Shadowman reboot: writer poll

Brapbrap · Post by **Brapbrap** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:23:31 pm

didnt lemire already say he was working on it or something?

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:21:38 pm

Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
kinggirlfriend wrote:
possumgrease wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:By the time the title is re-launched then maybe enough time will have passed for me to try Shadowman again. I'd like to see someone different on the title, but whoever it is I'd like to see it very dark, Vertigo like and absolutely nothing like the incarnation of the original VEI launch.
That's what I'm looking for as well, except that I am perfectly happy with the tone and story shown in Shadowman 0 and 10.

Yes! I would like more of #0 and #10. Art and story wise.
Yeah, #0 and #10 were stand out issues and were some of the strongest single issues VEI have put out. Stark contrast with the rest of the issues.

+1.. Those two issues are like the Gold Standard!

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:15:43 am

Brapbrap wrote:didnt lemire already say he was working on it or something?

This is from the interview section of "The Valiant - First Look" edition available on comixology - it's for free.
https://www.comixology.com/The-Valiant- ... mic/146281

Jeff, this is notably your first work at Valiant, and your first chance to handle all of Valiant's biggest heroes. Is there any one in particular that you would like to get your hands on in the future?

JF: There are two characters, actually. I can't reveal yet who they are.... but one likes guns and one likes the dark.

This was back in 2015 though.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:09:59 am

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Brapbrap wrote:didnt lemire already say he was working on it or something?
This is from the interview section of "The Valiant - First Look" edition available on comixology - it's for free.
https://www.comixology.com/The-Valiant- ... mic/146281

Jeff, this is notably your first work at Valiant, and your first chance to handle all of Valiant's biggest heroes. Is there any one in particular that you would like to get your hands on in the future?

JF: There are two characters, actually. I can't reveal yet who they are.... but one likes guns and one likes the dark.
This was back in 2015 though.

That was for The Valiant. Now he's likely close to finishing up his Bloodshot (like guns) run, and perhaps starting a run on Shadowman (the dark)?

AnarchoMambo · Post by **AnarchoMambo** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:11:58 am

Bump:

When should we expect an announcement on this?

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:34:20 pm

BugsySig wrote:
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Brapbrap wrote:didnt lemire already say he was working on it or something?
This is from the interview section of "The Valiant - First Look" edition available on comixology - it's for free.
https://www.comixology.com/The-Valiant- ... mic/146281

Jeff, this is notably your first work at Valiant, and your first chance to handle all of Valiant's biggest heroes. Is there any one in particular that you would like to get your hands on in the future?

JF: There are two characters, actually. I can't reveal yet who they are.... but one likes guns and one likes the dark.
This was back in 2015 though.
That was for The Valiant. Now he's likely close to finishing up his Bloodshot (like guns) run, and perhaps starting a run on Shadowman (the dark)?

I like this theory!

Sure, it was 2015, but Shadowman needed to be re-tooled, and it may not have fit in the current timeline. Maybe there needed to be some set up for this to happen...

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:31:22 pm

TheeBaldMoose wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Brapbrap wrote:didnt lemire already say he was working on it or something?
This is from the interview section of "The Valiant - First Look" edition available on comixology - it's for free.
https://www.comixology.com/The-Valiant- ... mic/146281

Jeff, this is notably your first work at Valiant, and your first chance to handle all of Valiant's biggest heroes. Is there any one in particular that you would like to get your hands on in the future?

JF: There are two characters, actually. I can't reveal yet who they are.... but one likes guns and one likes the dark.
This was back in 2015 though.
That was for The Valiant. Now he's likely close to finishing up his Bloodshot (like guns) run, and perhaps starting a run on Shadowman (the dark)?
I like this theory!

Sure, it was 2015, but Shadowman needed to be re-tooled, and it may not have fit in the current timeline. Maybe there needed to be some set up for this to happen...

