The Woke Comics Backlash Begins

[jmatt]

I haven't set foot in my LCS since they insisted on making me wear a mask six months after everyone else gave up on that bad joke, so perhaps this is not news. But I found this article interesting since Heather Antos made me want to stop buying Valiant comics.

Apparently, not everyone in the industry is happy with the woke turn. I mean, DC recently chopped "... and the American Way" from Superman's vibe? Jesus. They really are embarrassed to be Americans, aren't they?

Anyway, here's the article about something called the Rippaverse. This could get me back into a comic shop to check it out.

I'm sure you guys know more about it than me, but I thought I'd share.

[TheFerg714]

lol that *SQUEE* is going to be $35 for 96 pages and will not be in comic stores. I am very interested in a new superhero shared universe, but I can't invest in a universe with those kinds of prices and slow release schedule.

Also, this post = tell me you're a conservative without telling me you're a conservative.

[The Chosen 1]

lol that *SQUEE* is going to be $35 for 96 pages and will not be in comic stores. I am very interested in a new superhero shared universe, but I can't invest in a universe with those kinds of prices and slow release schedule.

Also, this post = tell me you're a conservative without telling me you're a conservative.

Who cares if he's conservative? He likes a particular style of comic and wants to read that without being forced to read something he doesn't like. I'm pretty sure he's entitled to that, unless that offends you? In which case, then you're probably the problem.

The push to make comics that appeal to the left has really improved sales for Valiant. Losing one conservative reader won't affect them at all.

[Chiclo]

The push to make comics that appeal to the left has really improved sales for Valiant. Losing one conservative reader won't affect them at all.

Keeping only one conservative reader hasn’t seemed to boost their numbers.

[jmatt]

lol that *SQUEE* is going to be $35 for 96 pages and will not be in comic stores. I am very interested in a new superhero shared universe, but I can't invest in a universe with those kinds of prices and slow release schedule.

Also, this post = tell me you're a conservative without telling me you're a conservative.

I don't know anything more about it than what's in the article.

Mmm, I'm more libertarian than conservative. I don't care what consenting adults do, but the wokey agenda is not why I read comics.

[TheFerg714]

Who cares if he's conservative? He likes a particular style of comic and wants to read that without being forced to read something he doesn't like. I'm pretty sure he's entitled to that, unless that offends you? In which case, then you're probably the problem.

The push to make comics that appeal to the left has really improved sales for Valiant. Losing one conservative reader won't affect them at all.

Never said there was anything wrong with being conservative. It just says a lot about OP when he cares so much about "woke" comics that he makes a whole post about it on a Valiant board. I'm not even saying he's necessarily wrong about these things, but dude... it's super obvious that he's a conservative. His whole post is littered with the same *SQUEE* that every conservative comic book fan talks about... "woke" comics, "wearing a mask," mentioning Heather Antos, having a problem with losing "...and the American Way."

I don't know anything more about it than what's in the article.

I mean honestly it sounds like a cool concept, but I just can't get behind spending that kind of money (and time) right now.

[lorddunlow]

Not wanting to participate in a mass delusion that a piece of cloth somehow prevents the spread of a virus that is airborne when there is a mountain of scientific evidence showing that masks are not effective both pre and post pandemic makes you conservative?

That's nuts man.

I'm a socialist and I think it's *SQUEE*. Reality is reality. You can tell yourself something but it doesn't make it true.

[Chiclo]

Not wanting to participate in a mass delusion that a piece of cloth somehow prevents the spread of a virus that is airborne when there is a mountain of scientific evidence showing that masks are not effective both pre and post pandemic makes you conservative?

That's nuts man.

I'm a socialist and I think it's *SQUEE*. Reality is reality. You can tell yourself something but it doesn't make it true.

Welcome to the tribe, Dunlow.

edit - wait, because of a series of unfortunate events, I am technically a Democrat now…

[jmatt]

Hmm, a Dunlow sighting. How are ya, buddy?

[jmatt]

...having a problem with losing "...and the American Way."

Everything else aside, you don't have a problem with that? It's outrageous, to me. The self-loathing is reaching an apex.

Oh, and as they mention in the article, Superman's son is taking over the mantle, and guess what? I mean, for Pete's sake. Any DC reader that sits still for this BS should be ashamed.

