of cool stuff that I liked because it was Valiant characters doing cool stuff. In character. And I saw it for FREEEEEEE!
Except for Gilad, most of Roku (she only came through in ep. 6 IMHO), not so great overall acting, and some weird writing-pace-cut-editing-i dunno that hurted the actor's work even more, its a very enjoyable watch.

I dunno, I see Bloodshot and Ninjak in an amazing sword-gun-hand-to-hand fight and I dig it.

We all have our dislikes, but only a certain type of person takes his/her rants about 1st world stuff and makes it a big deal on the internets. That's why I called you out on your attention seeking. An I clearly remember you coming here to gloat basically about Dino getting the boot and all that DMG stuff when it happened, kinda see where you want this to go. You do not like the 2012 reboot, why are you on a vfans forum in 2018?!

This thread is childish trolling. You could have posted your opening post in the thread discussing the movie, simply, and I don't have anything against the fact that you hated- not my bizz, do not care, just like you do not care about another person's opinion.
But we are all adults here, and adults don't make such a fuss online about s*** like a free movie that is not what you wanted.
Its beneath you and certainly the rest of the members of vfans.

[nonplayer]

Nonplayer, there's no need to tell valiantdude to "go away", what the heck are you talking about? I'm no mod or admin or whatever, but nobody EXCEPT Greg can make that call. Its rude and it makes us look childish. You already have the ignore option on these boards, no need to read a comment from someone you are not a "fan", man.
It was a faux-pas to start a thread about something that one doesn't like (I don't get it, valiantdude, why did you started this thread? One should not be so angry at something, specially an adult with kids (plural) who are old enought to watch this, like you said. You what, on your 40s/50s? Isn't that a bit old for attention-seeking online rants and "hey, look at how mad I am about a fictional series (that i saw for free and can easily ignore) based on a bunch of fictional characters?
Seriously.

I HATED the first episode, pretty much (you can read my comments if you want to in the respective thread; if you want to). I saw some silver-lining here and there but my expectations for the rest were not that high. Then it surprised me with a lot of cool stuff that I liked because it was Valiant characters doing cool stuff. In character. And I saw it for FREEEEEEE!
Except for Gilad, most of Roku (she only came through in ep. 6 IMHO), not so great overall acting, and some weird writing-pace-cut-editing-i dunno that hurted the actor's work even more, its a very enjoyable watch.

I dunno, I see Bloodshot and Ninjak in an amazing sword-gun-hand-to-hand fight and I dig it.

We all have our dislikes, but only a certain type of person takes his/her rants about 1st world stuff and makes it a big deal on the internets. That's why I called you out on your attention seeking. An I clearly remember you coming here to gloat basically about Dino getting the boot and all that DMG stuff when it happened, kinda see where you want this to go. You do not like the 2012 reboot, why are you on a vfans forum in 2018?!

This thread is childish trolling. You could have posted your opening post in the thread discussing the movie, simply, and I don't have anything against the fact that you hated- not my bizz, do not care, just like you do not care about another person's opinion.
But we are all adults here, and adults don't make such a fuss online about s*** like a free movie that is not what you wanted.
Its beneath you and certainly the rest of the members of vfans.

Where is the ignor button Im ready to block this guy.

[ShadowTuga]

Nonplayer, there's no need to tell valiantdude to "go away", what the heck are you talking about? I'm no mod or admin or whatever, but nobody EXCEPT Greg can make that call. Its rude and it makes us look childish. You already have the ignore option on these boards, no need to read a comment from someone you are not a "fan", man.
It was a faux-pas to start a thread about something that one doesn't like (I don't get it, valiantdude, why did you started this thread? One should not be so angry at something, specially an adult with kids (plural) who are old enought to watch this, like you said. You what, on your 40s/50s? Isn't that a bit old for attention-seeking online rants and "hey, look at how mad I am about a fictional series (that i saw for free and can easily ignore) based on a bunch of fictional characters?
Seriously.

I HATED the first episode, pretty much (you can read my comments if you want to in the respective thread; if you want to). I saw some silver-lining here and there but my expectations for the rest were not that high. Then it surprised me with a lot of cool stuff that I liked because it was Valiant characters doing cool stuff. In character. And I saw it for FREEEEEEE!
Except for Gilad, most of Roku (she only came through in ep. 6 IMHO), not so great overall acting, and some weird writing-pace-cut-editing-i dunno that hurted the actor's work even more, its a very enjoyable watch.

I dunno, I see Bloodshot and Ninjak in an amazing sword-gun-hand-to-hand fight and I dig it.

We all have our dislikes, but only a certain type of person takes his/her rants about 1st world stuff and makes it a big deal on the internets. That's why I called you out on your attention seeking. An I clearly remember you coming here to gloat basically about Dino getting the boot and all that DMG stuff when it happened, kinda see where you want this to go. You do not like the 2012 reboot, why are you on a vfans forum in 2018?!

