Out of Print A&A , Bloodshot Delux 1~ comments please.

[Phantom]

First of all this is still available new for cover in UK, just check Amazon.co.uk
Well maybe not cover, as I don't know what the actual cover price is. Is it the same for every Delux book? I usually buy at discount (amazon discount) These books might be standard cover price.

In USA these are selling for $100 ??? I don't know recorded sales.

So they are out of Print, which is a strange word in itself. Everybook is out of print as soon as it leaves the printer, its out of stock and rising in price.

Valiant could reprint these and make money. You only need a few people for an out of stock book to rise in price. 10 people want an out of stock book, the price will rise with each sale.
Valiant reprints the book, price drops ~ 10 people get their book ~ 490 left in a store room.

Valiant chooses not to reprint, word spreads that valiant trades are going up in price. Maybe news spreads a comic web sites pick it up, etc. Valiant is having a hard time getting noticed in the larger comic reading public. ANY news helps.

In this crowded market place with Valiant sitting on less than 1% of the market ~ ANY news of ANY sales of increased prices may raise an eyebrow and get someone to pick up at trade at cover/discount amazon to see what the hype is about.

Or valiant reprints, they get those 20, 30 sales and sit on 950 hardcovers they paid for. It goes back to discounted cover at amazon like every other Hardcover.
I say let it ride, don't reprint. Sit on the fact they are out of print.
Reprint latter in new trade dress, or drop the extras ~ so the original reprint actually remains collectable
? Then they know they can sell 100/ or another 1000.

Just saying.
I don't own all the Delux hardcovers, but I am moving that way in my reading habits. No I don't own the Bloodshot 1 yet, but its cover price if I want it in the uk.

[BloodShot]

First of all this is still available new for cover in UK, just check Amazon.co.uk

Actually, it isn't, and hasn't been for a little while.

To be clear, if you take a closer look at the AmazonUK listing (for copies actually sold through Amazon; IOW, not a different seller on Amazon) , you'll notice it states "Temporarily OOS". Trust me: they're completely OOS. But by all means, feel free to place an order...and wait...and wait...

That listed price is 35.99UK (or 44.53USD). And IF they were actually available for that price, that'd be a great deal. Well, at least as compared to what they've been selling for everywhere else over the last few weeks.

For example, the next listing that actually has a copy available is priced out at 148.26UK (that's 183.43USD !!). The one after that's 188.32UK, etc., etc., etc. You can see 'em all right here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listi ... 377&sr=8-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And, FWIW, the ONLY copy currently listed on eBay is a seller in Australia that has a used copy for 280.40USD :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-GD-Archer- ... SwTZ1XmNuX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suffice it to say, if you can find a 1st print copy available ANYwhere for under a hundred bucks, you should probably pick it up, IMNSHO.

Just me two pence,

-B

***And, although the price-point isn't "quite" as bad on the Bloodshot DELUXE HC V.1, available copies are few and far between on Amazon, still priced well above original cover, and there are currently NO copies available for sale on eBay.

Yet .

[Phantom]

Yep. You are correct.
for Archer and Armstrong, I internet failed in my post.

Bloodshot, I just picked up for cover. I don't have it, and if I have to pay full cover price .
It may be reprinted, or reprinted in a different format.

Really hope they don't do a straight reprint. If they reprint, it should be without the extras.

[BloodShot]

If they reprint, it should be without the extras.

Completely agree with you on that.

[wwise03]

Sweet! I have the Bkoodshot deluxe edition volume 1 still factory sealed. It may be time to put it on eBay!

Same with Archer & Armstrong vol 1.

[Joshua]

I hope the reprints happen. Been waiting forever for A&A to get reprinted.

[paradise]

So, let me weigh in on this.

Printing products, specially higher end HC type products is not cheap, and you need volume to make any money or it costs too much. There is virtually no way, in my opinion (I don't speak for them) Vei can print another batch of these, or the A&As.
They can do a new format, a new style (Omnibus, 1-12...) but not the same item, because most people who wanted that specific item, have already bought it.

Also, this is an older (for them), finished series. They are deep into the new Reborn series. What is the upside of reprinting the old volumes now. As it gets older, the chances of sales are slimmer and slimmer. They have to pay for holding space at Diamond's warehouse, so why pay for product that is old. And if you think that them putting it back into print will result in stores ordering in droves, you are DEAD WRONG. Most stores won't order a single copy, it's a 3 year old series that's been out for a while, and is also available in SCs.