[TheFerg714]

Not wanting to participate in a mass delusion that a piece of cloth somehow prevents the spread of a virus that is airborne when there is a mountain of scientific evidence showing that masks are not effective both pre and post pandemic makes you conservative?

Not necessarily, but that, alongside everything else, makes it pretty clear what side of the isle OP lies in.

But again, there's nothing wrong with being a conservative.

Everything else aside, you don't have a problem with that? It's outrageous, to me. The self-loathing is reaching an apex.

I don't love it, but I kind of get it. Your average American views the USA differently than they did when Superman was introduced. It makes sense that Superman would change to fit the times. I also kind of like "a better tomorrow" too, so honestly I don't really have a horse in this race.

Oh, and as they mention in the article, Superman's son is taking over the mantle, and guess what? I mean, for Pete's sake. Any DC reader that sits still for this BS should be ashamed.

I'm not a fan of characters sharing the same title. I hate that they're pushing Jon as Superman, Jace Fox as Batman, and especially Jackson Hyde as Aquaman. It was *SQUEE* when Marvel pulled this a few years back and it's *SQUEE* now.

[jmatt]

I'm not a fan of characters sharing the same title. I hate that they're pushing Jon as Superman, Jace Fox as Batman, and especially Jackson Hyde as Aquaman. It was *SQUEE* when Marvel pulled this a few years back and it's *SQUEE* now.

Not a fan of that either, but making Superman gay is just stupid. Honestly, this push to inject homosexuality into every comic title is childish. It's like a kid saying a bad word and getting away with it, then deciding to keep using it at every opportunity.

And if we're not supposed to care all that much about people's sexuality, why do they care all that much?

Well, Marvel does the same stuff and is owned by Disney and Disney is now upfront about their "not-so-secret gay agenda" (their words) -- so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I mean, who knew that like 70% of the population is homosexual? I didn't. Thank God I have comic books to inform me.

I will say again: People are free to be whatever they want to be. I do not care. But I am weary of being beaten over the head with it 24/7.

[TheFerg714]

Not a fan of that either, but making Superman gay is just stupid.

Oh... yea, I don't care about that at all. 1 in 5 Gen. Z'ers identify as LGBTQ. It's totally understandable that Jon could be gay (bi?).

Honestly, this push to inject homosexuality into every comic title is childish. It's like a kid saying a bad word and getting away with it, then deciding to keep using it at every opportunity.

I kind of agree with this, to an extent. It's so weird and off-putting how many LGBT characters are popping up, but I don't mind LGBT characters existing in comics. I'm a big fan of Wiccan and Hulkling, Renee Montoya, and Kris Hathaway.

[lorddunlow]

Hmm, a Dunlow sighting. How are ya, buddy?

Doing great! Living the life in sunny Florida. Good job. How about you?

[Oxmyx]

They really are embarrassed to be Americans, aren't they?

*I'm* embarrassed to be an American. If you aren't, i gotta wonder if you are paying attention. But, glad you found something to be hyped about.

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[lorddunlow]

I'm embarrassed to be a human, but comics (and other media) are supposed to be an escape.

To paraphrase Churchill: America has the worst form of government, except for all the others

[Blood of Heroes]

[Oxmyx]

I'm embarrassed to be a human

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[jmatt]

Oh... yea, I don't care about that at all. 1 in 5 Gen. Z'ers identify as LGBTQ. It's totally understandable that Jon could be gay (bi?)

Ah yes. Suddenly overnight 20% of the population became homosexual. Sounds totally realistic. I guess we're destined to live in Gay Superman's world from now on.

This is just the brainwashing (dare I say grooming?) kicking in. The trans fad started a few years back and now every third girl think she's really a boy. It's working!

This is all stupid games being played on immature minds, and not why I read comic books. Well, actually, I don't anymore so I guess they won. Maybe that's why titles have like 5,000 readers nowadays.

[TheFerg714]

Ah yes. Suddenly overnight 20% of the population became homosexual. Sounds totally realistic. I guess we're destined to live in Gay Superman's world from now on.

This is just the brainwashing (dare I say grooming?) kicking in. The trans fad started a few years back and now every third girl think she's really a boy. It's working!

This is all stupid games being played on immature minds, and not why I read comic books. Well, actually, I don't anymore so I guess they won. Maybe that's why titles have like 5,000 readers nowadays.

