Valiant Dominates 2016 Harvey Nominations

[Keith]

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[greg]

DOMINATES is an understatement!

This is a big deal... there's no "rabid fan activity" that (we) caused this...

"the Harvey awards are voted on exclusively by comic book creators."

"Nominations for the Harvey Awards are selected exclusively by creators – those who write, draw, ink, letter, color, design, edit or are otherwise involved in a creative capacity in the comics field. They are the only industry awards both nominated and selected by the full body of comic book professionals."

[Tony_H]

I'm glad to see the number of nominations due The Valiant, Divinity and Bloodshot, but it's extra nice to know that the teams for Ninjak and Wrath have gotten some recognition and respect.

[nonplayer]

This reminds me of an open pole a wile ago that Valiant fans got wind of and we all went in and placed a vote for Valiant. the administratior to it get all peeved and said we were cheeters. Glad to see Valiant get recognised for real this time.

[TheeBaldMoose]

Going through this list, they might as well change the name to

The 2016 Valiant Nominations

So many nominations, but then again, so much talent!

[Ramses818]

You know I wonder what the bias against valiant is. Because when I went to read the comments people are complaining that this is somehow rigged or maybe the awards just don't matter. I thought like all of you, that this is voted on by industry professionals only, so there's no way it's rabid fans could influence it. Well according to the comments we're wrong. Some of the comments are saying that "only valiant went ahead and stuffed the box". It's amazing to me that they just can't give the company credit for the great work that they're producing. The massive amount of people that are involved to make this happen don't deserve that kind of disrespect for their hard work. Anyway enough of that rant, congratulations to all the nominees! you so deserve it! . And I feel very sorry for some of you guys competing against each other in the same categories. But at least you know you're in good company of quality people doing high-quality work.

[Psiot X]

I've thought for a long time that they were making the best comics in the industry and the working pros agree. Fans who don't know who votes on this or how big inside the industry the Harvey's are won't understand. Makes a lot of supposed pro comic book review sites look bad. Good for Valiant. I just wish I could believe that it will translate into more dollar signs for them so I can get more good comicbooks.

However, as things stand I feel the head honcho should buy lots of pizza for an office party or just have it delivered to everyone's home to celebrate. Poppa Johns has this new double layer pepperoni on special I think most creators would love. Pepsi and Mnt Dew at good price too.

[TheeBaldMoose]

You know I wonder what the bias against valiant is. Because when I went to read the comments people are complaining that this is somehow rigged or maybe the awards just don't matter. I thought like all of you, that this is voted on by industry professionals only, so there's no way it's rabid fans could influence it. Well according to the comments we're wrong. Some of the comments are saying that "only valiant went ahead and stuffed the box". It's amazing to me that they just can't give the company credit for the great work that they're producing. The massive amount of people that are involved to make this happen don't deserve that kind of disrespect for their hard work. Anyway enough of that rant, congratulations to all the nominees! you so deserve it! . And I feel very sorry for some of you guys competing against each other in the same categories. But at least you know you're in good company of quality people doing high-quality work.

I was wondering some of the same things as you were, but isn't it the job of the company to nominate their employees? I am sure there was a memo put out asking for nominations, and Valiant said "Here is what we have, they are all awesome. You pick the winners". The "Industry Professionals" may have their own that they loved, and nominated what "they" (individually) thought were the best. This would allow such a large amount of Valiant nominations.

Seriously, if you are in the business of creating comics, and you are not nominating your people for awards, then aren't you failing as a comic book company? Wouldn't you want to raise your people up, show off their talents? Valiant has a stable of studs and stud-ets, amazing artists and story tellers. Wouldn't you want to parade them around?

Hells, it's like dating the Prom Queen and one of the runners up, and they are cool with it....

[agent_graves]

The recognition, is well deserved!!

[lorddunlow]

This is great news! Seems like some professionals are being a little *SQUEE* about it though by the response on Twitter.

I don't get it.

[betterthanezra]

Last year I remember Valiant being shut out of any Harvey Awards...

Safe to say that will NOT happen this year

-Brian

[jmatt]

Wonderful news.

[SwiftMann]

That's a nauseating level of ballot box stuffing. In the categories the 50 nominations are in have 40 other nominations. Total.

