Valiant Movies...DC to Marvel to Valiant

[eschnit]

Watching Superman and Batman movies as a kid in the 80s, and collecting Marvel and Valiant shortly after, when X-Men came out in 2000 and was really good, figured many Marvel movies would follow. Missed out on Marvel with a market cap of $500MM at the time, which about 10 years later sold out to Disney for $40 billion, different story.

Question is, though Marvel had a huge following before any movies came along, built up from generations starting in the early 60s, even with Spidey cartoons, Bixby/Ferrigno's Hulk, etc., what might the future look like for the Valiant universe in TV/Film?

Bloodshot and Harbinger Wars are on the short term horizon. But over the last 15 years, we've seen what a dozen iterations of X-Men movies, a handful of Spiderman and Hulk, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Daredevil, The Avengers, Fantastic Four, and on and on.

Might we see Valiant take off, where Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior, and Rai become mainstream, household names? A Unity movie...or Divinity? Shadowman or Dr. Mirage TV shows?

Seems they have vision, and money backing them. The characters and storylines pull you in. Anyone in the know?

[FormerReader]

Might we see Valiant take off, where Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior, and Rai become mainstream, household names? A Unity movie...or Divinity? Shadowman or Dr. Mirage TV shows?

I think we're all hoping this to be the case, but we have to be realistic how hard it will be to get there. In the meantime I would be happy for a movie that is well done. Baby steps.

[DirtbagSailor]

It does not take as much as you might think to make something take off.

A film can come out (good or bad) that would simply double or triple the demand/market for Valiant overnight. Most here agree that the quality is there, and math tells us that the numbers are low.

People in general like what is familiar; they like the social relevance of what they spend their money and time on. For example, millions of people know the name SUPERMAN, and are able to recognize the character. At a party someone might ask "Hey dude, are you going to see B vs S this weekend?" and have it be considered more widely understood and/or acceptable than perhaps "Hey dude, are you going to read the 4001 A.D. cross-over event this Summer?" because most people would have zero clue what that means.

However, with increased exposure comes increased social relevance. Once a movie hits theaters (good or bad) the statement "Hey dude, are you going to see Harbinger this weekend?" might then be met with "*SQUEE* yes I'm going to see it! That *SQUEE* looks bad *SQUEE*! We're going to see it as a group in 3-D IMAX in uptown..." because of a larger sense of acceptance accompanies discussions on topics that everyone seems to be aware off, since the goal of communication (and/or small talk) is often to gain some form of social acceptance (and/or make a connection on some level of understanding).

Valiant can certainly do this, as we see from this very forum we are discussing topics on. If there are 1% of 1% of the population right now that knows what Valiant is, then you can bet that any movie and/or TV show will increase that number to a MUCH larger percentage. As a result, people will discuss Valiant more often and/or in a broader slice of the population, which in-turn creates a higher number of potential collectors, readers, cosplayers, and fans than we presently have today. It might seem that a lot would be required to make the market move, but I have personally witnessed that (presently) onely one or two motivated NEW collectors can have a HUGE impact on the Valiant market.

Also, people just want to be entertained, and often care less about the history of anything. They will watch the movies, not because Bloodshot is a comic character, but because Bloodshot kills *SQUEE* and looks cool while you eat popcorn.

[adr11]

It does not take as much as you might think to make something take off.

A film can come out (good or bad) that would simply double or triple the demand/market for Valiant overnight. Most here agree that the quality is there, and math tells us that the numbers are low.

People in general like what is familiar; they like the social relevance of what they spend their money and time on. For example, millions of people know the name SUPERMAN, and are able to recognize the character. At a party someone might ask "Hey dude, are you going to see B vs S this weekend?" and have it be considered more widely understood and/or acceptable than perhaps "Hey dude, are you going to read the 4001 A.D. cross-over event this Summer?" because most people would have zero clue what that means.

However, with increased exposure comes increased social relevance. Once a movie hits theaters (good or bad) the statement "Hey dude, are you going to see Harbinger this weekend?" might then be met with "*SQUEE* yes I'm going to see it! That *SQUEE* looks bad *SQUEE*! We're going to see it as a group in 3-D IMAX in uptown..." because of a larger sense of acceptance accompanies discussions on topics that everyone seems to be aware off, since the goal of communication (and/or small talk) is often to gain some form of social acceptance (and/or make a connection on some level of understanding).

Valiant can certainly do this, as we see from this very forum we are discussing topics on. If there are 1% of 1% of the population right now that knows what Valiant is, then you can bet that any movie and/or TV show will increase that number to a MUCH larger percentage. As a result, people will discuss Valiant more often and/or in a broader slice of the population, which in-turn creates a higher number of potential collectors, readers, cosplayers, and fans than we presently have today. It might seem that a lot would be required to make the market move, but I have personally witnessed that (presently) onely one or two motivated NEW collectors can have a HUGE impact on the Valiant market.

Also, people just want to be entertained, and often care less about the history of anything. They will watch the movies, not because Bloodshot is a comic character, but because Bloodshot kills *SQUEE* and looks cool while you eat popcorn.

The quality is definitely there. My biggest concern is sony. Can they produce great valiant films? and how much input will they allow valiant to have? If they can pull it off, I believe valiant will get taken to a whole other level

[jmatt]

My biggest concern is drowning in a sea of superhero movies. There's something like 25 DC/Marvel slated over the next 7 years.

In order to break out, Valiant movies don't need to be good superhero movies, they need to be good movies. Period. Characters that you fall in love with and empathize.

[wrunow]

In my opinion, the VEI deal with DMG is going to be key to the success of these movies. It's going to be hard to compete with the DC and Marvel movies because of budgets and also because their characters have become iconic in the English speaking countries just like Winnie the Pooh and Mickey Mouse. Valiants not there and may never be. The key, and I think it's obvious that Dinesh sees this is there are billions of people in the Asian market who are starving for content that they can latch onto, content that might have North American origins but they can assimilate into their own culture. Kind of like how some bands are bigger in Japan and their fan base is more rabid than ever in the US, like Weezer and Joan Jett. We'll get great movies because of it too, it'll be cake for all.

[DirtbagSailor]

My biggest concern is drowning in a sea of superhero movies. There's something like 25 DC/Marvel slated over the next 7 years.

In order to break out, Valiant movies don't need to be good superhero movies, they need to be good movies. Period. Characters that you fall in love with and empathize.

I keep hearing this everywhere; that people are growing tired of superhero movies.

Yet...

They are making more money than EVER!

I don't think the average person cares about a movie being a superhero based movie; I think they just like entertaining movies.

Almost nobody went to see 300 because of Frank Miller or the comic; they saw it because it was cool as *SQUEE*.

[Sven the Returned]

My biggest concern is drowning in a sea of superhero movies. There's something like 25 DC/Marvel slated over the next 7 years.

In order to break out, Valiant movies don't need to be good superhero movies, they need to be good movies. Period. Characters that you fall in love with and empathize.

I keep hearing this everywhere; that people are growing tired of superhero movies.

Yet...

They are making more money than EVER!

I don't think the average person cares about a movie being a superhero based movie; I think they just like entertaining movies.

Almost nobody went to see 300 because of Frank Miller or the comic; they saw it because it was cool as *SQUEE*.

Guardians of the Galaxy was barely a superhero movie and American Sniper made more money than Avengers. In the US at least people will get really tired of them.

[jmatt]

My biggest concern is drowning in a sea of superhero movies. There's something like 25 DC/Marvel slated over the next 7 years.

In order to break out, Valiant movies don't need to be good superhero movies, they need to be good movies. Period. Characters that you fall in love with and empathize.

I keep hearing this everywhere; that people are growing tired of superhero movies.

Yet...

They are making more money than EVER!

I don't think the average person cares about a movie being a superhero based movie; I think they just like entertaining movies.

Almost nobody went to see 300 because of Frank Miller or the comic; they saw it because it was cool as *SQUEE*.

Agreed. But I think people will be more discerning. I still haven't seen that recent Spidey movie with Rhino.

And perhaps this will work in Valiant's favor, people looking for something fresh and unknown.

[Ricomortis]

I'm kinda superhero movied out! I want originality, story/substance, and fresh ideas. I think valiant could provide that in a different way from Marvel or DC.

Just as Walking Dead has not really been about the "walking dead" but more about the survival and problems society may have to face in a crisis.

Well, I think Valiant boasts about "story" and produces on "story", so everything in me believes that they can capitalize on that. Huh... Isn't this exactly what Dino claims they are going to do? Have faith and trust.... Cause Dino has the balls to flat out scrap it if its not top notch.

JMHO

Rico

[Joshua]

I think Valiant needs to produce a really good movie with Bloodshot or else it'll kill the movies and possibly hurt the comics. It seems like so many are banking on the movies boosting book sales and it will see a boost leading up but I just hope they use the money to make something good. So far, it seems they have a good director lined up and that probably helps more than anything.