Valiant Editor-in-Chief Warren Simons Resigns

[lorddunlow]

I'm also curious about this quote from C2E2.

Next up they're talking about the BLOODSHOT movie starring Vin Diesel. Caylo says when the movie comes out, Valiant will have an ambitious comic publishing plan to surround it.

Sounds like they're already planning the Summer of Valiant 2019.

Sounds like they're already planning to carbon copy Marvel with having the books mirror the movies for no good reason.


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[TheFerg714]

Sounds like they're already planning to carbon copy Marvel with having the books mirror the movies for no good reason.


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Hey, there's nothing wrong with having an awesome Bloodshot story on the shelves when the movie comes out. Obviously Marvel takes it a little overboard, but it would be illogical to not have something Bloodshot-related going on during and surrounding the month of the movie's release.

[jxm640]

I'm also curious about this quote from C2E2.

Next up they're talking about the BLOODSHOT movie starring Vin Diesel. Caylo says when the movie comes out, Valiant will have an ambitious comic publishing plan to surround it.

Sounds like they're already planning the Summer of Valiant 2019.

Sounds like they're already planning to carbon copy Marvel with having the books mirror the movies for no good reason.


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This will work if Valiant treats these as two separate lines of comics (a la DC Earth One [despite the lack fo movie tie in]).

One line is the regular line (VEI/VMG [name for the new era?]) and the other expands upon the cinematic universe (VCU).

[Dallow Spicer1]

https://www.cbr.com/joe-illidge-valiant ... ve-editor/

New Exec Editor, Joe Illidge. Well known around comics and has a lot of connections I’m sure. Was part of Milestone and, more recently, Lion Forge and the Catalyst Prime launch. Known for trying to increase diversity in comics. I think he’s a good hire.

that's the last thing Valiant needs.

Is diversity still an issue?? I mean, the Valiant Universe is already well diversified, so this should be a non-issue. We not still pushing the white heterosexual male as the alpha and omega, are we? I’m Black. Some of my favorite Valiant characters are black, (Divinity, LiveWire, Shadowman, Animalia) some are white, (Ninjak, Roku, XO, Punk Mambo) and some are of asian decent, (Harada, Dr Mirage, Tama, Bleeding Monk) so I don’t see what’s the problem, nothing Joe can do wrong to an already well diverse Valiant Universe...

Well let's hope you're right. It's just that a lot of the time, when someone says that diversity is important, it's usually just a front for trying to shove political bull down everybody's throats.

I just don't want Valiant infected by the same identity politics that's so rampant amongst every other publisher (especially Marvel).

+1 to this! We’ve already seen some identity/ anti Trump politics in the books and I’m not interested in all that. That said, I’m not jumping to conclusions that the new exec editor will have this agenda. As already pointed out by Agent Graves, VEI already has a diverse set of characters and in my opinion have achieved that in the right way and not ‘forced it’ ala Marvel.

[SuperMage]

Sounds like they're already planning to carbon copy Marvel with having the books mirror the movies for no good reason.


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Hey, there's nothing wrong with having an awesome Bloodshot story on the shelves when the movie comes out. Obviously Marvel takes it a little overboard, but it would be illogical to not have something Bloodshot-related going on during and surrounding the month of the movie's release.

We have no way of specifically knowing what Summer of Valiant 2019 will look like. For all we know Mel could just mean a new Bloodshot ongoing series with related spin-off books like Deathmate and H.A.R.D. Corps. If there was a time for a push of new Bloodshot family books it would be during the film's release. It'd also be a good idea to develop these characters so that when it's their time to be optioned off there's enough source material for screenwriters to work with.

This will work if Valiant treats these as two separate lines of comics (a la DC Earth One [despite the lack fo movie tie in]).

One line is the regular line (VEI/VMG [name for the new era?]) and the other expands upon the cinematic universe (VCU).

