Divinity #1 price/sales tracking

[DirtbagSailor]

Can someone confirm something for me.
Rather than being ignorant, or seem silly / loosing face in the valiant community ~ Is Divinity 1 first appearance of Divinity.
What is the deal with Ivar comma time walker 1 being first appearance? I have seen this written a few times.

Cannot find my Ivar comma time walker book. Is it a preview of divinity in the back? (so not really first apperance)

From Ivar, Timewalker #1



This is a "sneak peak" for Divinity. As always, the market determines the recognized first appearance (please note that a Ivar, Timewalker #1 Gold CGC/CBCS 9.8 would sell quite well). Divinity #1 (all variants) sell for a premium, so (for now and the foreseeable future) it appears Divinity #1 is recognized as such.

[greg]

Generally speaking, the first appearance occurs in a comic where the appearance is NOT repeated in an upcoming issue.
Preview pages that are repeated in the full published issue are clearly marketing, not intended to give you the story/appearance on their own.

Since Divinity #1 is being advertised in Ivar #1 and Divinity #1 shows those same pages, it is Divinity #1 that gives the first appearance of Divinity (Abram).

Advertisements do often give a "first look" at a character, but they are specifically for marketing, to get people to purchase "the official whole story" when it is published.

The opposite would be New Teen Titans appearing in D.C. Comics Present #26.
The "preview appearance" in DCCP #26 isn't repeated in New Teen Titans #1, so their first appearance actually is in that preview.
When you read New Teen Titans #1, you have missed the earlier story and appearance that was in D.C. Comics Presents #26.

When you read Divinity #1, you haven't missed anything about Divinity from Ivar #1 because those pages in Ivar #1 were just marketing for Divinity #1.

There can definitely be value in books with previews, but the intention of the publisher was to "tease" the official first appearance, not to supersede it.

[IMJ]

Generally speaking, the first appearance occurs in a comic where the appearance is NOT repeated in an upcoming issue.
Preview pages that are repeated in the full published issue are clearly marketing, not intended to give you the story/appearance on their own.

Since Divinity #1 is being advertised in Ivar #1 and Divinity #1 shows those same pages, it is Divinity #1 that gives the first appearance of Divinity (Abram).

Advertisements do often give a "first look" at a character, but they are specifically for marketing, to get people to purchase "the official whole story" when it is published.

The opposite would be New Teen Titans appearing in D.C. Comics Present #26.
The "preview appearance" in DCCP #26 isn't repeated in New Teen Titans #1, so their first appearance actually is in that preview.
When you read New Teen Titans #1, you have missed the earlier story and appearance that was in D.C. Comics Presents #26.

When you read Divinity #1, you haven't missed anything about Divinity from Ivar #1 because those pages in Ivar #1 were just marketing for Divinity #1.

There can definitely be value in books with previews, but the intention of the publisher was to "tease" the official first appearance, not to supersede it.

I absolutely agree with this well supported opinion. But I also agree more with the fact that the market at large dictates what is accepted as a 1st appearance. However, typically it seems that the market follows the conventions that Greg has outlined, until it becomes saturated or satiated, after which collectors (and therefore the market) seek out another candidate (i.e., Darkhawk #1 vs. Marvel Age).

[Phantom]

Thankyou. Greag, DBS and IMJ
Previews the comic trade magazine would be the book of many first appearances.
So Divinity 1 is Divinity first appearance.
I have said it, and so it shall be.

[greg]

I absolutely agree with this well supported opinion. But I also agree more with the fact that the market at large dictates what is accepted as a 1st appearance. However, typically it seems that the market follows the conventions that Greg has outlined, until it becomes saturated or satiated, after which collectors (and therefore the market) seek out another candidate (i.e., Darkhawk #1 vs. Marvel Age).

The number of available copies DOES come into play sometimes.

One example is Spawn #1 vs. Malibu Sun #13. It's easy to see that Malibu Sun #13 sells for a much higher price than Spawn #1, but that's not a reflection that the market considers Malibu Sun #13 as the first appearance of Spawn. That's an indication that the demand for a preview of Spawn is higher than the supply for that preview of Spawn #1.

If there were a million copies of Malibu Sun #13 (like there are for Spawn #1), it's unlikely anyone would pay even half of the Spawn #1 price.

Are the 5 pages of Darkhawk from Marvel Age #97 printed in Darkhawk #1? If so, I believe the same thing is happening with Darkhawk #1 vs. Marvel Age #97. The Marvel Age book is a teaser to get people to buy Darkhawk #1... but there are tons of Darkhawk #1 in the market and fewer Marvel Age #97. So, the price difference is at least partially due to supply, not due to confusion about marketing materials. If those 5 pages from Marvel Age #97 aren't part of Darkhawk #1, then that story (if it's a story and not just an article about Darkhawk #1) might be the first appearance like DC Comics Presents #26 for New Teen Titans.