The nominations come from industry professionals. Anyone in the industry can vote. That doesn't mean everyone, or even many, do. What Valiant Entertainment has been doing the past two years is, likely, having all their staff vote for their books and creators. Is it against the nomination rules? No. Is it ballot box stuffing? Absolutely. From one report, "eligible voters can list five nominees on their ballot for each category, and they can list the same nominee all five times if they want."

While Raul Allen and Robert Gill aren't exactly "new" talent (both being published for about five years), at least none of the nominations were as egregiously bad as Jen Van Meter's new talent nom last year despite the fact that she's an almost 20 year vet.

This isn't new. CrossGen did this 15 years ago. Got mostly the same results too. No wins.

[dornwolf]

This is great news! Seems like some professionals are being a little *SQUEE* about it though by the response on Twitter.

I don't get it.

Probably because they work at the big two or Image only and feel those should be the only books that win anything

[Ramses818]

You know I wonder what the bias against valiant is. Because when I went to read the comments people are complaining that this is somehow rigged or maybe the awards just don't matter. I thought like all of you, that this is voted on by industry professionals only, so there's no way it's rabid fans could influence it. Well according to the comments we're wrong. Some of the comments are saying that "only valiant went ahead and stuffed the box". It's amazing to me that they just can't give the company credit for the great work that they're producing. The massive amount of people that are involved to make this happen don't deserve that kind of disrespect for their hard work. Anyway enough of that rant, congratulations to all the nominees! you so deserve it! . And I feel very sorry for some of you guys competing against each other in the same categories. But at least you know you're in good company of quality people doing high-quality work.

I was wondering some of the same things as you were, but isn't it the job of the company to nominate their employees? I am sure there was a memo put out asking for nominations, and Valiant said "Here is what we have, they are all awesome. You pick the winners". The "Industry Professionals" may have their own that they loved, and nominated what "they" (individually) thought were the best. This would allow such a large amount of Valiant nominations.

Seriously, if you are in the business of creating comics, and you are not nominating your people for awards, then aren't you failing as a comic book company? Wouldn't you want to raise your people up, show off their talents? Valiant has a stable of studs and stud-ets, amazing artists and story tellers. Wouldn't you want to parade them around?

Hells, it's like dating the Prom Queen and one of the runners up, and they are cool with it....

I agree. Promote your team! go Valiant! Greg I need a cheerleader emoji! Lol

[Psiot X]

That's a nauseating level of ballot box stuffing. In the categories the 50 nominations are in have 40 other nominations. Total.

The nominations come from industry professionals. Anyone in the industry can vote. That doesn't mean everyone, or even many, do. What Valiant Entertainment has been doing the past two years is, likely, having all their staff vote for their books and creators. Is it against the nomination rules? No. Is it ballot box stuffing? Absolutely. From one report, "eligible voters can list five nominees on their ballot for each category, and they can list the same nominee all five times if they want."

While Raul Allen and Robert Gill aren't exactly "new" talent (both being published for about five years), at least none of the nominations were as egregiously bad as Jen Van Meter's new talent nom last year despite the fact that she's an almost 20 year vet.

This isn't new. CrossGen did this 15 years ago. Got mostly the same results too. No wins.

There is that in me that wants to rail at you. I am not going to accuse Valiant of cheating the ballots. I don't KNOW that they did. If nothing else they were motivated. DC Comics is a primary sponsor of the awards. As such, you don't think they tell their guys n gals to vote?

Geesh. I would love to look at this nomination frenzy as a positive and I hope it doesn't turn into the kind of negative no one wants.

[DirtbagSailor]

This isn't new. CrossGen did this 15 years ago. Got mostly the same results too. No wins.

How can it be the "same result" of "no wins" if the results are not even out yet?

Every publisher and creative talent has the EXACT SAME ability to nominate. If they chose not to, or failed to due to whatever reason that is their own internal issue that they may want to take a closer look at.

Valiant is NOT the largest publisher; not even close. Their staff numbers are likely far below that of Marvel, D.C., Image, and Dark Horse. To say the small publisher somehow overpowered the system to such a degree that others could not compete is like saying a salmon killed all the sharks.

Time will soon let us know what will, or will not result from these well-deserved nominations within the established system and rules in-place. However, it is the job of any business and/or organizational leader to take care of, promote, and seek recognition for their business and/or organization as well as the men/women who create their products.