Thing is VEI already is Ultimate Valiant. It's an updated version of the original 90's VH-1 universe that was specifically built from the ground up to be easily adapted to other media. The idea of Earth One/Ultimate Marvel is a grounded version of the DC/Marvel universe. Valiant already got that out of the way by making their universe more realistic from the start. Bloodshot is a dead guy who was resurrected with nanites from a government experiment. Not sure how I'd make that move modern seeing as the book was only published in 2012.

It's more likely VEI will publish books in anticipation of media adaptions. Even their current roster of books reflects that philosophy. Quantum and Woody? Upcoming T.V. series. Shadowman? Upcoming movie. Bloodshot Salvation? Upcoming movie. Ninja-K? Upcoming web-series. X-O Manowar? Upcoming movie.

Ta-Nehisi Coates' Black Panther was clearly written to provide modern source material for the upcoming trilogy. It still took place in the mainstream Marvel universe, and maintained all of the continuity. Elements from the book were even in the movie like the transforming suits. Black Widow has had two ongoings books in the mainstream MCU ever since speculation started that she would be the next Avenger to get a solo movie. Hellcat has an ongoing comic suddenly now that people thing she might get a spin-off show from Jessica Jones. Squirrel Girl admittedly got her ongoing before it was announced that Marvel would Doreen Green her own t.v. show. I wouldn't be surprised though if Marvel tried to anticipate the network's plan with New Warriors, and started publishing spin-off books starting the respective main characters.

Burke felt they "absolutely" could given the characters Marvel chose "are all really singular and could each carry the show that they're on. They're bound together ... for as long as we choose with this show but it's conceptually tailor-made for spinoffs

Translation: "Start publishing new books Marvel, so we'll have more to work with.

The Valiant Entertainment Universe is only five years old with characters who were already made in mind for film adaptions. Corporate synergy for VEI would be launching spin-off books to expand the brand on the pillar franchises. Logically though, this would have to be timed for interest in Bloodshot and his corner of the Valiant Universe is at its peak. Like when the movie comes out.

[Aram]

GREG:

I replied to yet another post about Warren resigning with the link to this topic. I think the topics then got merged to keep from being repetitive, so the link to this topic is now in this topic.

If you're still confused, let me write it out in BASIC pseudocode for you guys.

10 Discuss Warren resigning
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30 Post Another Topic About Warren resigning
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I feel trapped in a loop. But the code helps.

Edit: SINCE WHEN CAN WE ONLY EMBED 6 QUOTES WITHIN EACH OTHER! THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF COMMUNISM!

Gregs code is a loop, and skips line 30 altogether, which i think was the point.

[Aram]

For anyone who didn't run Greg's Code:
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[Ricomortis]

Hold on!

Now WHO is Warren? And exactly WHAT is he doing?

[Aram]

Hold on!

Now WHO is Warren? And exactly WHAT is he doing?

Warren is a poker player, who supplemented his non poker playing time editing comics.

He's probably sitting back enjoying a fine cigar right now.

[tell]

Diversity is great, I'm a white dude and I find white dudes played out. Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about. Especially when it's based solely on expectations based on previous work history.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Diversity is great, I'm a white dude and I find white dudes played out. Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about. Especially when it's based solely on expectations based on previous work history.

Sorry but I have to disagree. I find the opposite. There’s a blatantly clear political agenda from some creators to push an agenda on the reader and that’s why people object Marvel have been pushing this hard in recent years and you have to ask yourself ‘why’? For the most part it’s insulting to the intelligence and transparently obvious. IMO comic readers mainly come for escapism and not for more of what passes for ‘mainstream culture’ (?) these days. Thankfully, Valiant have only done this on a few odd occasions and it’s not prevalent.

I think Valiant did it the right way by launching books with diverse characters and letting them sink or swim rather than hijacking established characters and fundamentally changing them solely for political ideology.