Precisely my thoughts on the matter, Moosey. It is not uncommon for Valiant to have these properties percolating on the backburner for some time. As I recall, Dinesh was dropping hints about Savage and Britannia for months before the announcement, and I'm tempted to say they've been doing the same thing for Eternity for almost 2 years now. There's no telling how long they have been sitting on the concept for the new Shadowman series... it could be fait accompli at this point, just a matter of releasing it when the time was right.

Speaking of hints being dropped, Dinesh hasn't said anything about the 'Book of War' tease lately. Wonder if that one has been repurposed?

AnarchoMambo · Post by **AnarchoMambo** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:19:26 am

I wish I didn’t disagree with you guys, but there are some introconvertible facts here:

1) Jeff Lemire has like a zillion creator-owned and big-house plates spinning right now. Someone should compile a list.

2) He’s white and Canadian. Perhaps Valiant could be (should be?) gunning for Te-Nehisi Coates, or even Saladin Ahmed, if identity of the writer plays as much a part in the selection process as the writer’s pitch itself.

I would love to see Lemire write another Valiant title....if he wasn’t the writer (and occasionally artist!) on oodles of other books! I also believe that the Shadowman hip-hop one-shot is an indication that Valiant would like this title to appeal to a younger urban audience. I applaud that they have gotten women in on writing and editorial. I hope that Valiant has seen this as a time to add a high profile person of color to the writing stable as well, and to realize the potential expansion of readership that may bring.

Zhuge1 · Post by **Zhuge1** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:10:04 pm

I don't think Coates would be the right choice -- he seems to really only have been a Marvel fan and primarily knows those characters. I'm also not sure he'd be a good fit for the supernatural element of Shadowman.

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:23:00 am

AnarchoMambo wrote:I wish I didn’t disagree with you guys, but there are some introconvertible facts here:

1) Jeff Lemire has like a zillion creator-owned and big-house plates spinning right now. Someone should compile a list.

In fact, Lemire's number of titles has dropped by 50% since he recently canceled his gig at Marvel.

Here's your list:
- Descender
- Royal City
- Bloodshot Salvation
- Sherlock Frankenstein and the Legion of Evil (Black Hammer related mini-series)

UPCOMING
- BH: Age of Doom (April 2018)
- another BH related mini-series (2018)
- The Terrifics (DC; February 2018 - mini-series?)

AnarchoMambo · Post by **AnarchoMambo** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:36:53 am

You make a very compelling case. But even though Moon Knight and Thanos and other Marvel work might be thing of the past, he will be starting some Hawkman stories, which is rumored to be continuing to series. And you mentioned the Terriffics for DC, but I think ultimately Mr Lemire is just trading Marvel for DC, and he will probably have 3-4 ongoing series with them in addition to his other creator-owned output. On the upside Hawkman could be tremendously popular under his direction, and could divert the gaze of more comic readers in Valiant’s direction should he get the flagship Shadowman. And of course he kicks butt as a writer. I am quite encouraged by your point-of-view.

Sunlight on Snow · Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:27:43 pm

Oh, I forgot about the Metal tie-in Hawkman Found (one-shot) and the potential ongoing series, however, I don't think Lemire will be writing too many DC series in the near future. He said he quit Marvel to have more time for his creator-owned stuff. What would be the point of writing 3-4 DC series instead of 3-4 Marvel series then?

Alastor · Post by **Alastor** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:45:49 pm

I really hope it will be Lemire on this book. With Greg Smallwood for the interior art. Their Moon Knight run at Marvel was really really great. Mind-blowing great.

Manaf82 · Post by **Manaf82** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:14:23 am

Jeff Lemire was also supposed to release an ongoing from Image this year called Family Tree with Phil Hester...I don't know if Phil Hester drawing Shipwreck for Warren Ellis changes that..

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Manaf82 · Post by **Manaf82** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:15:37 am

Plus "Gideon Falls" from Image with Andrea Sorrentino..

