Holy Shadowman! (...and CGC off-topic posts...)

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:07:32 pm

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... %3AIT&rd=1

This is an eye opener....must be due to all the variants pumping up the price. But still....

I saw that Greg (I think it was you??) also picked up an Armorines V.2 #4 from the same seller. Greg I was going to go $10 bucks on that one but totally snoozed my chances away that day! That book is a *SQUEE* to find!

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:22:10 pm

lobo wrote:http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... %3AIT&rd=1

This is an eye opener....must be due to all the variants pumping up the price. But still....

I saw that Greg (I think it was you??) also picked up an Armorines V.2 #4 from the same seller. Greg I was going to go $10 bucks on that one but totally snoozed my chances away that day! That book is a *SQUEE* to find!

WOW

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:03:06 pm

Wow is right. There were several bidders trying to get this lot too, not
just a couple fighting it out. I wonder if owners of these books
will start to take notice.
DAN

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:16:23 pm

sonicdan wrote:Wow is right. There were several bidders trying to get this lot too, not
just a couple fighting it out. I wonder if owners of these books
will start to take notice.
DAN

I did

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:58:48 pm

It wasn't even a complete set. He didn't have a regular copy of Shadowman #2, just the variant!

dino · Post by **dino** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:29:19 am

Heres the thing. NONE of these bidders is a regular board member. These books are much easier to find then the print runs would have you believe. Its a case of people bidding because of the numbers, speculation if u ask me.

RyanMcLelland · Post by **RyanMcLelland** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:47:03 am

Two hundred dollars!?!?!?/! That's it...I"m selling mine...there's a bar out there that everyone surely needs a round bought for them.

AND I WILL BUY THAT ROUND!

Look out E-bay...here comes Ryan.

twofour · Post by **twofour** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:51:11 am

I think I'm going to send my set to CGC and let them grade them. They are in excellent condition!

twofour

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:22:01 pm

The winner tomorrowtoo might not be a regular board member, but they have been bidding on Valiant books for quite a while. I think he or she really wanted the books. I hope none of these bidders think they can buy these books at these prices and flip them for more.

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:30:20 pm

dino wrote:Heres the thing. NONE of these bidders is a regular board member. These books are much easier to find then the print runs would have you believe. Its a case of people bidding because of the numbers, speculation if u ask me.

I don't think these books are that easy to find at least in true NM grade and I'm not totally convinced its speculator driven.
Why would these people start heavy speculation in low printrun Acclaims? Has Wizard or some other source been pumping them up lately? Is it because these books are an offshoot of the mini Valiant resurgance?
I could guess that the crowd who like to collect early 80s independent books because of rarity or obscurity are starting to target books from the 90s that are in the same vein.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:31:45 pm

Knightt_333 wrote:Here we go with CGC again... when will these boards return to their intended purpose or at least what the site name implies. VALIANT COMICS AND NOT CGC.

That's it. I'm taking all of Knight's books and sending them in to CGC.

And his kids, too.

Maybe his dog.

And maybe the wife.

See how he likes it.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:18:53 pm

UnknownTales wrote:I agree. This board was about valiant comics and what we read and collected. Its now about selling, CGC, and who's got more. Its sad to see the board change by people who value thier collection by CGC dollars instead of what the characters meant to us. I have ZERO books from my valiant collection CGC'd. Although I am probably now in the minority, I believe I am in the majority when reading my collection.

I thought the original idea of rescuing Valiants was because we cared about the company, not what cash we can make from it. Maybe I misread the rescuing thread awhile ago.

It is just a reflection of the changes in the market. Prices are going up. High dollar auctions. Coverage in Wizard & overstreet. Most people are talking about these changes and such.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:44:12 pm

Not sure why some have to complain about what others want to discuss. These message boards have always had posts about "look at the great deal I got on these Valiants". It's a natural continuation of that that people want to maximize the value of any high grade Valiants they find and might like to re-sell. Getting top dollar on almost any high grade comic nowadays requires having the book certified. Some may not like it, but it's the truth. Compare the price of any raw book to a CGC book. Not even close. That's because many collectors want the certainty of third party grading.

I think most of the people who post here have a love for Valiant, they don't just see it as a way to make money. I have one of the many complete Valiant runs that are accounted for in this site's inventory database and not one of those books is CGC'ed. Why? Because I intend on keeping these books for quite a long time and not re-selling them. I also have several CGC'ed copies of other Valiant keys, none of which I sent in myself. Why? Because I recognize the value of these books, both to me and to other collectors. All of the CGC books I have picked up have been at what I considered bargain or very fair prices. I buy these books for two reasons, because I feel it is worth the money and also because I have the feeling I could potentially re-sell the book at some point and make a profit. Is there something wrong with that?

I enjoy Valiant comics and believe the extra books I pick up, either CGC or raw are good values if I pay the right price and also feel they are a good way to make some extra cash when someone else comes along that is willing to pay more for the book to have it so they can complete THEIR collection.

Otherwise, why hoard multiple copies of any Valiant book? Do you read every copy of every Valiant book that you acquire, even the ones you already have? I doubt it. You acquire extra copies because you think it's worth it to have them. Whether you re-sell them or not is your business, but you see the value of those books. That's why a lot of us here will brag about having nine Harbinger Pinks or 30 copies of Solar #1. You don't usually hear anyone brag about having a whole longbox of Turok #1, in fact it's kind of embarassing.

Part of the fun of this Valiant resurgence is the thrill of the hunt, finding books that you value and getting them for a bargain price from someone who doesn't value them the way you do. Of course we care about these books because of the great stories included. If these books were crap, I don't think anyone would get too excited about finding them for any price.

