Renegade Replacement?
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Renegade Replacement?
So if Torque REALLY is dead
Do we want to see someone new join the group at some point?
Who would you want it to be?
Maybe a GEN Zero or Psiot kid that didn't get captured (Hive?, Animalia/Monica Jim?)??
.. or a completely new character?
I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
Do we want to see someone new join the group at some point?
Who would you want it to be?
Maybe a GEN Zero or Psiot kid that didn't get captured (Hive?, Animalia/Monica Jim?)??
.. or a completely new character?
I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
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Re: Renegade Replacement?
In a few months there is an issue dedicated to Animalia, so I think she is a good bet. Her animal constructs are a similar power set to Torque's and she would add even more diversity to the cast. That would also leave Pete as the only male on the group, though, so someone like Isaiah/Little Castle would make sense as well.
I'd really like to see hive explored more, but I think he would make a great villain. Traveller is another possibility as well. Eventually I'd like to see the two of them rejoin Cronus and Telic as Gen Zero, though.
I'd really like to see hive explored more, but I think he would make a great villain. Traveller is another possibility as well. Eventually I'd like to see the two of them rejoin Cronus and Telic as Gen Zero, though.
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Animalia is a stupid character.
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Re: Renegade Replacement?
+1 I think Ax is a character that has much better potential than how he was wrote in VH1. Dysart could make him awesome.bygranddesign wrote: I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
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+1 I think Ax is a character that has much more potential than how he was wrote in VH1. Dysart could make him awesome.bygranddesign wrote: I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
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Re: Renegade Replacement?
Yep, I Agree .. I think Animalia will be joining the renegades.BugsySig wrote:In a few months there is an issue dedicated to Animalia, so I think she is a good bet. Her animal constructs are a similar power set to Torque's and she would add even more diversity to the cast. That would also leave Pete as the only male on the group, though, so someone like Isaiah/Little Castle would make sense as well.
I'd really like to see hive explored more, but I think he would make a great villain. Traveller is another possibility as well. Eventually I'd like to see the two of them rejoin Cronus and Telic as Gen Zero, though.
Hive is interesting ... I could definitely see the monsters that he has consumed eventually consuming him and becoming a villain. But then again he also absorbed the little girl .. maybe she will help him from going Dark side.
And H-e-double hockey sticks yeah to a Gen Zero reformation at some point

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Re: Renegade Replacement?
Animalia is probably the best suited, that said, aren't there other kids on the run? Not all went with Cronus or Bloodshot following the escape from PRD. Perhaps one (or more) of those will end up joining the Renegades.
Also, I'm wondering when we'll see more of Blaster - I liked his confrontation with Bloodshot at PRS prior to HW...
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Re: Renegade Replacement?
Its funny that people are saying animalia because months back when that cover was first released I told my brother that was the sixth member of the renegades.... Little did I know she would be taking torques placebygranddesign wrote:Yep, I Agree .. I think Animalia will be joining the renegades.BugsySig wrote:In a few months there is an issue dedicated to Animalia, so I think she is a good bet. Her animal constructs are a similar power set to Torque's and she would add even more diversity to the cast. That would also leave Pete as the only male on the group, though, so someone like Isaiah/Little Castle would make sense as well.
I'd really like to see hive explored more, but I think he would make a great villain. Traveller is another possibility as well. Eventually I'd like to see the two of them rejoin Cronus and Telic as Gen Zero, though.
Hive is interesting ... I could definitely see the monsters that he has consumed eventually consuming him and becoming a villain. But then again he also absorbed the little girl .. maybe she will help him from going Dark side.
And H-e-double hockey sticks yeah to a Gen Zero reformation at some point