A&A is even worse. They just started AND cancelled the sequel. The characters do not sell. How could they go into that well again?

Now, a disclaimer. i have a few of the Bloodshot vol1 HC left. A member here recently contacted me and I gave him a deal for $89 plus shipping. I will do the same for the next 2-3 people till I am out. The reason I have them is because we stock all the VEI backlist really deep. We have all or MOST of the HCs and TPBs. We have taken a crazy position on VEI books, it costs a lot of money but we did it because we believe in the products. I have posted our deals on VF many times, and a few (3-4) people here get their graphic novels from us. I hope some of you who don't consider doing so, to help me continue with my efforts to be a full support store for VEI.

[Phantom]

Paradise, thanks for posting that above. Valiant is not selling its physical product to the consumer ~ its selling to the retailers. So your comments from a retailer perspective was interesting.

The market for that hardcover has past. Maybe latter it will be collected differently in an omnibus etc.

I brought the Bloodshot Delux off amazon, the last one? at cover in UK. (maybe more out their obviously).
Went back to look today ~ massive price hike on the book at amazon (doesn't mean its worth that much).
I do recall the Dark Horse Magnus Robot fighter number 1 HArdcover being worth quite alot ~ $150 maybe on some valiant trades we will see a few HArdcovers retaining their value.

[nycjadie]

I buy all my HCs and TPBs from Ed. Great service. Better condition than Amazon. I've got a very nice collection of hardcovers now that I have not even opened. I'm pleased they are actually going to be worth something as opposed to the A and B covers I get;)

[tchalla8]

So, let me weigh in on this.

Printing products, specially higher end HC type products is not cheap, and you need volume to make any money or it costs too much. There is virtually no way, in my opinion (I don't speak for them) Vei can print another batch of these, or the A&As.
They can do a new format, a new style (Omnibus, 1-12...) but not the same item, because most people who wanted that specific item, have already bought it.

Also, this is an older (for them), finished series. They are deep into the new Reborn series. What is the upside of reprinting the old volumes now. As it gets older, the chances of sales are slimmer and slimmer. They have to pay for holding space at Diamond's warehouse, so why pay for product that is old. And if you think that them putting it back into print will result in stores ordering in droves, you are DEAD WRONG. Most stores won't order a single copy, it's a 3 year old series that's been out for a while, and is also available in SCs.

A&A is even worse. They just started AND cancelled the sequel. The characters do not sell. How could they go into that well again?

Now, a disclaimer. i have a few of the Bloodshot vol1 HC left. A member here recently contacted me and I gave him a deal for $89 plus shipping. I will do the same for the next 2-3 people till I am out. The reason I have them is because we stock all the VEI backlist really deep. We have all or MOST of the HCs and TPBs. We have taken a crazy position on VEI books, it costs a lot of money but we did it because we believe in the products. I have posted our deals on VF many times, and a few (3-4) people here get their graphic novels from us. I hope some of you who don't consider doing so, to help me continue with my efforts to be a full support store for VEI.

So what you're saying on these hardcovers is....buy 'em now or maybe buy 'em never.

Book of Death and Rai hardcovers are now out of stock on Amazon, and the third party market is now already up to $70 minimum for those two.

[paradise]

So what you're saying on these hardcovers is....buy 'em now or maybe buy 'em never.

Never telling anyone what to do, but I have been in business for 23 years and I would bet money that these books are not coming back in the same format. Different format, maybe but not deluxe hcs. The amount publisher needs to produce to break even is so high, it's not possible for them to sell even 10%.

[jeremycoe]

So, let me weigh in on this.

Printing products, specially higher end HC type products is not cheap, and you need volume to make any money or it costs too much. There is virtually no way, in my opinion (I don't speak for them) Vei can print another batch of these, or the A&As.
They can do a new format, a new style (Omnibus, 1-12...) but not the same item, because most people who wanted that specific item, have already bought it.

Also, this is an older (for them), finished series. They are deep into the new Reborn series. What is the upside of reprinting the old volumes now. As it gets older, the chances of sales are slimmer and slimmer. They have to pay for holding space at Diamond's warehouse, so why pay for product that is old. And if you think that them putting it back into print will result in stores ordering in droves, you are DEAD WRONG. Most stores won't order a single copy, it's a 3 year old series that's been out for a while, and is also available in SCs.

