New Valiant Fans Logo?

Byrneout · Post by **Byrneout** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:30 pm

Just looked up, and noticed we had a new logo for the Valiant Fans site.

Looks kind of militaristic... very cool.

Any insight on this, Greg?

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:41 pm

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8340

Although this is probably a better location.

You like the militaristic look?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:56 pm

I miss the old one already.... <sniff>

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:01 pm

Byrneout wrote:Just looked up, and noticed we had a new logo for the Valiant Fans site.

Looks kind of militaristic... very cool.

Any insight on this, Greg?

This is so 1:45...

greg has been on since the change, but I think just to check it out...

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:03 pm

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:14 pm

DawgPhan wrote:...

I dont know that we will ever really know, but I do like that it was immediately noticed and theories abounded after just minutes of the change...I really like you guys...

I assume that Greg will say something.

I think that he is an honest guy so I will take him at his word if he says that there was no outside influence.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:16 pm

Before conspiracy theories continue...

I realized that I needed a "logo" for the ValiantFans.com site
on the last fan project. The certificates for the fan 'signature series'
needed to have a logo, but didn't need to use the Valiant compass.
(For printing new items, even certificates, I'm not using the compass.)

What I wound up using on that certificate was a graphic of a computer,
with the planet Earth and "ValiantFans.com" on it.
That was fine for then, but I still wanted something "more".

So, I've been working with a few ideas...
and what you see at the top left of the screen today
is the basic result.

There's a "big V" for Valiant, of course...
The "V" is in the shape of an "open book" for reading.
There's Earth... for our worldwide web location,
and there are "stripes" representing how Valiant fans
tend to "earn our stripes" by still caring after 10+ years.
(The stripes are also there to give the image some color.)

It's not perfect, by any means... but it is what it is.

The original design is more "square" than the one above.

This design would take up too much space at the top of the page
here on the messageboard, so I moved the text to the right.

Judging by the reaction so far, I'd say it's mostly a curiosity
at the moment. This early, I'd say the verdict is still out...

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:20 pm

greg wrote:...
I realized that I needed a "logo" for the ValiantFans.com site
on the last fan project. The certificates for the fan 'signature series'
needed to have a logo, but didn't need to use the Valiant compass.
(For printing new items, even certificates, I'm not using the compass.)
...

Why did all of these things "need" to have a new logo?

Be as honest and forthcoming as you can here

chuckwood · Post by **chuckwood** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:25 pm

greg wrote:

This logo is pretty cool but I do not like the one on top. I think the image alone is a little harsh and the lettering on top of it helps that. The lettering on the side is also too bold (I can not see the spaces in the A)

chuckwood · Post by **chuckwood** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:31 pm

Well, now that I've been looking at it longer I could get used to it. I think we need the compass somewhere prominent as well also

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:44 pm

Technique wrote:
greg wrote:...
I realized that I needed a "logo" for the ValiantFans.com site
on the last fan project. The certificates for the fan 'signature series'
needed to have a logo, but didn't need to use the Valiant compass.
(For printing new items, even certificates, I'm not using the compass.)
...
Why did all of these things "need" to have a new logo?

Be as honest and forthcoming as you can here

Before Valiant was sold in April 2005, the only comic books that had
been printed with Valiant characters (even in other forms) since 1996
had been "Acclaim Comics". If anyone referenced "Valiant Comics",
it was clear that they were talking about comics from 1996 or earlier.

Once the sale occurred, people started talking about Valiant again
in terms of "present" or "immediate future". As a result, things like the
Valiant name and Valiant symbol MIGHT mean an official thing again,
as opposed to ONLY meaning "the old stuff".

While VALIANTCOMICS.COM is my domain devoted to Valiant 1991-1996,
I am not opposed to expanding the breadth of coverage if Valiant returns.
In that scenario, VALIANTCOMICS.COM could be more official than it
has been in the past. Right now, VALIANTCOMICS.COM is still a fan site,
but it could be more someday. Currently, it's only focused on the past.

VALIANTFANS.COM is clearly a fan site. It will always be a fan site.
The focus of ValiantFans.com is past, present, and future.
Present usage of trademarks is the concern I am addressing.
ValiantFans.com should not be confused by anyone who is new
to the site as being "official" with regard to past, present, or future.

It is my belief that the Valiant compass will return in some official form.
Since the sale of Valiant in April 2005, it has been "possible" to see that
official return any time. It still could occur at any time.

As a result, I don't plan to use the Valiant compass on newly created items
(like fan project certificates) with references to ValiantFans.com.
There's nothing "official" about the fan projects, and they shouldn't
appear to be "official" with regard to the Valiant compass.

Since I need to use something on the certificates, it makes sense to me
to create a new logo altogether... something that won't be confused with
official products when they arrive.

I would be happy to incorporate the Valiant compass into this logo (or some other),
if I could guarantee approval from whoever is seeing to the compass' return.
Thus far, I have not received that approval, so I will err on the side of caution.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:50 pm

chuckwood wrote:The lettering on the side is also too bold (I can not see the spaces in the A)

That's probably a problem from "shrinking it down".
I think I've revised it to fix the "A".

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:51 pm

Completely makes sense to me. Marks identify a source. The original Valiant logo identifies Valiant as a source so when consumers see it they identify the mark with the company. ValiantFans.com is not that company. Avoiding this confusion is particularly good, since several people plan to boycott any VIP "Valiant" merchandise. ValiantFans.com having its own logo prevents people from associating this site with any other company and allows ValiantFans.com to get the recognition it deserves for the hard work it does.

EDIT: I'm going to assume that this new logo is going to appear on the Zoom Suit ValiantFans.com Exclusive Certificate (at least it should). This gives this site the credit for organizing that exclusive offer, not any other organization. I think this site deserves the recognition for its efforts.

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:52 pm

Hey Greg, the new logo is "okay", and I kinda understand where your coming from. Personally I don't care for the red stripes, but that's just my personal taste which is worth a great big "0" in the big scheme of things.

Keep up the good work!

chuckwood · Post by **chuckwood** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:53 pm

greg wrote:
chuckwood wrote:The lettering on the side is also too bold (I can not see the spaces in the A)
That's probably a problem from "shrinking it down".
I think I've revised it to fix the "A".

Looks much better. The new logo is pretty good, it will take time to get used to it, more time because the compass is such a well created logo.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:56 pm

For a little more info... let me add this:

I have not been asked to stop using the Valiant compass on this website.
My goal was to come up with a single logo for use on both the website
AND the certificates associated with the fan projects.

Since I don't plan to print new certificates with the compass logo
(after the April 2005 sale of the Valiant/Acclaim properties), then
I needed something new for the certificates.

Since I'll be using something new on the certificates, I also want it to be
a logo that fits the website. Technically, the certificate is driving this change.

As far as the "stripes" or even the font goes... they aren't set in stone.
I could easily change (or remove) the stripes, or the font,
but keep the "big V", the Earth, and the domain name the same.
I think that would keep the logo recognizable, and provide some variety.
(I also plan to incorporate the year into the graphic on certificates.)

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:26 pm

the two car sites I frequent for my cars both have distinctive logos without the BMW roundle.

The trick is coming up with something that represents Valiant from 1991-1996, without using the compass.

~Unblessed

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:29 pm

Since you'll be paying attention to this thread...

Who's site is this:

http://www.shooterswork.com/index.html

(because I know it's coming

)

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:41 pm

Technique wrote:Since you'll be paying attention to this thread...

Who's site is this:

http://www.shooterswork.com/index.html

(because I know it's coming )

I've never seen that before, that's quite interesting, I am surprized no one has brought it up here before.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:53 pm

i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.

oldjello · Post by **oldjello** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:40 pm

Jaknife wrote:i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.

No... it's not you. It's me too. It looks like the earth is hangliding.
I'm going to start on some animated avatars, relevant to Valiant titles.
If any are successful, I'll post 'em.

chuckwood · Post by **chuckwood** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:44 pm

oldjello wrote:
Jaknife wrote:i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.
No... it's not you. It's me too. It looks like the earth is hangliding.
I'm going to start on some animated avatars, relevant to Valiant titles.
If any are successful, I'll post 'em.

please let them be successful
please let them be successful
please let them be successful

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:45 pm

chuckwood wrote:
oldjello wrote:
Jaknife wrote:i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.
No... it's not you. It's me too. It looks like the earth is hangliding.
I'm going to start on some animated avatars, relevant to Valiant titles.
If any are successful, I'll post 'em.

please let them be successful
please let them be successful
please let them be successful

Um. anyone else think: VALIANT ON INFINITE EARTHS

~Unblessed

oldjello · Post by **oldjello** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:48 pm

chuckwood wrote:
oldjello wrote:
Jaknife wrote:i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.
No... it's not you. It's me too. It looks like the earth is hangliding.
I'm going to start on some animated avatars, relevant to Valiant titles.
If any are successful, I'll post 'em.

please let them be successful
please let them be successful
please let them be successful

I'm going to work on a Harbinger logo, Shadowman logo, perhaps something with Rai #0, and Solar. Any suggestions I will try and animate. I just got back from a Photoshop Seminar in Chicago, and I have tons of ideas. I may post them, and if you like them, use them.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:51 pm

oldjello wrote:
chuckwood wrote:
oldjello wrote:
Jaknife wrote:i think it would be better if the two 'V' halves were joined. maybe thats just me.
No... it's not you. It's me too. It looks like the earth is hangliding.
I'm going to start on some animated avatars, relevant to Valiant titles.
If any are successful, I'll post 'em.

please let them be successful
please let them be successful
please let them be successful
I'm going to work on a Harbinger logo, Shadowman logo, perhaps something with Rai #0, and Solar. Any suggestions I will try and animate. I just got back from a Photoshop Seminar in Chicago, and I have tons of ideas. I may post them, and if you like them, use them.

I don't know how well it would work, but maybe you could merge all of them in some form or another.

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