How many DU's & Defuncts (DFT) can you count ?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:32:46 pm

Knightt wrote:IMO Charlton needs to go on the list as they had some GREAT books for back then. Just my two cents as I have some VERY good memories from those books.

I also want to mention Tower Comics as they did a fine run of T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents and a few others related to the team:

Tower Comics (1965-1969)
Dynamo (4 issues, a THUNDER Agents spin-off)
Fight the Enemy (3 issues, war title)
NoMan (2 issues, a THUNDER Agents spin-off)
Teen-in (4 issues, teen comics)
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (20 issues)
Tippy Teen (27 issues, teen comics)
Tippy's Friends Go-go and Animal (15 issues, teen comics)
UNDERSEA Agent (6 issues, minimal ties with THUNDER Agents)

Then they were printed under JC Comics:

JC Publications (1981)

JCP FEATURES #1

JC Comics (1983)

T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #1
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #2

HALL OF FAME featuring
the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #1
HALL OF FAME featuring
the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #2
HALL OF FAME featuring
the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #3

Red Circle (1983)
Blue Ribbon Comics #12 (one-shot)

and finally

Deluxe Comics (1984-1986)

Wally Wood's
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #1
Wally Wood's
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #2
Wally Wood's
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #3
Wally Wood's
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #4
Wally Wood's
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS #5

Some truly great books IMO and currently at the front of one of my DU boxes. Some classic characters and stories that transcended different companies in the likes of The Justice Machine and Hero Alliance. (But those two super teams are ANOTHER story - more on those later hehehe)

And I can't say enough about Red Circle comics as well. Very nice line and I have two issues of The Fly with Jim Steranko cover art that is GREAT. Correct me if I am wrong but many of the Red Circle characters were revived in Impact! Comics... yes ?

I gott say i have a big thing for Charlton indeed.
The only reason i dont have them on the list is they dont fit the age bracket.
Plus the main stuff they did ( superheroes) still exist withing DC, so they dont make it for now, but ill have a big long think about compiling a Super heroes list only

Tower comics are the same really even though they are lovely and i own some too, they only have a smattering of stuff after the 80's.

I will put these in pending till i make up my mind

I got red circle down already. They are so underrated.

cheers dude.

Hows that new job my man?

Im guessing its keeping you majorly busy.

Ian

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:34:29 pm

Here's a few more I thought worthy of consideration:

Jademan
Kitchen Sink
Lodestone (small, but some cool books)
London Night Studios

Nemesis Publishing (again, small, but they had Ultraman and Seaquest, good stuff)

New England Comics (mostly Tick related stuff, but some appeared unrelated)

Northstar Publications

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:56:15 pm

Draco wrote:I will put these in pending till i make up my mind

This nifty 'edit' button that I have can make up your mind.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:18:13 am

Knightt wrote:
Draco wrote:I will put these in pending till i make up my mind
This nifty 'edit' button that I have can make up your mind.

Thats just plain wrong dude. Wrong.

But at the same time so damn funny

So looks like Tower comics are in guys.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:59:27 am

hehehe, did you check your master list at the bottom yet ?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:07:26 am

Knightt wrote:hehehe, did you check your master list at the bottom yet ?

.....and then the thread suddenly went gay for you.

EWWWWWW !!!.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:32:37 pm

Brother J wrote:Here's a few more I thought worthy of consideration:

Jademan
Kitchen Sink
Lodestone (small, but some cool books)
London Night Studios

Nemesis Publishing (again, small, but they had Ultraman and Seaquest, good stuff)

New England Comics (mostly Tick related stuff, but some appeared unrelated)

Northstar Publications

almost done my Mile High small publisher list scour, done all the way until T. Here's a few more:

Parody Press (parody comics, but a lot of them)
Personality Comics
Revolutionary Comics (Rock' n Roll Comics)
Silverwolf (Grips and a bunch of other titles)
Solson (did a lot of those How to Draw books and a lot more)

Pied Piper is another one to add to the Malibu acquistion list

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:37:43 pm

Brother J wrote:
Brother J wrote:Here's a few more I thought worthy of consideration:

Jademan
Kitchen Sink
Lodestone (small, but some cool books)
London Night Studios

Nemesis Publishing (again, small, but they had Ultraman and Seaquest, good stuff)

New England Comics (mostly Tick related stuff, but some appeared unrelated)

Northstar Publications
almost done my Mile High small publisher list scour, done all the way until T. Here's a few more:

Parody Press (parody comics, but a lot of them)
Personality Comics
Revolutionary Comics (Rock' n Roll Comics)
Silverwolf (Grips and a bunch of other titles)
Solson (did a lot of those How to Draw books and a lot more)
Pied Piper is another one to add to the Malibu acquistion list

Jademan. Just reprints and not of the Superhero kind, although rather damn good.

Kitchen sink did a good chunk of stuff that may well fit into the DFT list nicely, but ill put in pending for now.

