New Valiant Characters?

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:15 pm

Knightt_333 wrote:Nope, very bad idea... wait for a polished product and the wait will be worth it by far. Screw it up now and you loose momentum, initiative and a fan base.

Best just to wait and do it right.

I couldn't agree more!

Why confuse your fan base (if there can be such a thing after all these years besides us

) with new characters. Do it right and bring back the characters we love to start with. Then sprinkle in some "new blood" every now and again to add some more depth to the universe.

Chris

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:14 am

What was the name of the girl from Harbinger that joined the team after they came back from Unity?

Shatiqua. I don't remember if they ever gave her a code name.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:53 am

dellamorte wrote:
What was the name of the girl from Harbinger that joined the team after they came back from Unity?
Shatiqua. I don't remember if they ever gave her a code name.

I do believe that you are correct!

On another subject, I don't think that Shooter would be too keen on giving anither whirl with Valiant as it has always seemed to back fire on him. That really sucks, but the truth is the truth!

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:45 am

xounitylord wrote:Do you think that the new "REAL" owners of Valiant should just start with new characters until all of the legal stuff is over? That way we get new Valiant books, and they could just reintoduce the other characters later. Good or bad idea?

That's not a bad idea if they did it right. It would have to "worthy" if you know what I mean

But it takes a long time for a new company to get a comic on the shelf anyway. It takes 5 or 6 monthes just to get your first issue on the shelf and that's AFTER you recruit talents, develop concepts, and make the comic. So it would take a long time to get Valiant back on the shelf even without the legal crap.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:20 am

The only problem with this plan is that it smells too much like VH 2.

First the new owners spend close to a million to get the original VALIANT characters and then they have to spend more money to develop new properties.

They would have been better off getting the tradermarks and the VALIANT logo to develop a whole new universe.

New characters isn't a bad idea, but they shouldn't be used to relaunch the universe.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:57 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:The only problem with this plan is that it smells too much like VH 2.

First the new owners spend close to a million to get the original VALIANT characters and then they have to spend more money to develop new properties.

They would have been better off getting the tradermarks and the VALIANT logo to develop a whole new universe.

New characters isn't a bad idea, but they shouldn't be used to relaunch the universe.

Dude, you must really be the only guy on the planet that gets off SLAMMING THE HELL OUT OF VH-2! Dude, we didn't say to relaunch the new universe or to redefine pre existing characters, it was an idea to make ALL NEW CHARACTERS for the time being until they can get the copyrights sorted out on the older characters and start printing them as well. No changes to them noe reboots being talked about here, just fresh, new Valint like characters(Of the VH-1 Quality, preferably!).

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:17 pm

The problem with the trademarks doesn't stop the new owners from publishing the copyrights they own. At worst they just need to come up with new titles for Eternal Warrior, Bloodshot, and a few others and that's easy. Bloodshot for example could be called Rising Spirit and still be Angelo Mortalli's story.

The new owners don't need new characters(=copyrights), they may end up needing new names (=trademarks).

Torque · Post by **Torque** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:39 pm

One thing the no one seems to have mentioned is that maybe the new owners don't want anything with revamping the "Valiant Universe" in comic book form. There's a very high probability that owners have purchased the rights to the characters so that they can make a greater profit by marketing the characters as: "Movie Ideas," "Books," "Video Games," "Toys," etc. There's not that much money these days in non-entrenched comic book companies. Even the big name comic book companies are making contacts in the Movie Industry to bring in more cash flow. Look at Marvel; they’ve done a great job at expanding their business model to realize revenue for new sources.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:45 pm

Welcome to the boards Torque, I'm sure that the new owners won't neglect the potential movie deals, but just getting the characters back into print so people can get reacquainted with them will probably be the case first.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:33 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Welcome to the boards Torque, I'm sure that the new owners won't neglect the potential movie deals, but just getting the characters back into print so people can get reacquainted with them will probably be the case first.

I completely agree! They have to rebuild the creditability of the Valiant universe befor they try making toys or movies. And God Help Us, If they get Turok, I hope that they have a new video game studio work on it as the last one was total *SQUEE*! Welcome, Torque!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:48 am

I remember that a few years ago, before the board existed and we only had the mailing list, Acclaim was going to make a HARD Corps video game and one of the guys from the list/fan fic site was going to work on it or something.

I said that the video game wouldn't work without a comic to help promote it and the response I got was that they didn't need comics to make the video games.