A&A is even worse. They just started AND cancelled the sequel. The characters do not sell. How could they go into that well again?

Now, a disclaimer. i have a few of the Bloodshot vol1 HC left. A member here recently contacted me and I gave him a deal for $89 plus shipping. I will do the same for the next 2-3 people till I am out. The reason I have them is because we stock all the VEI backlist really deep. We have all or MOST of the HCs and TPBs. We have taken a crazy position on VEI books, it costs a lot of money but we did it because we believe in the products. I have posted our deals on VF many times, and a few (3-4) people here get their graphic novels from us. I hope some of you who don't consider doing so, to help me continue with my efforts to be a full support store for VEI.

So what you're saying on these hardcovers is....buy 'em now or maybe buy 'em never.

Book of Death and Rai hardcovers are now out of stock on Amazon, and the third party market is now already up to $70 minimum for those two.

atomicempire.com has the Book of Death HC available at a discounted price.

EDIT: well, they did before I bought one. Looks like I might have nabbed their last one.

[tchalla8]

So what you're saying on these hardcovers is....buy 'em now or maybe buy 'em never.

Never telling anyone what to do, but I have been in business for 23 years and I would bet money that these books are not coming back in the same format. Different format, maybe but not deluxe hcs. The amount publisher needs to produce to break even is so high, it's not possible for them to sell even 10%.

Didn't mean to insinuate you were. Sorry if it seemed I implied that. No, I'm just agreeing with your point. People better jump on these Deluxe hardcovers sooner rather than later. They'll be impossible to come by at a cover price down the road.

[paradise]

...People better jump on these Deluxe hardcovers sooner rather than later. They'll be impossible to come by at a cover price down the road.

If there is a demand. It has to have both

[tchalla8]

...People better jump on these Deluxe hardcovers sooner rather than later. They'll be impossible to come by at a cover price down the road.

If there is a demand. It has to have both

Yeah, the demand thing is rather odd. Hard to believe the A&A Volume 1 was the first to go out of print. Unless they printed fewer of that one.

[paradise]

It is safe to assume that they are all printed with some type of estimated demand in mind

[BloodShot]

Now, a disclaimer. i have a few of the Bloodshot vol1 HC left. A member here recently contacted me and I gave him a deal for $89 plus shipping. I will do the same for the next 2-3 people till I am out. The reason I have them is because we stock all the VEI backlist really deep. We have all or MOST of the HCs and TPBs. We have taken a crazy position on VEI books, it costs a lot of money but we did it because we believe in the products. I have posted our deals on VF many times, and a few (3-4) people here get their graphic novels from us. I hope some of you who don't consider doing so, to help me continue with my efforts to be a full support store for VEI.

For those of you that might not be aware of my HC/TPB sales listing, I'd like to point out that I did have three of the Bloodshot DELUXE HC V.1's at this stage last week, and just sold the last copy yesterday:

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... =2&t=42557" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I pointed that out NOT as a means of some shameless self-advertising, but to let those of you know that don't browse the WTS/WTB forums, you should. Otherwise, you might just end up missing out .

Like Ed, I do try to help collectors out around here when I can .

[possumgrease]

I do not sell much of anything, but when I do, it's typically hardcovers that are in high demand and selling for well over the price I paid. The material is almost always a reprint that will one day be reprinted again and I have no emotional attachment to the books like I would the individual comic.

That being said, some stories just read better in a collected hardback and I think Van Lente's Archer & Armstrong is one of those stories.


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[Phantom]

I do find it funny that the Hardcover, even at cover, cost more than buying the comic.
Strange how the hardcover becomes collectable, but the comics are not.

Older comics I enjoy reading as comics, you get letters pages. Synopsis on inside cover, other titbits.
With current valiant, no letter pages. Bonus material in the Hardcover, maybe thats why I previously never read trades or Hardcovers, but now i Do.





Bloodshot, I would have brought from you, but international postage kills it for me.

[jeremycoe]

I do find it funny that the Hardcover, even at cover, cost more than buying the comic.
Strange how the hardcover becomes collectable, but the comics are not.

Older comics I enjoy reading as comics, you get letters pages. Synopsis on inside cover, other titbits.
With current valiant, no letter pages. Bonus material in the Hardcover, maybe thats why I previously never read trades or Hardcovers, but now i Do.