This thread is childish trolling. You could have posted your opening post in the thread discussing the movie, simply, and I don't have anything against the fact that you hated- not my bizz, do not care, just like you do not care about another person's opinion.
But we are all adults here, and adults don't make such a fuss online about s*** like a free movie that is not what you wanted.
Its beneath you and certainly the rest of the members of vfans.

Where is the ignor button Im ready to block this guy.

Just add him as foe in your account.

[valiantdude]

whoa...I hope u didn't actually type all that...i use speech to text...
maybe i should have titled the thread
'thread for people that don't like the webseries'
I apologize for not being sensitive there.
everything else in this thread is a person expressing their opinion, and as you can see there are people that agree w my perspective..
no one had to comment on this thread..except for the people that agreed..
i didn't gloat about the dmg takeover, but I did acknowledge it opens the doors that were closed by dinesh and co..
i think it's weird these characters are owned by the Chinese govt..
dude...does it matter what age I am? there are people older and younger than me here..
that's kinda low honestly...we are here to discuss valiant matters..
I have made several great contributons to this board..
I don't just sit and talk *SQUEE*..
I don't think I was every angry, just frequently dissapointed..
i would like to see vei and now dmg be succesful..
but vei droped the ball and made comics for comic fans only, and on his way out the former ceo blew company cash on a poorly conceived webseries..which was hated by the company he worked for..
I post on this post board for the same reason you all do...
this is a valiant message board old and new, for young and old..
imagine if you hadn't seen a valiant product since the 90s and many people haven't if you look at the sales numbers..and then u saw this drivel..would you want to check the company again?...
probably not..
this series is weak...weak sauce..
and again HURTS the brand, and cheapens the concepts..

[valiantdude]

and it's interesting you come into a thread I started and then talk about how u don't want to hear it...well why the hell did u come in here?
amazing there isn't a block button for every opinon a person doesn't agree with...wow, god forbid you might hear something you don't like...i would never want to live that way..but have fun in your echo chamber

[ShadowTuga]

whoa...I hope u didn't actually type all that...i use speech to text...
maybe i should have titled the thread
'thread for people that don't like the webseries'
I apologize for not being sensitive there.
everything else in this thread is a person expressing their opinion, and as you can see there are people that agree w my perspective..
no one had to comment on this thread..except for the people that agreed..
i didn't gloat about the dmg takeover, but I did acknowledge it opens the doors that were closed by dinesh and co..
i think it's weird these characters are owned by the Chinese govt..
dude...does it matter what age I am? there are people older and younger than me here..
that's kinda low honestly...we are here to discuss valiant matters..

If you felt I was trying to offend you, in some sort (calling you old), I apologise- I am 40 and showing it, no shame about age, most of the peeps here are older than me, but they do not - 99,9% of them, at least- start Hate threads that smell of juvenile bitterness. Its childish, its so 1st world-rich-and-fat rant that it annoys me, but I never once went for you personally, as an attack. I used your words, and I meant by them the following, for clarity sake (also, english is not my native language, so excuse my lack of vocabulary necessary to articulate a more finesse-filled response):
one who has kids old enought to watch and appreciate this film, is certainly a mature man aware of the daily struggles of life we all share. Unless you are a rich do-nothing, you understand this basic line of thinking.
For perspective, we yesterday witnessed an historic moment that for many meant they could now NOT FEAR for their damn lifes. In South Korea and Japan, people are happy as you and I will never be.
Compare to that, we go here on this forum for lighter stuff, pretty much ignoring the world outside our hobby, right?
Don't. Just don't. Some of us (not me, thank the heavens) go through really tough situations in life, vfans is a haven of cool people talking respectfully about their passion. Why would we want to start a bad-feeling thread on a subject that by itself is really a spec of dust in your life's journey.
Ok, now I'm all zenish and whatnot. Sorry everyone, not my intention, just a portuguese working his way through this. And I am not condescending you, or whatever, valiantdude, just trying to get you to see my side here.

My apologies again if you thought I was calling you out on your age alone (calling you old), again. That is something I would never do to nobody, my parents raised me well enough, sir. I am answering you back because that is something I felt had to be clear.
I sincerely tried to show you how juvenile your arguing was, specially for a grown adult with responsibilities like all of us here are, you included, I assume.