Lodestone. Yes Cockrum's Futurians, Evangeline. Nuff said

London night studios. Smut with a bit of horror and vampire chick to boot. Nah. Might delete other stuff like it. i.e Chaos

Nemesis. Nah. Cant even find them on Milehigh?

New England. Winner !!!

Northstar. Nasty horror with porn mixed in, but it gets added cos it was incredible art for the main.

Parody Press. Has to be done. Some very good stuff to be fair. I loved some of this. Youngspud genuinely was so much better than the original its scary.

Personality Comics. Nah. not comicy enough. More documentary.

Revolutionary. Same as above.

Silverwolf. Nah thses types of publishers are really so not good enough overall IMO. I might lose the Malibu imprints for same reason.

Solson. Nah. same as Personality ect

Pied piper. Nah the Hero Alliance can be added to innovation.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:43:25 pm

Draco wrote: Nemesis. Nah. Cant even find them on Milehigh?

Here's a pretty complete Nemesis/Ultracomics checklist Defiant1 and I worked on (he did most of it).

http://www34.websamba.com/quato/Nemesis ... index.html

We combined the two companies because they both produced different series of the Ultraman comic book. He discovered they were both imprints of Harvey comics. I think it's a neat little line to collect since they only had a few titles but quite a few variant issues. Nothing super scarce as far as I know, either.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:29:04 pm

(snicker)

"uh oh, you and Knightt have something in common"

Rocket2600 · Post by **Rocket2600** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:15:44 pm

Parody Press (parody comics, but a lot of them)

Honestly, this is an imprint of Entity (Express) Comics. It was started by Bill Maus.

I have quite a few of these.

_

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun May 04, 2008 9:45:09 am

Would DC's Tangent Comics count as a dead universe? Tangent was two
"5th Week" events (DC would did a whole bunch of these) that took an
established DCU character's name and would totaly re-invent them in a
series of one-shots.
DC did 2 lines of the Tangent Univers one-shots. I thought some of the concepts were pretty damn cool.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun May 04, 2008 1:02:21 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Would DC's Tangent Comics count as a dead universe? Tangent was two
"5th Week" events (DC would did a whole bunch of these) that took an
established DCU character's name and would totaly re-invent them in a
series of one-shots.
DC did 2 lines of the Tangent Univers one-shots. I thought some of the concepts were pretty damn cool.

I think they were very underrated in terms of quality, as the industry was still shy of such ideas still after the 90' fallout, but DC are using them as we speak in the JLA and they actually have a new Tangent series running right now.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon May 05, 2008 3:28:10 pm

Draco wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:Would DC's Tangent Comics count as a dead universe? Tangent was two
"5th Week" events (DC would did a whole bunch of these) that took an
established DCU character's name and would totaly re-invent them in a
series of one-shots.
DC did 2 lines of the Tangent Univers one-shots. I thought some of the concepts were pretty damn cool.
I think they were very underrated in terms of quality, as the industry was still shy of such ideas still after the 90' fallout, but DC are using them as we speak in the JLA and they actually have a new Tangent series running right now.

Reign of the Superman

I think it's a 12 issue limited series.

Ultimate DC. Two strikes against it already, but I read it.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon May 05, 2008 4:39:54 pm

Chiclo wrote:
Draco wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:Would DC's Tangent Comics count as a dead universe? Tangent was two
"5th Week" events (DC would did a whole bunch of these) that took an
established DCU character's name and would totaly re-invent them in a
series of one-shots.
DC did 2 lines of the Tangent Univers one-shots. I thought some of the concepts were pretty damn cool.
I think they were very underrated in terms of quality, as the industry was still shy of such ideas still after the 90' fallout, but DC are using them as we speak in the JLA and they actually have a new Tangent series running right now.

Reign of the Superman

I think it's a 12 issue limited series.

Ultimate DC. Two strikes against it already, but I read it.

good to see you back dude.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon May 05, 2008 5:25:09 pm

One thing we might consider is adding some of the companies that consolidated into Malibu.

I can think of Amazing, Pied Piper and Eternity. All three printed Ex-Mutants books and the title was revived under Malibu Genesis.

Aircel was another independant that was gobbled up by Malibu and the name continued as an imprint.

Maybe Malibu in general?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:41:05 pm

Chiclo wrote:One thing we might consider is adding some of the companies that consolidated into Malibu.

I can think of Amazing, Pied Piper and Eternity. All three printed Ex-Mutants books and the title was revived under Malibu Genesis.

Aircel was another independant that was gobbled up by Malibu and the name continued as an imprint.

Maybe Malibu in general?

I've been presenting the names of the companies that were later acquired by Malibu as most of them were big deals back in the Black and White Explosion Era of the late 80's. It's up to Draco how he wants to use them.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue May 06, 2008 2:33:33 am

Brother J wrote:
Chiclo wrote:One thing we might consider is adding some of the companies that consolidated into Malibu.

I can think of Amazing, Pied Piper and Eternity. All three printed Ex-Mutants books and the title was revived under Malibu Genesis.

Aircel was another independant that was gobbled up by Malibu and the name continued as an imprint.