I hope the new owners don't have the same attitude when it comes to TV shows and/or movies, heh.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:56 pm

Knightt_333 wrote:Nope, very bad idea... wait for a polished product and the wait will be worth it by far. Screw it up now and you loose momentum, initiative and a fan base.

Best just to wait and do it right.

I couldn't have said it better! (Or more succinct.)

-slym

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:26 pm

xounitylord wrote:
I completely agree! They have to rebuild the creditability of the Valiant universe befor they try making toys or movies. And God Help Us, If they get Turok, I hope that they have a new video game studio work on it as the last one was total *SQUEE*! Welcome, Torque!

Yeah Turok Evolution was a dissapointment. If it had
been a great game & sold millions, Acclaim may not have
gone bankrupt (for a while longer anyway).

Buena Vista gained the rights to Turok games now, it will be interesting
to see what they do with it.
http://www.digitalbackspin.com/adm/temp ... 6&zoneid=4

DAN

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:35 pm

Yeah, I had heard that Disney had a hold on the Turok Video Game rights, I just hope that it end up as a good game. It just might if they get the studio that did Trun 2.0 to work on it. It just might be the best one yet. You guys may find this as a bad thing or what, I really could give or take ANY of the Turok games thus far, I'll mplay them, all except the last one which was just rubbish! :x

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:36 pm

sonicdan wrote:
Buena Vista gained the rights to Turok games now, it will be interesting
to see what they do with it.
http://www.digitalbackspin.com/adm/temp ... 6&zoneid=4

DAN

They have some big shoes to fill, the N64 Turok's were very well done and fun to play.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:15 pm

Hmm? N64 Turok Games were Okay at best, I thought that they were a little overated, but then, I feel the same way about Golden Eye for the same system, although, I will play Turok before Golden Eve any day!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:28 pm

xounitylord wrote:Hmm? N64 Turok Games were Okay at best, I thought that they were a little overated, but then, I feel the same way about Golden Eye for the same system, although, I will play Turok before Golden Eve any day!

Golden Eye was another great game that received a lot of high praise (and awards). I don't know what kind of games you are used to playing, but both Turok and Golden Eye were some of the best games made for the N64.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:19 pm

dudes, Goldeneye was the original Halo. if you werent good at goldeneye multiplayer, you shoulda set your N64 controller down and gone and played hopscotch. y'know, turok games are what actually got me into valiant comics. for the whole story, check my thread out in the 'My Valiant Story' joint.

anyway, if they make do come out with a new valiant universe, they would have to find some other way of explaining it. solar can only create one universe before that tale gets old.

but i dont think new guys should come in to play. if they want new guys, they can make a wole other universe for them. the 'Valiant' Universe should have 'Valiant' characters.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:21 pm

dellamorte wrote:There is nothing wrong with new characters and the new owners will need some eventually. But to lead in with a new character would be suicide.

Agreed.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:58 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
xounitylord wrote:Hmm? N64 Turok Games were Okay at best, I thought that they were a little overated, but then, I feel the same way about Golden Eye for the same system, although, I will play Turok before Golden Eve any day!
Golden Eye was another great game that received a lot of high praise (and awards). I don't know what kind of games you are used to playing, but both Turok and Golden Eye were some of the best games made for the N64.

The problem here is that the N64 was not that great of a system, and just because it got awards don't make it the greatest. And it's not that I couldn't play the games either, as I love first person shooter, but if I'm gonna' play Deathmatch games, I'm gonna' go with the king because you can't beat the Quake series. The single player version of Golden Eye was terrible! The enemies were horribly stupid and the murky graphics really didn't help it! The Turok games were foggier than San Francisco on a cold January morning. Plus, I have been playing platformers for years and have NEVER had so much trouble jumping. You are right, I don't play these games because I have better games to play. On the N64 even you had Quake, and Quake II, Doom 64, Duke Nukem 64 (Even though the Saturn Version was superior to both N64, and PS), and Diakatana. These games blow Golden Eye and Turok out of the water. And yes, Golden Eye was the first Halo, which is'nt very impressive either! Play Half Life 2 or DOOM III, the games are MUCH better!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:58 pm

xounitylord wrote:The problem here is that the N64 was not that great of a system, and just because it got awards don't make it the greatest. :

Awards do not make it the greatest? What does then? It's too bad you don't care for either the Turok games or Goldeneye, but there are a whole bunch of gamers who do think they are great. I am one of them; I also did not have the problems with the N64 that you obviously had.

Whether you like them or hate them the fact remains, they were great games. The rest is just personal preference.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:20 pm

I lost a year of my life to Goldeneye on the N64. I loved the single player but the 4 player split screen wars were the best.

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