[valiantdude]

no worries...all good... I don't mind being offended, honestly haha, I would just hope you wouldn't accidentally offend someone else in the process..
And yes this is a very historic day North and South Korea ending War, and the South Korean president giving so much credit to president Trump for his work. For all the Trump haters, at least you can say he did this one thing good so far

[ShadowTuga]

no worries...all good... I don't mind being offended, honestly haha, I would just hope you wouldn't accidentally offend someone else in the process..
And yes this is a very historic day North and South Korea ending War, and the South Korean president giving so much credit to president Trump for his work. For all the Trump haters, at least you can say he did this one thing good so far

We all should mind being offended, sir. That's the main reason I decided to jump in: you - in my eyes - were offending the hard work that the folks at BiTS had, and the love for the characters and their fans that Dinesh has, since this was his project also. Like it, hate it, we already were discussing all of it in the rightful place. And I also would like to add, that as someone posted there, this is not above fair and constructive criticism, you just have to point what you hated in ways that don't scream "look at this thread to see how much I hated this". That's if you want to be taken seriously and not as a troll.

And I'm sorry to break it to you, but Dinesh is a sort of Holy Man among us here- you can't post something as vitriolic as you did, and not expect some sort of putting you in place. For perspective again, and sorry for bringing my personal experience to a thread that's anything but about that, I love the dude. Not only I discovered Valiant because of him, first and foremost (I still remember thinking that the man had the best job in the world- boss of the universe he loved as a kid) Plus, he was always kind in our interactions, few as they might have been, but I still found ASTONISHING (all caps) that this man, the CEO of the comic book company I was a fan, went out of his way to send me stuff for free. And I know that as happy as I was, Dino was probably even happier (for hooking up a long-distance fan with merch) because he's that type of person, in my eyes. Even if I truly disliked this film, it would never cross my mind for a second to start a thread on how much I hate it. That takes away from the vibe we all try to have here. Respect and sincerity of opinion, can walk hand in hand, but first, respect to otheres, specially those fans who bring something to the table. That's how I and others here roll.
Don't think I will ever not talk to you again, I try to make bread with everyone I disagree here, or in the last resort, just ignore them. I'm not after you or something like that, valiantdude. Hope the same applies, from now on aswell.

Oh, just an aside, don't try to post anything political here, because that has its own place. My point was just to illustrate how our mindset should be when posting here "this should be a feely-goody place, no negativity unless its about Dead Drop , etc"

Happy Weekend.

[valiantdude]

"Dinesh is a sort of Holy Man among us here"

Not to me, never has been, just a dude..
in my eyes he had the chance to make valiant great again (hahaha), but dropped the ball, mostly, hence his departure

Ive mentioned before he has amazing manifestation powers, but execution was unorganized at best.

I just never understood, how you could love this universe and then *SQUEE* up major characters..

The guy was NEVER an editor, just a gleeful fanboy with his dream job.

When the universe relaunch happens, right before or after the 1st movie, there will be a chance to undo this mess..

And mark my words, there WILL be a relaunch of the entire universe, all #1s, with characterization closer to pre-unity VH1..

and they will bring Jim Shooter back to Harbinger... watch

[kinggirlfriend]

Ugh, jeez I hope not. That'd be a huge step back.

[TheFerg714]

I can see both sides here. I get that it's totally fine to have a negative opinion of something. Hell, honestly, this series was very close to being so bad that I'd make a whole thread about it. I dropped the *SQUEE* mini-series after the first issue because I thought it was awful.

However, this is so obviously attention-seeking behavior, and really, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it can be annoying, especially to people who have just went through something as monumental as their favorite characters coming to life for the first time. I can't even imagine how cool it would have been for fans that started reading in the 90's.

Me, on the other hand, just want you to back up some of the ridiculous things you've been saying. This is basically what your arguments look like:
-"I think Dinesh sucks."
-"Dude that's messed up."
-"I don't care, Dinesh sucks."

So now I ask, can you please clarify some of these opinions of yours?

Not to me, never has been, just a dude..
in my eyes he had the chance to make valiant great again (hahaha), but dropped the ball, mostly, hence his departure

Please elaborate. How exactly did he not make Valiant great again? I'll be the first to tell you there were (sometimes serious) missteps along the way, but overall, the quality of VEI's books have been just ridiculously better than Marvel or DC. It's honestly not even a contest, especially when you take events and connectivity into account.

Ive mentioned before he has amazing manifestation powers, but execution was unorganized at best.

Okay, for example, what could he have done better, in regards to his "unorganized execution?"

I just never understood, how you could love this universe and then *SQUEE* up major characters..

I agree that there are character problems in NvVU, but is that all your referencing?

When the universe relaunch happens, right before or after the 1st movie, there will be a chance to undo this mess..

You have got to be insane. First of all, how about you qualify a ridiculous statement like this with your throughts on WHY you think a universe relaunch would be good. And why the do you think that DMG will magically do a better job than Dinesh? What evidence is there to think that they know better than VEI?

And mark my words, there WILL be a relaunch of the entire universe, all #1s, with characterization closer to pre-unity VH1..

Literally what makes you think this? Joe Illidge has specifically stated that they plan on going forward with ramifications from Harbinger Wars II.

and they will bring Jim Shooter back to Harbinger... watch

[/quote]
You're silly.

[Ricomortis]

"Dinesh is a sort of Holy Man among us here"

Not to me, never has been, just a dude..
in my eyes he had the chance to make valiant great again (hahaha), but dropped the ball, mostly, hence his departure

Ive mentioned before he has amazing manifestation powers, but execution was unorganized at best.

I just never understood, how you could love this universe and then *SQUEE* up major characters..

The guy was NEVER an editor, just a gleeful fanboy with his dream job.

When the universe relaunch happens, right before or after the 1st movie, there will be a chance to undo this mess..

And mark my words, there WILL be a relaunch of the entire universe, all #1s, with characterization closer to pre-unity VH1..

and they will bring Jim Shooter back to Harbinger... watch

Serious question... (To drunk to type almost) but, what have you done to make the Valiant world better? Just curious... Cause you seem to have it ALL figured out.

That post was pretty harsh dude...

[agent_graves]

I'm not high yet..haha..it's only 1230 here...

Ha! I am. Happy Belated 4/20

When the universe relaunch happens, right before or after the 1st movie, there will be a chance to undo this mess..

And mark my words, there WILL be a relaunch of the entire universe, all #1s, with characterization closer to pre-unity VH1..

and they will bring Jim Shooter back to Harbinger... watch

You’re silly.

Serious question... (To drunk to type almost) but, what have you done to make the Valiant world better? Just curious... Cause you seem to have it ALL figured out.

I LOVE THIS SITE!!! S/O TO EVERYBODY!!!

[greg]

The original topic that valiantdude posted was "Jeezus..that webseries is terrible...what the hell?"

I have been advised to be more positive as an administrator on this board... so...

To be fair to valiantdude, it is true that there are imaginary scenarios where someone does a better job immediately than someone who spent 13 years giving 100% while dealing with all kinds of reality.

They are imaginary scenarios, but we should take note because they are usually created in the minds of people who have never done anything in reality. Now, I don't know you personally, so I can't say you've never done anything. I can only say you haven't done anything noteworthy and beneficial around here... but there's still time.

Perhaps you were the one holding the camera while the North and South Korean leaders shook hands, since you brought that up, completely off the subject. If so, good job.

Why just be a beacon of light and wisdom for Valiant, dude? I would be happy to hear how your ideas for Marvel would have made Black Panther earn $20billion. After all, that comfy couch of creative concepts you're sitting on shouldn't be wasted on one small publisher.

Keep on dreaming those bold and beautiful dreams, valiantdude. You're an inspiration not only to yourself, but also to people who have done something in reality... no, no, I'm already getting word that I was wrong... you're just an inspiration to yourself at this point.

We all have to have someone to look up to... or at least to look eye level with... in a mirror. Good for you, buddy.

[ShadowTuga]

The original topic that valiantdude posted was "Jeezus..that webseries is terrible...what the hell?"

I have been advised to be more positive as an administrator on this board... so...

To be fair to valiantdude, it is true that there are imaginary scenarios where someone does a better job immediately than someone who spent 13 years giving 100% while dealing with all kinds of reality.

They are imaginary scenarios, but we should take note because they are usually created in the minds of people who have never done anything in reality. Now, I don't know you personally, so I can't say you've never done anything. I can only say you haven't done anything noteworthy and beneficial around here... but there's still time.

Perhaps you were the one holding the camera while the North and South Korean leaders shook hands, since you brought that up, completely off the subject. If so, good job.

Why just be a beacon of light and wisdom for Valiant, dude? I would be happy to hear how your ideas for Marvel would have made Black Panther earn $20billion. After all, that comfy couch of creative concepts you're sitting on shouldn't be wasted on one small publisher.

Keep on dreaming those bold and beautiful dreams, valiantdude. You're an inspiration not only to yourself, but also to people who have done something in reality... no, no, I'm already getting word that I was wrong... you're just an inspiration to yourself at this point.

We all have to have someone to look up to... or at least to look eye level with... in a mirror. Good for you, buddy.

Greg, just a minor correction bud, it was me who brought the SK/NK talk but I was trying to make a point about there being way more important things in life. I did not want to be political, not even close. And I am not sure I made my point, even then.
Sorry to everyone, this was my bad.

[greg]

Greg, just a minor correction bud, it was me who brought the SK/NK talk but I was trying to make a point about there being way more important things in life. I did not want to be political, not even close. And I am not sure I made my point, even then.
Sorry to everyone, this was my bad.

It's OK, 'tuga... like my posts, yours are also tl;dr