Maybe Malibu in general?
I've been presenting the names of the companies that were later acquired by Malibu as most of them were big deals back in the Black and White Explosion Era of the late 80's. It's up to Draco how he wants to use them.

If you guys look under the DFT section i have the Malibu imprints all in one hit.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:14:44 am

Draco wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Chiclo wrote:One thing we might consider is adding some of the companies that consolidated into Malibu.

I can think of Amazing, Pied Piper and Eternity. All three printed Ex-Mutants books and the title was revived under Malibu Genesis.

Aircel was another independant that was gobbled up by Malibu and the name continued as an imprint.

Maybe Malibu in general?
I've been presenting the names of the companies that were later acquired by Malibu as most of them were big deals back in the Black and White Explosion Era of the late 80's. It's up to Draco how he wants to use them.
If you guys look under the DFT section i have the Malibu imprints all in one hit.

I still think you should add Pied Piper, if you're going to have one, might as well have them all...

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun May 11, 2008 7:42:47 am

I just read the updated list and need to point out that none of the Malibu/Bravura Comics were NOT in any kind of shared universe.
It was an imprint similar to Marvel's Epic comics.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun May 11, 2008 8:00:55 am

Cyberstrike wrote:I just read the updated list and need to point out that none of the Malibu/Bravura Comics were NOT in any kind of shared universe.
It was an imprint similar to Marvel's Epic comics.

Very good point dude.

Also to let all know that are helping, im going to clean up next week and give a final definitive list of what DUs and what Dfts im going for.
I will also provide reasoning for the disclusion of some too.

cheers

Draco

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:27:41 pm

I often do not 'need' the connectivity of a 'shared universe' to qualify as a 'dead universe'. In a way, I also look at this section as a place to discuss, share info, trade, etc comics from companies that no longer produce comics. Ultraverse had comics that crossed over within it's spectrum and then moreoverso into Marvel when they were bought out by 'M'. In the case of Bravura, it is a bit special because it was not set up to 'crossover' but yet the majority of the 'titles' are no longer in print YET, we have the Nocturnals who have taken on a fanbase and we still see them from time to time.

Universes that are 'dead' is the majority theme here but I will allow other titles to fall into a 'Misc' facet of this gem that I have dubbed 'Dead Universes'.

Bottom line if the books or the comic book company are no longer in publication, they can be discussed here. I will not get bogged down with the minute details of a comic book universe's DNA strands to figure out whether or not they 'fit' into the DU section. We have a definative 'theme' but I will allow 'Misc' books into the DU section as well.

Sometimes we may see a DU become active again, such as the New Universe books coming out from Marvel... but I will not take that 'old' list out of the section. Just like if Ultraverse sees the light of day from the Marvel vaults in the future, it will still stay. They were books printed in the past and died out... I am flexible like that.

A definative Dead Universe is the major theme here... but lets have a 'misc' section as well. The section is as diverse as it's members and is a playground for everybody to play in... just don't pee in the sandbox.

tictuck · Post by **tictuck** » Sun May 11, 2008 3:17:34 pm

Knightt wrote:I often do not 'need' the connectivity of a 'shared universe' to qualify as a 'dead universe'. In a way, I also look at this section as a place to discuss, share info, trade, etc comics from companies that no longer produce comics. Ultraverse had comics that crossed over within it's spectrum and then moreoverso into Marvel when they were bought out by 'M'. In the case of Bravura, it is a bit special because it was not set up to 'crossover' but yet the majority of the 'titles' are no longer in print YET, we have the Nocturnals who have taken on a fanbase and we still see them from time to time.

Universes that are 'dead' is the majority theme here but I will allow other titles to fall into a 'Misc' facet of this gem that I have dubbed 'Dead Universes'.

Bottom line if the books or the comic book company are no longer in publication, they can be discussed here. I will not get bogged down with the minute details of a comic book universe's DNA strands to figure out whether or not they 'fit' into the DU section. We have a definative 'theme' but I will allow 'Misc' books into the DU section as well.

Sometimes we may see a DU become active again, such as the New Universe books coming out from Marvel... but I will not take that 'old' list out of the section. Just like if Ultraverse sees the light of day from the Marvel vaults in the future, it will still stay. They were books printed in the past and died out... I am flexible like that.

A definative Dead Universe is the major theme here... but lets have a 'misc' section as well. The section is as diverse as it's members and is a playground for everybody to play in... just don't pee in the sandbox.

You could split up DU's from DC's (Dead Companies). Although that may make things too convoluted (hope I spelled that right

)

for some but just a thought

Hope I didn't pee in anyones pool or sandbox

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sun May 11, 2008 3:25:39 pm

This is why i split my list into two.

They all qualify, but under closer inspection some are Dead Universes and some are Defunct publishers, but as you quite rightly say, dead may the theme but all these others fit nicely too.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sun May 11, 2008 4:11:32 pm

Let's just lump them together and if the info helps someone, great... no problem in spreading information and discussion. If two guys can refer to a checklist from a DU or a DC and complete their collections, then all the better.