To close this, not everyone is going to like every post that is presented on these boards. There's plenty of stuff discussed that I could give a rat's rip about. Howeever, if I don't want to discuss something, I usually just don't reply. Maybe the people who don't want to discuss graded comics could give that same courtesy to those of us that would like to discuss them.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:08:15 pm

UnknownTales wrote:Once again, you talk about the money side of valiant. you even mentioned "change in the market.' Its too bad people see valiant as cash and not stories to collect.

Sorry but you are wrong. Most of us collect Valiant for more than one reason. Great Stories, great art, collectability, reliving our youth, great characters, being able to collect an entire companies works, and many other reasons. There is even threads about trying to get new stories published as well.

Maybe you just haven't looked through enogh threads.

We discuss all aspects of collecting Valiant. If you don't want to read about how Shadowman Vol 3 got over 200.00 is shocking to people then don't read it.

A simple solution is to start your own thread and talk about what you want. Don't complain about what others find interesting.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:09:36 pm

x-omatic wrote: A simple solution is to start your own thread and talk about what you want. Don't complain about what others find interesting.

Why should he start another one when he can derail this one?

Furthermore, I believe it was this forum and the people who have been contributing to it that have recently restored the popularity of owning Valiant comics. The others may play nice with you Unknown Tales but I'm not going to sit by and let your hypocrisy and slander go unchallenged. If it wasn’t for Greg, X-omatic, Dino, Brother J, Knightt_333, Dawgphan and the others I would be paying some ebayer $200 to finish my collection instead of $2.00 from those who post here. But then again, I must be one of those generalized people you are talking about so forgive my interruption. Feel free to continue your postings about why we are thieves and profiteers.

twofour · Post by **twofour** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:25:56 pm

Uh, ok, I won't send my Shadowman Volume 3 collection to CGC because they... are.... evil? Yes, they are EVIL and will never get any of my books!!! There!

twofour

dino · Post by **dino** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:05:38 pm

Heres my take:
I think unkowntales is kinda right and ppl have been a little harsh but I think that there are TONS of threads and discussions about the stories too. b4 the crash the rereading thread was pages and pages deep, i wish u had seen it unknown. thing is valiant is getting big now and the moeny involved is getting ppl talikng so we are talking about the $$

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:08:41 pm

Your not another Ken are you?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:11:21 pm

Alright.....Brother J prolly said it better than I'm about to, but I'll give it a shot, and won't mention anything to do with the market.

It doesn't do anyone any good to complain about what's discussed in a particular thread. Not only does it not do any good, but it's out of line. Every member of this board has the ability to determine what is chatted about, where, and for how long (for the most part.) This board is about anything and everything the MEMBERS decide it's about. Members includes YOU! Unless someone is attacking someone else....just live and let live!

I, personally, have found some threads to be INCREDIBLY dull, because I had no interest in them. Did I go to those threads and say 'why are we always chatting about this? This isn't what this board is about.' No! That would be awful presumptuous of me, wouldn't it?

So...if you find these types of threads dull/boring/offensive/irritating, your task is simple: start your own/contribute to another thread and BE INTERESTING. IGNORE the threads you think aren't 'appropriate' to the boards. Don't sit and complain about what OTHERS want to talk about. BE GLAD they're talking AT ALL! If you think a thread has been derailed, BRING IT BACK on topic, or..start a new one! Every registered member can start any thread they want. If you think a thread is inappropriate to a topic, PM (with the emphasis on the 'P') Greg and ask him to move it. If he does, he does, if he doesn't...let it go, and start your own thread about something that interests YOU!

This board has gone days and DAYS with one or two posts only, and, frankly, I'm a motormouth. I'll talk about anything til I'm blue in the face, but I don't do soliloquys very well when I'm not onstage. I like DIALOGUE, tossing ideas back and forth, sharing from the collective experience of other folks interested in the same things I am.

So YOU can do the same thing. If you're bored by a topic, don't make a post complaining about it. Not only is it tacky, but it crosses the line...it attempts to shame people into NOT talking about what THEY want to talk about. And that's just wrong.

And the only one here with the RIGHT to determine what gets talked about and what doesn't is Greg. Period. And GREG has set VERY WIDE parameters about what may and may not be discussed. No one else should be telling ANYONE what they can, should, must, must not, will not, shall not talk about. It's not your place, it's not my place, and it infringes on the freedom of everyone else to enjoy this place.

So...let's all get along and be as positive as we can be. Bring downs just aren't any fun.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:16:52 pm

I noticed another ebay auction similiar to the high priced Shadowman lot. This one has only issue number 2 from Shadowman Vol.3 and this individual wants $350 dollars for it. Any takers?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 52348&rd=1

greg · Post by **greg** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:13:17 pm

Knightt_333 wrote:How about this then... Make another topic section on the Forum Index. Maybe name it Valiant CGC and other CGC Related Topics ?

Done.

johnpaulbill · Post by **johnpaulbill** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:16:24 pm

I just wanted to put my $.02 in on this one. I won one of the other Shadowman V3 Auctions that just ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MEWN:IT

It had #1-5, and it only cost $9.99. I paid $9 for #6 by itself. Oh, and I found an unmarked variant #1 today for $.50. I just love the hunt. jp

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:55:54 pm

johnpaulbill wrote:I just wanted to put my $.02 in on this one. I won one of the other Shadowman V3 Auctions that just ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MEWN:IT

It had #1-5, and it only cost $9.99. I paid $9 for #6 by itself. Oh, and I found an unmarked variant #1 today for $.50. I just love the hunt. jp

I was going to bid on the books until I looked at the grades and the pictures. I only need NM/Mint at this point.

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