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Re: Renegade Replacement?
Isn't Animalia rather young? That might limit the types of stories we'd see in Harbinger. *If* Torque is dead (and I don't think he is) and there is a replacement for him, I imagine it will be someone of a similar age/maturity as the rest of the team.bygranddesign wrote:So if Torque REALLY is dead
Do we want to see someone new join the group at some point?
Who would you want it to be?
Maybe a GEN Zero or Psiot kid that didn't get captured (Hive?, Animalia/Monica Jim?)??
.. or a completely new character?
I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
Dysart told us that they folded Ax's powers into Livewire, so I don't expect to see him any time soon.
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She and Torque are probably about the same mental age and maturity.kjjohanson wrote:Isn't Animalia rather young? That might limit the types of stories we'd see in Harbinger. *If* Torque is dead (and I don't think he is) and there is a replacement for him, I imagine it will be someone of a similar age/maturity as the rest of the team.bygranddesign wrote:So if Torque REALLY is dead
Do we want to see someone new join the group at some point?
Who would you want it to be?
Maybe a GEN Zero or Psiot kid that didn't get captured (Hive?, Animalia/Monica Jim?)??
.. or a completely new character?
I'd love to see a re-imagined Ax enter the picture at some point. One of my favorite characters from VH1 - he'd be with the group a short time before going all evil-like.
Dysart told us that they folded Ax's powers into Livewire, so I don't expect to see him any time soon.
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Re: Renegade Replacement?
This is a pretty interesting topic. I doubt we are all going to predict what happens next. Valiant, and Dysart in particular have been great about not spoiling major plot points, Harby #15 as an example.
Maybe they won't take on an extra member?
If they do, I don't see the age thing making a difference. These are all broken kids. Yes, they're still kids. Late teens. Haven't you ever seen older kids corrupt younger ones? I'm sure they would accept a younger member, and maybe try to have the best intentions to protect them, but ultimately, wind up showing this younger person more about the world than they should ever know at such a young age. And I can see that being an excellently fleshed out plot point by Dysart.
Anyway, I'm cool with it being Animalia, or any one else. But maybe no one else? Hmmm....?
Maybe they won't take on an extra member?
If they do, I don't see the age thing making a difference. These are all broken kids. Yes, they're still kids. Late teens. Haven't you ever seen older kids corrupt younger ones? I'm sure they would accept a younger member, and maybe try to have the best intentions to protect them, but ultimately, wind up showing this younger person more about the world than they should ever know at such a young age. And I can see that being an excellently fleshed out plot point by Dysart.
Anyway, I'm cool with it being Animalia, or any one else. But maybe no one else? Hmmm....?
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I'm not a fan of her name. If they start calling her Annie or something then I'm on board.Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote: Anyway, I'm cool with it being Animalia, or any one else. But maybe no one else? Hmmm....?
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+1, but my vote is we call her 'mali'Blood of Heroes wrote:I'm not a fan of her name. If they start calling her Annie or something then I'm on board.Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote: Anyway, I'm cool with it being Animalia, or any one else. But maybe no one else? Hmmm....?
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I'm still hoping a replacement isn't needed, but we'll see. I'm not sure what to think of Animalia yet or if I would want her as a replacement or not if one is needed. Dysart didn't call to consult with me this time, so I'm uncertain as to what will be happening. 

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Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
Guys?
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I think it's unique, it's original, it's different, it's fun
Why would a projected realistic lion be more acceptable than a projected Disney looking lion?
Especially when it's like a 10 year old girl
I think it's a cool, fun idea ... And I like that Dysart took a chance in creating the character
Why would a projected realistic lion be more acceptable than a projected Disney looking lion?
Especially when it's like a 10 year old girl
I think it's a cool, fun idea ... And I like that Dysart took a chance in creating the character
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She projects forms of anything that she's seen. The only things she's had access to are kids cartoons. Now that she's out in the real world, she could have a chace to pick up alot more ammunition for things she could project around herself. Torque could probably do the same, but his mental reservations force him to keep up only his 'cool' Torquehalla mask.KXXX wrote:Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
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Aha... that makes the possibilities far more intriguing.Phoenix8008 wrote:She projects forms of anything that she's seen. The only things she's had access to are kids cartoons. Now that she's out in the real world, she could have a chace to pick up alot more ammunition for things she could project around herself. Torque could probably do the same, but his mental reservations force him to keep up only his 'cool' Torquehalla mask.KXXX wrote:Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
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Fixed that for you. Torque is dead. I have a Harbinger #1 gold riding on it.Phoenix8008 wrote:She projects forms of anything that she's seen. The only things she's had access to are kids cartoons. Now that she's out in the real world, she could have a chace to pick up alot more ammunition for things she could project around herself. Torque could probably do the same, but his mental reservations forced him to keep up only his 'cool' Torquehalla mask.KXXX wrote:Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
You also beat me to this response, so I had to find something to add to the conversation. I would love for Animalia to be added as Torque's replacement.
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Sorry that I have to hope you lose your bet, but I'm still hoping that he not a goner just yet. Time will tell.lorddunlow wrote:Fixed that for you. Torque is dead. I have a Harbinger #1 gold riding on it.Phoenix8008 wrote:She projects forms of anything that she's seen. The only things she's had access to are kids cartoons. Now that she's out in the real world, she could have a chace to pick up alot more ammunition for things she could project around herself. Torque could probably do the same, but his mental reservations forced him to keep up only his 'cool' Torquehalla mask.KXXX wrote:Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
You also beat me to this response, so I had to find something to add to the conversation. I would love for Animalia to be added as Torque's replacement.
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I actually don't want him to be dead. He was such an awesome character. But I am convinced that this was the plan from day 1.Phoenix8008 wrote:Sorry that I have to hope you lose your bet, but I'm still hoping that he not a goner just yet. Time will tell.lorddunlow wrote:Fixed that for you. Torque is dead. I have a Harbinger #1 gold riding on it.Phoenix8008 wrote:She projects forms of anything that she's seen. The only things she's had access to are kids cartoons. Now that she's out in the real world, she could have a chace to pick up alot more ammunition for things she could project around herself. Torque could probably do the same, but his mental reservations forced him to keep up only his 'cool' Torquehalla mask.KXXX wrote:Guys, I'm sorry... are we talking about the character whose goofy power is that she projects Disney-esque cartoon animals that stick out like a sore thumb against otherwise decent art?
Guys?
You also beat me to this response, so I had to find something to add to the conversation. I would love for Animalia to be added as Torque's replacement.
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