If another publisher failed to pay attention to submission deadlines, didn't take the time or make the effort to nominate their "valued" employees, or simply forgot while re-booting their line once again, then it is on them.

Valiant Entertainment did what a publisher was supposed to do.

[Shadowman99]

Won't be getting excited about this until Valiant actually win something. Which, by the looks of things, actually might be fairly likely this time around given that they occupy 4/5 nominations in some categories. Having said that, considering that other year that they got completely shut out I still won't be surprised to see that happening to some degree this year.

If other creators don't like seeing the award nominations going to one company (Valiant) in the majority then perhaps they ought to get off their arses and put some nominations of their own in the box rather than waiting for votes for their comic(s) to happen - nobody ever achieved anything by sitting around waiting for things to happen, and if Valiant achieved this by 'stuffing the box' then good on 'em: it shows they're actually out their actively trying to achieve goals, which is apparently more than some other companies are doing.

[DirtbagSailor]

In The Art of War, Sun Tzu’s wrote:

A clever commander, therefore, avoids the enemy when his spirit is keen and attacks him when it is lost...

It is also said that in war and in buisness, complacency is not an option.

[DirtbagSailor]

...and then this happened.

http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/ ... tions.html

[Ramses818]

Wow do I feel dumber for reading it. Why do we even post this stuff? This guy is essentially a working troll. He even tries to further bait us by saying "there are all 5 of Valiants fan." Paraphrasing for those keeping track. He says in his about the author section that he is a humor journalist. I don't feel he is either of those things but that's why I don't go to that website. Let's not promote this *SQUEE* that only wants to use us by mocking us so more people will traffic his article and website. I learned from the "best of" debacle that he refers to, haters gonna hate. When the results are not what they want then they yell "fraud!" Or "cheater!" even though ALL OF THEIR RULES WERE FOLLOWED! I can not stress that point enough. So let's enjoy the great books that Valiant puts out and never mind the trolls and haters.

[greg]

That website is named after the place you go to take a dump.
His articles are as bright as what is written in a stall.

There's not a single Valiant fan who had ANY impact on the Harvey Award Nominations.
It doesn't matter if there are 5 of us, or 3,297, as of this post.

31,243 website users at ValiantFans.com in the past 12 months according to Google Analytics.

Or 5, if you're writing from inside a stall.

But seriously, check out the headlines from the author (who also runs that website):
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Every publisher sucks... all the time. We should be proud he has turned his attention to Valiant. After all, we should only be 1% of his concern.

[greg]

I would not be surprised if Valiant doesn't win again this year. Every nomination with a Valiant choice also has a non-Valiant choice. Most have several Valiant choices. Even voters who choose Valiant may split their votes among the options. It's likely that Marvel, DC, and Image will not enjoy being shown up by Valiant, so bigger publisher retaliation (or vote-for-ourselves) votes will be for the non-Valiant choice.

Valiant is attempting to break the "two-party" monopoly, and third parties rarely get a "win" when it comes to final vote counts.

[bygranddesign]

I do think its legit to question the voting process when Valiant dominates to this degree.

But that article doesn't want to delve into insightful ways of correcting the process or providing any credit to a small but VERY enthusiastic fanbase or wonder why there is seemingly a lack of passion from other companies when it comes to the nominating process ... Instead it spews a bunch of condescending bull *SQUEE* with 90% having nothing to do with the Harvey Awards and just an attempt to belittle a fanbase for their excitement.

The Amazon review criticism being the most asinine and pointless in a sea of turd sewage that was that article

[Shadowman99]

This Jude 'Terror' guy, what a loser

"Valiant sign 5 artists to exclusive contracts per week"... ... ...What?!

Love that he thinks Valiant fans are rigging everything and anything to do with promoting Valiant.
Turning up to a website to vote for Valiant to win competitions, same as everyone else is allowed to do - cheating
Turning up to Amazon to review trades, same as everyone else is allowed to do - cheating
Totally legit practices, nothing wrong with 'em

The only thing that bugging him here in this article is that he KNOWS Vfans have had no input into the Harvey awards nomination process, so he instead suggests that Valiant itself has cheated. As I said above; if Valiant creators are the only people that got off their arses and cast nominations for the awards when nobody from any other company did then they deserve to dominate the whole thing - fair's fair here

And Jude 'Terror'. Seriously I bet the only terrifying thing about him is his BO.