Valiant's hardcovers are typically cheaper than the individual comics. You usually get 12-14 issues worth for $40 where the individual issues would cost $48 - $56 or so. I'm not sure if that still holds true on your side of the pond, though.

[Zhuge1]

I do find it funny that the Hardcover, even at cover, cost more than buying the comic.
Strange how the hardcover becomes collectable, but the comics are not.

Older comics I enjoy reading as comics, you get letters pages. Synopsis on inside cover, other titbits.
With current valiant, no letter pages. Bonus material in the Hardcover, maybe thats why I previously never read trades or Hardcovers, but now i Do.

Valiant's hardcovers are typically cheaper than the individual comics. You usually get 12-14 issues worth for $40 where the individual issues would cost $48 - $56 or so. I'm not sure if that still holds true on your side of the pond, though.

Yeah, and honestly, you can usually get them for less than the $40 cover price. For example, Shadowman deluxe edition 1 is selling for just over $28 on Amazon.

[Captain Craig]

Valiant's hardcovers are typically cheaper than the individual comics. You usually get 12-14 issues worth for $40 where the individual issues would cost $48 - $56 or so. I'm not sure if that still holds true on your side of the pond, though.

That's the case on about 85% of the Marvel & DC hardcovers/Omnis as well.
It's why trade waiting is much more beneficial and why I'm all but done with monthlies from the Big 2. Already off of DC. Once Marvel cancels what I'm reading now, I'll be done with them. Leaving only VEI and IDW's TMNT as my monthly reads.

Take the upcoming Bendis GotG Omni, it's 46 issues, 45 not counting the FCBD issue.
At base price, no tax considered, it's 45x$4=$180 One of those is an Annual which was likely $4.99 or 5.99 honestly but anyway.
Let's say you have a nice Hold File Subscription Service at your LCS, where you get 25% off your books.
At that price it's 45x$3=$135 Now you've gotten much closer to the price of the Omni which is $125---However!

No one here is new to the online retailers such as CheapGraphicNovels, InStockTrades or SpeedyHen. Those places offer 40-50% off the first week of release. That Bendis GotG Omni will be $62.50usd the day/week it debuts.
After you factor in tax you can not beat the value per dollar per issue of trade waiting 80-85% of the time.

Regardless of ones opinion on the material within is irrelevant to my point, so, save me that comment.

Deadpool by Posehn is going to be 53 issues for $100 retail msrp. It'll be $49 at IST day/week of release.

[Phantom]

I think I worded my comment wrong.

By the time the hardcover comes out, the comics are usually cheaper.
Pretty sure I could pick up pretty much every current valiant book for a £1 or less (if i could find them ~ saying that, London monthly comic fair would have them).

We talk about the hardcover being discounted after release, but pretty much every comic book published from every publisher can be found cheaper after a month. Most are £1, but you may have to look arround to complete your run ~ so thats why people pay cover ~ or location, maybe you are in an area without comic book fairs to get books cheap.

Anyway, look at Quantum Woody Omnibus of Accliam. A complete run on ebay, is usually cheaper than the omnibus, I know it is in England.

But thats kinda off topic information, you buy a hardcover for the physical book ~ extra contents and ease of use. Different market. I like both comics and hardcovers. But moving towards hardcovers. As long as they keep same dust cover dress I will be happy.

[mkb28]

Another nice feature of the trades and HC's is the better paper quality than the monthly issues. I also spend a lot of time in an airplane for work and it is easy to throw a couple trades or a HC into my backpack. Try doing that with the monthly issues. On my recent flight to CA, I read two trades on the way there and two trades on the way home.

Mkb28

[Captain Craig]

I think I worded my comment wrong.
By the time the hardcover comes out, the comics are usually cheaper.
Pretty sure I could pick up pretty much every current valiant book for a £1 or less (if i could find them ~ saying that, London monthly comic fair would have them).

That's still a good gamble. It's that way here as well. You can go to comic shows and the $1 bins are full of stuff. However, it's usually the same dozen+ titles and usually always just Marvel & DC. Valiant isn't ordered that heavy so the likelihood of their being surplus VEI $1 books is limited. Even then, should you find some, you're likely to go months before finding another dealer that has some, if they even have what you need to plug the gaps.