What does it matter why 20% of Gen. Z identify as LGBTQ? The fact of the matter is that they do! Whether it's natural, or brainwashing, or a fad, or whatever you want to call it, it's still happening. Every generation seems to become more and more queer. This is just a fact. Being a trendy fad might explain some of this, but the more likely explanation is that, nowadays, people are less afraid to act out who they are on the inside, because people are generally more accepting of outside-of-the-norm lifestyles, and I think that's a great thing. More importantly though, it makes sense to represent that in media, especially media like Marvel/DC, which essentially take place in the real world.

Note: I'm not saying 20% of Gen. Z characters should be LGBTQ. I'm just saying that it's not a problem that Superman's son is bisexual.

[jmatt]

Every generation seems to become more and more queer. This is just a fact.

"Seems" and "fact" is a little incongruent, imo.

I'm just saying that it's not a problem that Superman's son is bisexual.

It's not a problem, it's just stupid. This is the Atom Bomb of gaying up a title. I guess we're gonna find out.

I'll even play Devil's Advocate here by bringing up Valiant's first gay character: Ken Clarkson wasn't an issue for me in any way in 1992. I don't object to the idea of gay characters in comic books, just the volume. When you see it in book after book after book, one gets the sense that they're not so much adding a little variety to the character lineup as they are pushing an agenda.

And if your 20% assertion is to be believed, it proves the point. When people talk about grooming, this is it. Drown young people in homosexual material and before ya know it, 13 year olds are getting hormone therapy without a parent's consent and girls are permanently altering their bodies.

When I was a kid in the 70s, everyone wanted to be an astronaut. Now they wanna be RuPaul. Start learning Chinese.

[TheFerg714]

"Seems" and "fact" is a little incongruent, imo.

Washington Post: "A record number of U.S. adults identify as LGBTQ. Gen Z is driving the increase."
"This year’s record high includes 21 percent of Gen Zers who have reached adulthood — which Gallup defines as those born between 1997 and 2003 — making them the generational group with the largest proportion of LGBTQ people. Among millennials, 10.5 percent self-identify as LGBTQ, while 4.2 percent of Generation X, 2.6 percent of baby boomers and 0.8 percent of traditionalists do, according to the Gallup data. Meanwhile, 86.3 percent of respondents self-identified as straight or heterosexual."

It's not a problem, it's just stupid. This is the Atom Bomb of gaying up a title. I guess we're gonna find out.

Yea, idk I just don't find anything too objectionable about it. It's a problem when they make characters like Iceman and Tim Drake gay, but Jon is a new character that's still developing his identity. They're allowed to (and should take big swings with him, imo.

When you see it in book after book after book, one gets the sense that they're not so much adding a little variety to the character lineup as they are pushing an agenda.

I definitely agree with this. As I said above, it's weird and off-putting.

And if your 20% assertion is to be believed, it proves the point. When people talk about grooming, this is it. Drown young people in homosexual material and before ya know it, 13 year olds are getting hormone therapy without a parent's consent and girls are permanently altering their bodies.

Please submit proof to back up this claim, because the way I see it, there are probably multitudes of factors that lead to Gen Z being queer af, and agenda-driven, low-selling comics are hardly #1 on the list. I do find it troubling that some lefties think it's okay to push children to transition and use hormone blockers, but I think it's pretty rare for kids to go through any kind of surgery.

[Chiclo]

It was my understanding that bisexual is kind of out of vogue, that there is some stigma against bisexuals for not being inclusive enough.

I read about a study wherein they studied young adults who identify as some kind of gay and asked if they had had a sexual encounter with a person of the same gender in the last few years and fewer than half had. In many cases, this was more a political identity than a sexual one.

After I finish up my studies of Classical Hebrew, I will probably get back into Mandarin. Good advice.

[greg]

I read about a study wherein they studied young adults who identify as some kind of gay and asked if they had had a sexual encounter with a person of the same gender in the last few years and fewer than half had. In many cases, this was more a political identity than a sexual one.

I would suspect that a study of young adults who identify as straight who are asked if they have had a sexual encounter with a person of the opposite gender in the last few years would find fewer than half had. In many cases, this would be more a hopeful identity than a sexual one.

[possumgrease]

Maybe comic companies should release a conservative version and a liberal version of their biggest characters in order to appeal to fans of both political persuasions.

Yes.

You know where I'm going with this.

I'm going here: