One Valiant comic to not return . . .

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:14 pm

Serenity wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Serenity wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Serenity wrote:
riftt wrote:geomancer
psi-lords
dr. mirage
archer & armstrong
timewalker
visitor
secret weapons
armorines
hard corps
Why Dr. Mirage?
Why Archer&Armstrong?
Why Dr. Mirage?
Why Archer&Armstrong?

Serenity · Post by **Serenity** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:15 pm

Eric Jackson wrote:you all should give dr mirage some more credit. It was a great book, one of my favorite from the valiant universe!

i'd love to see it in print again.

As would I.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:19 pm

Dr. Mirage was a great book. I enjoyed every issue until they slept together during Chaos Effect.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:30 pm

How come?

I liked every issue till the end (just another series that had a direction but was canceled mid stream...)

Serenity · Post by **Serenity** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:34 pm

jedimarley wrote:
Serenity wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Serenity wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Serenity wrote: Why Dr. Mirage?
Why Archer&Armstrong?
Why Dr. Mirage?
Why Archer&Armstrong?

BTW, I agree...Why Archer&Armstrong? I thought it was pretty good.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:37 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:How come?

I liked every issue till the end (just another series that had a direction but was canceled mid stream...)

I felt the crux of the story was how the couple dealt with Hwen being a phantom. How to eat? How to tell mom? How to do the whoopie? Once they got over that hump the 'tension' was gone. Thats just me though.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:07 pm

You gotta consider that post Chaos the tension returned. His having gone... um... "solid" as it were was a plot device so Carmen would get pregnant for later stories.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:28 am

Dr. Mirage was cool, and I still also want to know, Why Archer & Armstrong, but it looks like we won't get an answer and this will all become an inside joke!

Whazzup, Jedi?

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:29 pm

riftt wrote:geomancer
psi-lords
dr. mirage
archer & armstrong
timewalker
visitor
secret weapons
armorines
hard corps

Why Archer & Armstrong?

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:32 pm

Seriously though, I never could get into Dr. Mirage; Secret Weapons seemed forced; and, at that time, Valiant could have done either limited series for books like HardCorps and Armorines, or had some sort of "Valiant Comics Presents" series to include these groups and other characters.

JMHO.

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:24 pm

slym2none wrote:Seriously though, I never could get into Dr. Mirage; Secret Weapons seemed forced; and, at that time, Valiant could have done either limited series for books like HardCorps and Armorines, or had some sort of "Valiant Comics Presents" series to include these groups and other characters.

JMHO.

-slym

I was never a big fan of Dr. Mirage either, I think in retrospect you're right, a limited series would have probably sufficed for DM, HC, SW & Armorines.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:39 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:I think in retrospect you're right, a limited series would have probably sufficed for DM, HC, SW & Armorines.

Seriously?

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:44 pm

slym2none wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:I think in retrospect you're right, a limited series would have probably sufficed for DM, HC, SW & Armorines.
Seriously?

-slym

Yep.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:59 pm

See, I CAN actually make meaningful comments!

-slym (who knew???)

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:25 am

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:25 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:You gotta consider that post Chaos the tension returned. His having gone... um... "solid" as it were was a plot device so Carmen would get pregnant for later stories.

In a way it did but never to the same degree. The stakes were not as high. Mirage's ability to go solid once a day meant life was much easier for him and Carmen. The focus had to shift away from them (my favourite part of the book) and to the paranormal. That's fine but the writing also started to suck big time.

I remember in the Walt Willey issue Mirage and Carmen are researching the origins of Walt's tattoo. They say the culture its from didnt get records. How it will be super hard to find anything. They stay up all night looking and then all of a sudden Carmen finds it. A little out of the blue but okay.
THEN, next panel "A few mintues later"
Carmen says (approx) "after looking at the information I've decided its bad"! Thats it, no explanition as to what the tattoo means, what the information she found was, where she found it. They go on to explain why its bad and who the bad guys are but nothing more than the bare minimum

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:29 pm

That is crappy writing, but I liked the idea of a human/necromantic creature hybrid and think it could have been done reallygood.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:36 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:That is crappy writing, but I liked the idea of a human/necromantic creature hybrid and think it could have been done reallygood.

The issue before was just as bad (#12 and #13 I think). The series seemed to get back on track after that (too bad it ended so soon after) but I still think the fact that Hwen could go solid once a day made things far too easy for them.

I agree, the idea was a very good one. Mirage had a large role to play in the Valiant universe. He was the real protagonist to Darques' antagonist. Sandria kept saying he was the one and that he was supposed to be the next Master of necromantic energy. I think his child would have been just as important. Sadly, Chaos pushed the series too fast into becoming what it was slowly leading too and by the time it figured itself out again they pulled the plug

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:40 pm

I'd like to see a new Dr Mirage series, but not the crappy idea Perlham was gonna publish.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:40 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:I'd like to see a new Dr Mirage series, but not the crappy idea Perlham was gonna publish.

What was that?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:42 pm

The artwork was like Bruce Timm's designs for the Batman and Superman animated series, Hwen looked like an amalgam of Dr Strange and Dr Mirage, and Carmen was an amalgam of Carmen and Tomb Raider.

The only highpoints was that Aram was back to being the Aram we know from VH 1, and Master Darque was Pinky again instead of a Rod Stwart/Constantine wanna be.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:44 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:The artwork was like Bruce Timm's designs for the Batman and Superman animated series, Hwen looked like an amalgam of Dr Strange and Dr Mirage, and Carmen was an amalgam of Carmen and Tomb Raider.

The only highpoints was that Aram was back to being the Aram we know from VH 1, and Master Darque was Pinky again instead of a Rod Stwart/Constantine wanna be.

Did they ever release that book?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:45 pm

Nope, thankfully.

Anthony (poster known as Blood of Heroes) posted some character designs from it in the VALIANT mailing list (which doesn't exist anymore).

Maybe you can email him so he can show them to you.

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:47 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Nope, thankfully.

Anthony (poster known as Blood of Heroes) posted some character designs from it in the VALIANT mailing list (which doesn't exist anymore).

Maybe you can email him so he can show them to you.

Will do. Where can I find his email address? Is he a board member?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:49 pm

Yeah. He hasn't posted in like forever, but you can find him in the memberlist.