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greg · Last edited by greg on Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:27 pm; edited 3 times in total

Most of us "marvel" at the simplicity of Rai #0's cover...
three colors, very striking Bloodshot silhouette on the red circle
(without the silhouette, the cover would resemble Japan's flag)... but...

...did you know that Rai #0 cover artist Dave Lapham may have "borrowed"
the silhouette for Bloodshot from a Mike Zeck pin-up of Punisher?
[Edit: Rai #0 cover artist Jim Shooter definitely "borrowed" this image... see below.]

This pin-up of the Punisher appeared in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe
Deluxe Edition #10 (1986).
(Silhouette on the right created from the Punisher pin-up.)

Technique · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject:

Get a rope Twisted Evil

Unblessed · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject:

"Frank it's time you switched brands..."

~Unblessed

IMJ · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject:

That's a cool observation. Sometimes cover swipes are a lot of fun. The Superverse is doing that with Zoom Suit with an X-O Cover swipe, several Ironman cover swipes and a Superman swipe.

Todd Luck · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject:

Well, the red dot resembles one of Japan's flags anyway. Thats why I always thought the need to explain the markings on Rai was a little silly. He's the patrotic hero of Japan, so of course he resembles one of their flags. What's next? A story to explain why Captian America wears stars and strips Smile

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greg · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:

Todd Luck · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:

Todd Luck · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject:

Actually I was waiting to respond to the rest until I looked up this. I'm not really surprised at the swipe since I read about it years ago. Are you sure it was Lapham who did it though?

From a Shooter interview from Blood of Heroes website...

And the whole red circle, that was tying into the Japanese flag, the rising sun, and Rai's legacy?

Yes. Here's a little-known fact: I actually drew the cover to Rai #0. It was just a silhouette, so someone had to fill it in and ink the dot. We had obviously planned the look of the character by that point. And I should admit this, in the interest of fairness: I was looking at a drawing that Mike Zeck did. I mean, I'm not that good an artist and the only reason I did it was that we didn't have anybody with a free pair of hands who could do it. If we'd had a real artist available, somebody else could have done it, but I ended up doing this because it was a silhouette. I figured, You know, I could do this. So I did just to save time for Bob and for Don and the other guys. I don' t think anybody could tell it was done by an amateur.

http://www.geocities.com/angelo_mortalli/interviews/shooter/shooter.html

greg · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:

jedimarley · Evra'Ting Ire Mon. Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 14814

WOW! That's cool that Shooter's the cover artist of Rai #0.

"I did not know that"

Daniel Jackson · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject:

You would think that as many times as Marvel hassled Valiant about various things they would have noticed this bit of "borrowing".

jedimarley · Evra'Ting Ire Mon. Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 14814

Good point.

motorhead · Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject:

Okay, that was an awesome piece of Valiant trivia there. One of the most simple, but powerful covers in Valiant was done by Jim, cool. Cool

Valiant Trivia, I smell a new fan project.

Anyone interrested in helping?
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IMJ · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:58 am Post subject:

I think JT is a marketing genius. By the way, JT you stole my post.... I gave props to you guys for this like 9 posts up.... Wink

U da man....

motorhead · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject:

New exclusive stuff for the board members, I think that this could be cool. I hope it works out!
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mrwoogieman · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:

yay for us!

Oh, and does anyone have one of those multi-colored signature Rai 0's for sale? The one with sigs across the Rai? I think Dino posted one a while back? Anyone?

inmyblood · Turok, or not to rock... Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 554

I had a great opportunity to buy a butt load of Rai #0's and I couldn't because I ran out of cash. There were well over 30 of them for 50 cents each. I'm still kicking myself because I would have snatched up every issue I could.

One of my favorite comic covers ever.