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Manaf82 · Post by **Manaf82** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:17:25 am

But all this is not going to be a factor i think..I personally believe he has been writing Shadowman for a long while like he did with Bloodshot Reborn..In the case of Bloodshot reborn 10 issues were at least partially drawn before the book was officially announced...

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Manaf82 · Post by **Manaf82** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:18:38 am

He might as well as might have written like 50 issues by now...Probably like 25 issues but one can dream..

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Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:18:44 am

Manaf82 wrote:Jeff Lemire was also supposed to release an ongoing from Image this year called Family Tree with Phil Hester...I don't know if Phil Hester drawing Shipwreck for Warren Ellis changes that..

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It was announced back in March but never mentioned again and hasn't been solicited yet.

It wouldn't be the first time Lemire is waiting for his artist of choice to become available again. Black Hammer was delayed by a year or so due to Ormston's brain injury.

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:43:17 am

Manaf82 wrote:Plus "Gideon Falls" from Image with Andrea Sorrentino..

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Never heard of this one before but it sounds intriguing.

Looks like there's a reason he quit working for Marvel. Here's the updated list:

ONGOING
- Descender
- Royal City
- Bloodshot Salvation
- Sherlock Frankenstein and the Legion of Evil (Black Hammer related mini-series)

UPCOMING
- Hawkman Found (one-shot/Metal tie-in) (DC, December)
- The Terrifics (DC; February 2018 - mini-series?)
- Gideon Falls (Image, March 2018)
- BH: Age of Doom (April 2018)
- another BH related mini-series (2018)

- Family Tree (Fall 2017 delayed)
- Hawkman ongoing series (rumored)

EDIT: it's the man, not the eye.

Manaf82 · Post by **Manaf82** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:00:18 am

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Manaf82 wrote:Plus "Gideon Falls" from Image with Andrea Sorrentino..

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Never heard of this one before but it sounds intriguing.

Looks like there's a reason he quit working for Marvel. Here's the updated list:

ONGOING
- Descender
- Royal City
- Bloodshot Salvation
- Sherlock Frankenstein and the Legion of Evil (Black Hammer related mini-series)

UPCOMING
- Hawkeye Found (one-shot/Metal tie-in) (DC, December)
- The Terrifics (DC; February 2018 - mini-series?)
- Gideon Falls (Image, March 2018)
- BH: Age of Doom (April 2018)
- another BH related mini-series (2018)

- Family Tree (Fall 2017 delayed)
- Hawkeye ongoing series (rumored)

It's Hawkman not Hawkeye..

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Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:32:42 am

Ooops!

WrathOfArmstrong · Post by **WrathOfArmstrong** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:48:07 pm

Here's my argument for Lemire being able to... http://jefflemire.blogspot.com/2016/08/ ... ocess.html

man has a writing system down and he seems to be months (even a year) in advance of publishing schedule.

I loved Wrath of Eternal Warrior. If Venditti could repeat that approach with Shadowman and flesh out more of his version of deadside, I'm sold.

tell · Post by **tell** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:35:13 pm

AnarchoMambo wrote:I wish I didn’t disagree with you guys, but there are some introconvertible facts here:

1) Jeff Lemire has like a zillion creator-owned and big-house plates spinning right now. Someone should compile a list.

2) He’s white and Canadian. Perhaps Valiant could be (should be?) gunning for Te-Nehisi Coates, or even Saladin Ahmed, if identity of the writer plays as much a part in the selection process as the writer’s pitch itself.

I personally have thought Lemire is doing Shadowman next for the same reason as everyone else, and I'd love it, his supernatural/horror stuff in the past has been amazing. I do agree that a southern black man character probably deserves a more culturally appropriate creative team. I'm not aware of any black writers that have done any horror/voodoo/supernatural/fantasy work but I'm always interested in a more diverse team of creatives and I believe it's in VEI's best interest to diversify.

Either way, I'll be hopeful and optimistic if it's a new and good writer, but if Lemire is confirmed I will be confident in the product from the start.

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