[BugsySig]

Diversity is great, I'm a white dude and I find white dudes played out. Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about. Especially when it's based solely on expectations based on previous work history.

Sorry but I have to disagree. I find the opposite. There’s a blatantly clear political agenda from some creators to push an agenda on the reader and that’s why people object Marvel have been pushing this hard in recent years and you have to ask yourself ‘why’? For the most part it’s insulting to the intelligence and transparently obvious. IMO comic readers mainly come for escapism and not for more of what passes for ‘mainstream culture’ (?) these days. Thankfully, Valiant have only done this on a few odd occasions and it’s not prevalent.

I think Valiant did it the right way by launching books with diverse characters and letting them sink or swim rather than hijacking established characters and fundamentally changing them solely for political ideology.

I’m not a fan of diversity for diversity’s sake, but if it’s natural and organic and reflective of society, then by all means. Like, I see no reason to change a character’s race/ethnicity/sexual orientation/etc just to make a splash and get some cheap attention (Look Iceman is Gay! Nick Fury is Black now!). But if you’re creating new characters, there’s no reason some shouldn’t be black/Muslim/gay/disabled/etc. If there really were superpowered individuals, a very large proportion of them would not be white, Christian, straight men.

[jmatt]

Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about.

No, I just don't want it in my entertainment. We are bombarded with politics and partisanship relentlessly all day long. People are free to air their opinions. Super. Just don't expect I'll enjoy it in my entertainment or pay for it.

That said, I sometimes enjoy a comic exploring a broad concept like free will, as VH1 Magnus did.

[kinggirlfriend]

Diversity is great, I'm a white dude and I find white dudes played out. Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about. Especially when it's based solely on expectations based on previous work history.

Sorry but I have to disagree. I find the opposite. There’s a blatantly clear political agenda from some creators to push an agenda on the reader and that’s why people object Marvel have been pushing this hard in recent years and you have to ask yourself ‘why’? For the most part it’s insulting to the intelligence and transparently obvious. IMO comic readers mainly come for escapism and not for more of what passes for ‘mainstream culture’ (?) these days. Thankfully, Valiant have only done this on a few odd occasions and it’s not prevalent.

I think Valiant did it the right way by launching books with diverse characters and letting them sink or swim rather than hijacking established characters and fundamentally changing them solely for political ideology.

I’m not a fan of diversity for diversity’s sake, but if it’s natural and organic and reflective of society, then by all means. Like, I see no reason to change a character’s race/ethnicity/sexual orientation/etc just to make a splash and get some cheap attention (Look Iceman is Gay! Nick Fury is Black now!). But if you’re creating new characters, there’s no reason some shouldn’t be black/Muslim/gay/disabled/etc. If there really were superpowered individuals, a very large proportion of them would not be white, Christian, straight men.

When I look at this paragraph all I see is GAY! NICK FURY!

And I think how that might be a real funny comic.

[agent_graves]

Sh!t was all good just a week ago, (3 months real time ) look where we’re at now, sh!ts all f’up now....

First Dinesh, then Hunter, now Warren. And that’s just the big 3, who’s next...

New hires incoming, 1 out of 3 ain’t bad, (I guess) I like Joe, he’s an experienced editor...

I feel like we’re a tight knit group, yea, we can agree to disagree all day, that’s the fun of it all, varied opinions...

But Tell made a good point, a lot of times (not all) you run into those fans that feel entitled, they feel like any drastic change to a beloved character, is the creator pushing an agenda...

Also, more to Tells point, those same fans be quick to point out, that it’s to many black characters in the Justice League/McDuffie Run, as if the world outside your window, is all WHITE, (escapism, based on reality though, right?) then comes the, diversity is being showed down our throats, how so? Oh, the Justice League should be all white characters, Got It!....

I will concede that, changing an established characters ethnicity/gender/sexual preference never bodes well, it does feel like a cheap way to grab some attention and sell a few extra books. But history shows, that sh!t can work in a publishers favor. Black Nick Fury was cool because it was out of continuity, until he blew the F’up in the MCU, now those entitled fans want to cry foul. What they fail to realize is, the movie-goers don’t give a F%#&, only the hardcore fans that’s been collecting since we was kids, know that Nick Fury is white in the comics. Also, Miles stepping in to fill Peters shoes worked out as well, so much so that they added Miles to the 616...

I don’t read much Marvel anymore, I don’t like their business tactics. So someone would have to enlighten me about these agendas that they’re pushing, politics or otherwise...

I do however still read quite a few Dc books, sh!t, Snyder made Duke whole cloth, Duke’s origin is in Year Zero, the seeds were planted way back then (New 52 Era) poor kid still can’t catch a break from the Dc faithful, because it’s no way in hell, a black kid can be better at anything, when it comes to Bruce’s other sons, and daughters (Cass, Steph) for that matter. Again, this is viewed as Dc shoving diversity down people’s throat, even though none of the other Bat characters have been shelved. Smfh, those entitled fans. With that being sad, the whole two Wally thing seems a little weird, lol...

And as far as Valiant goes, I’ve been around since 2012, and while I don’t have every single book released since then, I mean, come on man, I never touched Dead Drop. I’m not aware of any agenda being shoved down our throats by Valiant, politically or otherwise. If so, please point it out for me, I’ll have no problem pulling out said issue, so I can see what I obviously glanced over....

#StayValiant

[jxm640]

Sh!t was all good just a week ago, (3 months real time ) look where we’re at now, sh!ts all f’up now....

First Dinesh, then Hunter, now Warren. And that’s just the big 3, who’s next...

New hires incoming, 1 out of 3 ain’t bad, (I guess) I like Joe, he’s an experienced editor...

I feel like we’re a tight knit group, yea, we can agree to disagree all day, that’s the fun of it all, varied opinions...

But Tell made a good point, a lot of times (not all) you run into those fans that feel entitled, they feel like any drastic change to a beloved character, is the creator pushing an agenda...

Also, more to Tells point, those same fans be quick to point out, that it’s to many black characters in the Justice League/McDuffie Run, as if the world outside your window, is all WHITE, (escapism, based on reality though, right?) then comes the, diversity is being showed down our throats, how so? Oh, the Justice League should be all white characters, Got It!....

I will concede that, changing an established characters ethnicity/gender/sexual preference never bodes well, it does feel like a cheap way to grab some attention and sell a few extra books. But history shows, that sh!t can work in a publishers favor. Black Nick Fury was cool because it was out of continuity, until he blew the F’up in the MCU, now those entitled fans want to cry foul. What they fail to realize is, the movie-goers don’t give a F%#&, only the hardcore fans that’s been collecting since we was kids, know that Nick Fury is white in the comics. Also, Miles stepping in to fill Peters shoes worked out as well, so much so that they added Miles to the 616...

I don’t read much Marvel anymore, I don’t like their business tactics. So someone would have to enlighten me about these agendas that they’re pushing, politics or otherwise...

I do however still read quite a few Dc books, sh!t, Snyder made Duke whole cloth, Duke’s origin is in Year Zero, the seeds were planted way back then (New 52 Era) poor kid still can’t catch a break from the Dc faithful, because it’s no way in hell, a black kid can be better at anything, when it comes to Bruce’s other sons, and daughters (Cass, Steph) for that matter. Again, this is viewed as Dc shoving diversity down people’s throat, even though none of the other Bat characters have been shelved. Smfh, those entitled fans. With that being sad, the whole two Wally thing seems a little weird, lol...

And as far as Valiant goes, I’ve been around since 2012, and while I don’t have every single book released since then, I mean, come on man, I never touched Dead Drop. I’m not aware of any agenda being shoved down our throats by Valiant, politically or otherwise. If so, please point it out for me, I’ll have no problem pulling out said issue, so I can see what I obviously glanced over....

#StayValiant

I don't read much Marvel, so I can't speak for them, but with regards to Duke and Batman, it is the same thing as with Valiant.

Both Duke and the Valiant roster haev earnt their positions as opposed to their positions being handed to them. As long as Valiant doesn't start making changes for the sake of change and allows the characters to earn their roles, then the diversity quiestion is null and void.

To sum this up, my personal rule is characters first.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about.

No, I just don't want it in my entertainment. We are bombarded with politics and partisanship relentlessly all day long. People are free to air their opinions. Super. Just don't expect I'll enjoy it in my entertainment or pay for it.

That said, I sometimes enjoy a comic exploring a broad concept like free will, as VH1 Magnus did.

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Jmatt more skilfully summed up in about 50 words what took me about 300 And yes I don’t mind some broad political perspectives being explored, in fact it’s quite interesting, but not when it’s relentlessly from one political persuasion.

[Dallow Spicer1]

And as far as Valiant goes, I’ve been around since 2012, and while I don’t have every single book released since then, I mean, come on man, I never touched Dead Drop. I’m not aware of any agenda being shoved down our throats by Valiant, politically or otherwise. If so, please point it out for me, I’ll have no problem pulling out said issue, so I can see what I obviously glanced over....

#StayValiant

One book springs to mind, the one shot 4001ad Shadowman by Jody Houser and Rafer Roberts. I haven’t read it since it came out but from memory the subtext to this book was basically an anti-Trump message in relation to his immigration policies.

Also there was a line in the ‘Winter Wonderland’ Faith special (note to Greg* this was the war on Christmas issue ) whereby they referenced ‘getting gendered’ or something like that. Only one line but in the context of current political agendas that seem to be playing out (I’m looking at you Canada on this one) it seemed unnecessary and ‘forced’.

[lorddunlow]

Sh!t was all good just a week ago, (3 months real time ) look where we’re at now, sh!ts all f’up now....

First Dinesh, then Hunter, now Warren. And that’s just the big 3, who’s next...

New hires incoming, 1 out of 3 ain’t bad, (I guess) I like Joe, he’s an experienced editor...

I feel like we’re a tight knit group, yea, we can agree to disagree all day, that’s the fun of it all, varied opinions...

But Tell made a good point, a lot of times (not all) you run into those fans that feel entitled, they feel like any drastic change to a beloved character, is the creator pushing an agenda...

Also, more to Tells point, those same fans be quick to point out, that it’s to many black characters in the Justice League/McDuffie Run, as if the world outside your window, is all WHITE, (escapism, based on reality though, right?) then comes the, diversity is being showed down our throats, how so? Oh, the Justice League should be all white characters, Got It!....

I will concede that, changing an established characters ethnicity/gender/sexual preference never bodes well, it does feel like a cheap way to grab some attention and sell a few extra books. But history shows, that sh!t can work in a publishers favor. Black Nick Fury was cool because it was out of continuity, until he blew the F’up in the MCU, now those entitled fans want to cry foul. What they fail to realize is, the movie-goers don’t give a F%#&, only the hardcore fans that’s been collecting since we was kids, know that Nick Fury is white in the comics. Also, Miles stepping in to fill Peters shoes worked out as well, so much so that they added Miles to the 616...

I don’t read much Marvel anymore, I don’t like their business tactics. So someone would have to enlighten me about these agendas that they’re pushing, politics or otherwise...

I do however still read quite a few Dc books, sh!t, Snyder made Duke whole cloth, Duke’s origin is in Year Zero, the seeds were planted way back then (New 52 Era) poor kid still can’t catch a break from the Dc faithful, because it’s no way in hell, a black kid can be better at anything, when it comes to Bruce’s other sons, and daughters (Cass, Steph) for that matter. Again, this is viewed as Dc shoving diversity down people’s throat, even though none of the other Bat characters have been shelved. Smfh, those entitled fans. With that being sad, the whole two Wally thing seems a little weird, lol...

And as far as Valiant goes, I’ve been around since 2012, and while I don’t have every single book released since then, I mean, come on man, I never touched Dead Drop. I’m not aware of any agenda being shoved down our throats by Valiant, politically or otherwise. If so, please point it out for me, I’ll have no problem pulling out said issue, so I can see what I obviously glanced over....

#StayValiant

well said!

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[OhioValiantNut]

The consensus the other day at my LCS was that VEI is crashing and burning like the Hindenburg.

Good stories. Good art. Both create passionate fans.

Ten thousand variant covers for each issue. Not so much. At least not in my case.

That said, I remain a diehard with Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, and Bloodshot ... because I love those characters and VEI has managed to be consistent with them unlike the trainwreck that is now Shadowman and Manowar to a lesser degree.

I look forward to VEI2 once actual film footage of VD Bloodshot is previewed.

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The consensus the other day at my LCS was that VEI is crashing and burning like the Hindenburg.

Consensus at my LCS was that VEI wouldn't last a year. That was 2012.

[WrathOfArmstrong]

Ten thousand variant covers for each issue. Not so much. At least not in my case.

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I have to agree. I don't mind doubling down to get a cool cover, but anything more than 2, and every issue, it loses my interest... and thus my desire to collect the singles. So rather then them having 2-3+ sales per customer per issue, they now have someone that might get one or might just trade wait. But I don't know what the answer is to get a small company to match Marvel and DC. Flooding the market with other media... toys, games, shows, movies, whatever, would be the only way to do that.

Why Valiant doesn't have Funko Pops (aside from Faith) is ridiculous. There have to be as many fans of Valiant characters willing to buy the pops as there are of iZombie fans or (insert random tv show or movie that's gotten pops that isn't a classic/franchise or part of the big two).

That said, I think this is a new beginning for VEI. I hope it leads to something greater, but for me, the continuity is what will determine if I stay on board more than anything else. The least they could do is a NEW 52/REBIRTH style relaunch where some cataclysmic event restarts the universe...

[leonmallett]

Diversity is great, I'm a white dude and I find white dudes played out. Most the time people complain about diversity, or "PC culture", or "SJWs", or "politics in comics" they usually just want people to shut up about opinions they don't like or subjects don't want to think about. Especially when it's based solely on expectations based on previous work history.

[leonmallett]

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Why Valiant doesn't have Funko Pops (aside from Faith) is ridiculous. There have to be as many fans of Valiant characters willing to buy the pops as there are of iZombie fans or (insert random tv show or movie that's gotten pops that isn't a classic/franchise or part of the big two).
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Comics sell in thousands, TV and movie audiences are in the millions.

[WrathOfArmstrong]

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Why Valiant doesn't have Funko Pops (aside from Faith) is ridiculous. There have to be as many fans of Valiant characters willing to buy the pops as there are of iZombie fans or (insert random tv show or movie that's gotten pops that isn't a classic/franchise or part of the big two).
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Comics sell in thousands, TV and movie audiences are in the millions.

True but, they are making SAGA pops. Which is like double of Valiant's assumed sales...

I watch iZombie. I read the comic. I don't need to own a funko pop of Liv. Is it Funko not doing their research or is it VEI not doing their side of the promotion.

I'd be interested in some insider information on how many pops funko expects to sell per license. I assume there are pop collectors that buy everything, but you'd have to think Valiant could outsell a CW show. I can't imagine they produced a million Liv Moores. They do limited runs. Why wouldn't a low run for Valiant's icon's make sense? I would think this has something more to do with VEI than with Funko. write off the license for the run as advertising. Like them or not, funko pops are a cultural status symbol. And they could get valiant in the eyes of people that might wonder who/what that is.

Saga has been around the same length of time as the new VEI universe.... just saying...I want my action figures VEI.