For books like Ivar #1 (with a preview of Divinity) and Divinity #1 (with the first appearance of Divinity), the print runs are similar... so the market doesn't confuse limited supply premiums with first appearances.

[Ramses818]

But guys what about the super awesome Valiant fall preview 2015? They gave those away and they have Divinity in it too! . Just stirring the pot! Lol

[DirtbagSailor]

I'm not on instagram so this might be a stupid question... is there any way to get that article in front of the 20,000+ followers you have on instagram regarding Valiant?

I did exactly that, though Instagram is not the greatest for linking to articles. Check here to see what I mean: https://instagram.com/p/8vuHNBB_sO/

Figured this might do the trick?

[Ricomortis]

I'm not on instagram so this might be a stupid question... is there any way to get that article in front of the 20,000+ followers you have on instagram regarding Valiant?

I did exactly that, though Instagram is not the greatest for linking to articles. Check here to see what I mean: https://instagram.com/p/8vuHNBB_sO/

Figured this might do the trick?

That is AWESOME!

[greg]

But guys what about the super awesome Valiant fall preview 2015? They gave those away and they have Divinity in it too! . Just stirring the pot! Lol

Did you get any pages that weren't printed in the issues it was advertising?

[jmatt]

Generally speaking, the first appearance occurs in a comic where the appearance is NOT repeated in an upcoming issue.

This. If Divinity was promoted on the back of a cereal box prior to issue #1 hitting the stands, that does not constitute his 'first appearance'. But it would be interesting to own though...

[greg]

Generally speaking, the first appearance occurs in a comic where the appearance is NOT repeated in an upcoming issue.

This. If Divinity was promoted on the back of a cereal box prior to issue #1 hitting the stands, that does not constitute his 'first appearance'. But it would be interesting to own though...

It's an interesting debate, though... even if it's just semantics.

What is the "first appearance"? Well, it's the first.

What is a "preview"? It happens before the first... right?

So, why isn't a preview automatically a first appearance? Because it happens before, but doesn't that make it first? No, because it's pre-first.

Previews and advertisements are not 1st, they're 0th.

[jmatt]

So, why isn't a preview automatically a first appearance? Because it happens before, but doesn't that make it first? No, because it's pre-first.

Previews and advertisements are not 1st, they're 0th.

Let's drill down even further. Why do collectors want a first print? A second and third printing are still his first appearance. But it's not his first first.

But you nailed it already.

Generally speaking, the first appearance occurs in a comic where the appearance is NOT repeated in an upcoming issue.

Preview pages that are repeated in the full published issue are clearly marketing, not intended to give you the story/appearance on their own.

[Phantom]

What if a first appearance is on a specific piece of merchandise? Like a trading card.
Is a first appearance only in a comic book? If the character has appeared on a trading card before hand.

This hypothetical question, I do not know if this has happened before. I do know that S platt (Steven Platt) first work in the industry was a trading card that came with a book. I know of no character that has been announced that that way.

[possumgrease]

Didn't Rai appear as a card insert before appearing in the comic?

[nscc]

I think so, in Magnus 4 IIRC.

[Elveen]

Yes and yes. For sure.

[agent_graves]

So I published this...

http://all-comic.com/2015/investing-div ... eculation/

Nice Article, Very Informative..

[DirtbagSailor]

Just cut a side-deal for an extra #1 (LaRosa 1:40) and a #2 (LaRosa 1:30) both CGC 9.8 for $615 combined and shipped.

[agent_graves]

Just cut a side-deal for an extra #1 (LaRosa 1:40) and a #2 (LaRosa 1:30) both CGC 9.8 for $615 combined and shipped.

Sweet Deal...

[mkb28]

This raw copy of Divinity #3 1:20 LaRosa variant just sold for over $200.00 on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201451380997?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mkb28

[jmatt]

I think I have one of those, I'll have to check. I recall liking the cover.

[DirtbagSailor]

A Divinity #3 (1:20) CGC 9.8 just sold for $289 + $6 shipping.

Based on a $20 value a few months ago, that is basically a 1,375% return on investment. Now, I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that is amazing!

(Edit: I forgot the $15 CGC grading fee and shipping; so it's closer to a 600-700% ROI. )

[DirtbagSailor]

...and then this happened:

http://comicbookinvest.com/2015/10/30/hot-10-comics-28/

[nycjadie]

Note to Dinesh - I know that cover stock is expensive, but consider implementing it outside of the minis!

[jmatt]

Note to Dinesh - I know that cover stock is expensive, but consider implementing it outside of the minis!

Yeah, it really does add something to an issue.